Re: Synchronizing WAS [Re: [Usability] The ``Replace File'' dialog should display the two]

2005-08-09 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In general, we have two ways of dealing with conflicts a) collect all conflicts and - after copying the rest of the files - provide an UI for resolving them [1] b) stop at the first conflict, but offer an UI for setting how to deal with this

Re: Synchronizing WAS [Re: [Usability] The ``Replace File'' dialog should display the two]

2005-08-10 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Dienstag, den 09.08.2005, 20:57 +0100 schrieb Joachim Noreiko: --- Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: new ways of dealing with conflicts, like: * prefix all moved files with: [ bla-2005 ] I think my second mockup [1] fits very

Re: Synchronizing WAS [Re: [Usability] The ``Replace File'' dialog should display the two]

2005-08-11 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Todd Chambery [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joachim, Looking at your mockup (http://www.geocities.com/philbull_tk/gnome_dlg_mockup.png), it Sorry, I wasn't clear in my previous message. That mockup isn't mine, it's from a previous message in the list. My mockup was submitted to bugzilla

[Usability] Desktop dialog boxes

2005-08-20 Thread Joachim Noreiko
Hi all. I've just filed a bug [1] that involves a dialog box that belongs to the desktop. Something about the way it behaves doesn't seem right. It's listed as a window in the panel's window list for one thing. I was wondering if there's a standard way for desktop dialog boxes to behave. If

Re: [Usability] Dissolving Folders

2005-08-21 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Christian Gentle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The idea behind Dissolving Folders is to allow the user to concurrently acknowledge (or at least be aware of) the contents of a folder and the contents of its sub-directories, without the need for using a Search Command This is a useful

Re: [Usability] Hide the Desktop folder

2005-08-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Julien Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And I also believe that the desktop shortcut should be removed from the places menu in spatial Nautilus (as the desktop shouldn't be viewable twice in spatial Nautilus). Or perhaps the command could reveal the desktop by minimizing all windows?

Re: [Usability] New Pathbar

2005-08-26 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Why should we replace buttons by links? Buttons are way more obvious UI elements. You have to hover text to releveal that it is a link. However, with the current buttons it's not immediately clear that a hierarchy is involved. When I started

Re: [Usability] Hide the Desktop folder

2005-08-27 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Julien Olivier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or perhaps the command could reveal the desktop by minimizing all windows? I'm pretty sure it's been discussed before, and the problem was that hiding all the windows could be a bit unexpected for most users. They might think that

Re: [Usability] New Pathbar

2005-09-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am Freitag, den 26.08.2005, 09:59 +0100 schrieb Joachim Noreiko: What about curving the sides of the buttons, or slanting them (to hint at the slash separator)? This was IMHO included in the file chooser UI proposal. I'm can't find

Re: Usability of terminals [Re: [Usability] Running gnome-terminal as a desktop background]

2005-09-17 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Command lines are very powerful interfaces, and can be used to achieve many tasks simply, quickly and efficiently. For ordinary use, command lines could offer a lot of benefits to a user. How come Gnome terminal doesn't have that feature

Re: [Usability] Default document formats

2005-09-22 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Vidar Braut Haarr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You didn't read the manual, I didn't read the manual. Noone reads the manual. Actually, I do read the manual :) Maybe not from cover to cover, but I do frequently click on the Help button in dialogs. But I'm currently working on my mac, which

Re: [Usability] Re: Bluescreens

2005-09-22 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- michael chang [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If, in any case, a Application is frozen, I should always restart my computer (although if the rest of the system responds, I do this nicely) -- no exceptions. Simple as that. I would rather not have to do that. One of the great things about OS

Re: [Usability] Bluescreens

2005-09-22 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Hynek Hanke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No! CTRL-ALT-BACKSPACE is useful also when * there is no graphic output on the display * graphic output on the display is messed up (bad resolution etc.) * Gnome is in some wird state when it is not even

Re: [Usability] Mail clients put the Subject field in the wrong place

2005-09-23 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2005/9/19, Matthew Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I'd also put the recipient fields underneath the message body, on the grounds that sometimes you're not sure exactly who a message is appropriate for until you've finished it. What I think are the

Re: [Usability] GDM

2005-10-11 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Sven Jaborek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi! At the moment the login in gdm works exactly like the one on tty, i like this consistency! name, enter; password, enter - thats not to difficult for people. Hitting enter in the username field should accept the username switch focus to the

