Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP

2006-03-24 Thread Ross Burton
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 12:40 +1100, Maxwell Bowerman wrote: An actual app for DTP is only one aspect though. GNOME would need a colour management system such as ICM or ICC and easy calibration. Calibration isn't easy, ever. It involves pieces of expensive hardware stuck onto the screen and

Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The standard GTK+ colour picker dialog supports taking colours from anywhere on the screen The colour picker dialog is on the list of system-wide things to document in the User Guide, as it has a few hidden features like this.

Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Through we now have Scribus under QT, there is still a notable lack of applications in this area. It would be a lot of work to develop and maintain any fully featured Desktop Publishing software. I'm impressed how Scribus has been sucessful in

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I strongly feel that close sucks for that dialog and that finish is much better. (Which is why I gave one approval to the UI change despite the inconsistency we knew it would introduce; others objected strongly on the consistency

Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP

2006-03-24 Thread Iain *
On 3/24/06, Maxwell Bowerman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly though, a negative. I wish to lobby strongly against the Windows XP-style start menu proposed by Novell: http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=13589comment_id=93581 This appears to be a definite step backwards for us. The

Re: Novell Start menu [was Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP]

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly though, a negative. I wish to lobby strongly against the Windows XP-style start menu proposed by Novell: http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=13589comment_id=93581 This appears to be a definite step backwards for us. The

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:32 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: Whoever put 'Finish' there, knowing full well it would stick out like a sore thumb, needs a good slap. This tone is not acceptable. Please be nice. Fair enough. I apologize. But we

Re: [Usability] GNOME default icons

2006-03-24 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Wed, 2006-03-22 at 12:34 -0800, Bill Wohler wrote: Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 22 Mar 2006, at 16:46, Bill Wohler wrote: Also, there are a dazzling number of icon and desktop themes on the GNOME site, but none are branded Default so I could check for myself. What

Re: Novell Start menu [was Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP]

2006-03-24 Thread Dan Winship
Rodney Dawes wrote: There was no consensus on whether to make it the default in 2.16 or not. Well, that's kind of a weird way of looking it. No one has even proposed *including* it in the release yet. -- Dan ___ Usability mailing list

Re: Novell Start menu [was Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP]

2006-03-24 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 12:34 -0500, Dan Winship wrote: Rodney Dawes wrote: There was no consensus on whether to make it the default in 2.16 or not. Well, that's kind of a weird way of looking it. No one has even proposed *including* it in the release yet. Exactly my point. It is foolish

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-24 Thread Jaap Haitsma
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 16:26 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 21:18 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 17:11 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: Since mute is an orthogonal operation to the volume setting, perhaps the muted icon should continue to show the actual

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consistency is good. Consistency is good. But what is consistent is arguable, and usability should take precedence. No, the two must go hand in hand. Users are quite capable of getting in a tizzy about inconsistencies: why does that pref tool

Re: [Usability] Ellipsis on buttons

2006-03-24 Thread Calum Benson
On 23 Mar 2006, at 18:11, Shaun McCance wrote: We have a love affair with icons alongside text, but we're afraid to let them stand on their own. We even default to icons+text toolbars. We do, and that's simply because numerous usability studies have shown that people find icon+text

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Elijah Newren
On 3/24/06, Joachim Noreiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consistency is good. Consistency is good. But what is consistent is arguable, and usability should take precedence. No, the two must go hand in hand. Telling developers (Rodney in this case)

Re: Novell Start menu [was Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP]

2006-03-24 Thread Alan Horkan
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 02:56 +, Alan Horkan wrote: Yes and no. I have my reservations and since I find Windows XP rather annoying I wouldn't choose that menu layout for myself (I use the Classic style of start menu when I use windows, I always

Re: [Usability] Ellipsis on buttons

2006-03-24 Thread Shaun McCance
On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 19:31 +, Calum Benson wrote: On 23 Mar 2006, at 18:11, Shaun McCance wrote: We have a love affair with icons alongside text, but we're afraid to let them stand on their own. We even default to icons+text toolbars. We do, and that's simply because numerous

Re: [Usability] Ellipsis on buttons

2006-03-24 Thread Shaun McCance
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 20:20 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: --- Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The Help button is a perfect example. Because Apple uses the single ? icon very effectively, they can put it almost anywhere in an interface. Is ? a universally understood symbol? I

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Alan Horkan
On Fri, 24 Mar 2006, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 02:50 +, Alan Horkan wrote: On Sun, 19 Mar 2006, Raphael Bosshard wrote: Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2006 11:49:36 +0100 From: Raphael Bosshard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: usability@gnome.org Subject: [Usability] Finish vs. Close