Re: [Usability] Gnome button ordering

2005-10-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Eric Larson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's done this way so that the button you're most likely to want to select is at the bottom right corner of the window. It seems a bit odd if you've been using Windows for years (as many buttons end up backwards), but after a while of using it,

Re: [Usability] A (rather long) list of GNOME usability issues

2005-10-17 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Matthew Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Clickthrough is a mess in Mac OS X I would agree with that assessment! Finder: - click in 'empty space' - focus immediately - click on object - focus on release, and select object - click and drag to current app - don't focus - click on widgets -

Re: [Usability] New Add to panel dialog

2005-10-20 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Manu Cornet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: * The applet list is now two-dimensionnal (icons and text are put on a 2D canvas). * Applets are organized into categories. very nice. looks a little like OS X's system preferences. I think I heard that there's a gnome preferences application

Re: [Usability] Negating checkbox labels

2005-10-30 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Dominique Würtz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: often you have a bunch of checkboxes of which some have affirming labels (make backup when saving) and some negating labels (don't show splash screen on startup) (sorry, don't know if these are the correct english terms). This leads to

Re: [Usability] Negating checkbox labels

2005-11-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is general advice elsewhere about using positive labels (Show rather than Hide, other things like that). If I recall correctly it is relatively early in the guidelines. I've searched through my local copy of the HIG with grep, and the online

Re: [Usability] Re: New Add to panel dialog

2005-11-02 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Estradin Solaris [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's not crazy. Too many applets look awful. Look at the tray of any windows desktop... Full of useless applets nobody ever uses. Mac OS X tends to this too: when you have airport, fast user switching, bluetooth, time date, spotlight, adium,

[Usability] keyboard shortcut for Find Previous

2005-11-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
While we're on the subject of shortcuts for finding... A number of apps let the user go back as well as forward in the document when searching. (eg Firefox, Yelp) The HIG has CTRL-G for 'Find Next'. I noticed on Open Usability that there's a text editor, Scribes, that provides a shortcut for

Re: [Usability] The new shrinked/expanded save as dialog

2005-12-04 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- BJörn Lindqvist [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My problem with it is that it it consistently forces me to click on Browse for other folders each and every time I want to Save as I would suggest that the dialog remember whether it is expanded or not, either across the whole system, or

Re: [Usability] (no subject)

2005-12-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Josue Farde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: to make it more friendly and aceptable to everybody there is a need to change the graphics. They look old and 'taky', for the user to have a better feelling when using gnome, gnome needs to to heve a more modern look. To be usable, controls do

Re: [Usability] Escape Closing Dialog

2005-12-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: However I am also unclear on the rationale behind this. When I hit Esc I want to escape, and to stop, cancel or close the current dialog in the safest most non destructive manner possible. Yes, I think there's a good case for Esc being a shortcut

Re: [Usability] Escape Closing Dialog

2005-12-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, one reason to care is that Close and Cancel buttons do the complete opposite of each other (keep my changes vs. discard my changes), But they don't do the opposite. If there is a Close button, then the changes in the dialog have already been

Re: [Usability] Re: Escape Closing Dialog

2005-12-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Op Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:41:57 +, schreef Joachim Noreiko: Yes, I think there's a good case for Esc being a shortcut for the Close button, as well as CTRL-W. Just a nitpick, but you probably mean Alt+F4 instead of Ctrl+W here

[Usability] Link to Glossary in the HIG

2005-12-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From a documentation perspective, please don't. If we want to develop desktop-neutral guidelines with other projects, great. But people who are reading the HIG shouldn't have to bounce back and forth between two documents. While we're on this

Re: [Usability] Better look Re: (no subject)

2005-12-15 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Josue Farde [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: there is another BIG problem with gnome at the moment that i have experienced, after instalation and after being st up gnome does not work very well when it comes to pass the image into the screen, i've been experiencing lots of problems,like lines

Re: [Usability] Re: [Desktop_architects] Printing dialog and GNOME (Summit mockups)

2005-12-17 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Michael Sweet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can download the source code and see an animated image of the dialog at: http://www.easysw.com/~mike/ui/pddemo.html I'm just going by the animated image, but it looks good. A possible contender in the wider 'tabs are evil' debate? Some

[Usability] Saving to open Nautilus windows

2005-12-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
One criticism levelled at the current File save dialog is that it's not very useful in its collapsed form. The folders it suggests aren't necessarily the ones you want. Another idea that's been floating around is that there should be an action that lets you save to an open Nautilus window. The

Re: [Usability] gnome-terminal shortcuts

2005-12-23 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Olav Vitters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Dec 23, 2005 at 11:32:16PM +0100, Tomasz Janowitz wrote: I have a question regarding gnome-terminal shortcuts, namely: what are the 'shift's standing for ? Wouldn't it be easier to have them as in other apps ? 'ctrl+t' - new tab,

Re: [Usability] gnome-terminal shortcuts

2005-12-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It still violates the HIG though. Hmm I've always seen the HIG as something designed to make user interfaces more intuitive. So, I find your claims about a tool designed almost completely for efficiency and power over intuitiveness

Re: [Usability] gnome-terminal shortcuts

2005-12-27 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - use the 'open' command to launch an app or document as if I double-clicked it You can use gnome-open for that. Ah, I didn't know that. Longer to type though. - drag icons from the file manager to command line input That works with the GNOME

[Usability] Right-alignment of labels

2005-12-30 Thread Joachim Noreiko
Whether to right-align text labels was recently a topic of discusssion here. [1] Was a decision taken on this in the end? I ask because the proposed changes to the Nautilus file properties dialog switch the labels from right-aligned to left-aligned. [2] [1]

Re: [Usability] Reasoning behind default panel setup?

2006-01-11 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- David Tenser [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Again, this should be a discussion about merging two small, mostly empty panels into a single one. I'd like to hear opinions primarily about that, and secondarily about the specific details in _my_ particular suggestion. The fundamental problem I

Re: [Usability] Saving to open Nautilus windows

2006-01-12 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2005-12-19 at 11:54 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: One criticism levelled at the current File save dialog is that it's not very useful in its collapsed form. The folders it suggests aren't necessarily the ones you want. Another

Re: [Usability] Splash screens and startup notification

2006-01-18 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So only a few people interested in heavily branding their product actually want splash screens, Bluefish, gimp, OpenOffice that I can think of all use them. users dont want them and startup notification covers any technical excuse there might have

Re: [Usability] know how needed

2006-01-27 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Sven Jaborek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i wonder if its possible to show sudo'ed applications with different gtk/metacity themes. The target is to get users attention. Anyone here who knows about metacity and can tell if this mockup would be possible?

Re: [Usability] know how needed

2006-01-27 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Liam R E Quin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-01-27 at 14:58 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: There is actually a bug in gksudo currently: if you choose a theme that is installed in your home folder, sudo'd applications fallback to the default GTK theme. I believe

Re: [Usability] Go/Send buttons

2006-02-03 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Tomasz Janowitz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GNOME has the utterly stupid middle-click paste feature which means for most users, that the 'select something, then paste to replace it' idiom simply doesn't work. So pasting URLs is likely not very common. How would the middle-click

Re: [Usability] Re: Save Icon

2006-02-04 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Daniel F Moisset [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Then why not an arrow going into a folder icon? What concerns me about that is that the silhouette of the icon might look very similar to the Open icon, which is also a folder.

Re: [Usability] Environment project from scratch

2006-02-05 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Sven Jaborek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You wrote you are not a programmer or developer, well as the words open source explain, its all about source that has to be written by someone. Therefore programmers start projects. But good luck! That would go a long way towards explaining why so

Re: [Usability] Re: gparted usability

2006-02-08 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I skimmed trough it and a lot of 'reviewing' is done based on outdated screenshots. As the author and maintainer of gparted i'm very open to usability advice, so maybe we can pick up this discussion again? The big problem with GParted is that

Re: [Usability] gparted usability (new)

2006-02-10 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- John Keller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On the other hand, there does seem to be some sort of weird logic to the layout: My 512 MB flash drive is exactly one half the view's width, while my 120 GB hard drive is 100%. Another, external hard drive is about 90% the width of the view. The

Re: [Usability] Save Icon

2006-02-14 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Diego Moya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a pen writing on a paper sheet? A pen writing on a hardisk makes no sense. The problem I see with arrow-in-a-hard-disk is that non-geek people have no idea at all how a harddisk looks (or even what it is - they usually call it the

Re: [Usability] Menu item in SJ

2006-02-18 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You can't submit in iTunes, I see a menu item in iTunes 'submit CD track names'. Currently greyed out, but I don't have a CD in... and they use the commercial Gracenote CDDB service. I refuse to support FreeDB as it's data is utter pants. Is

Re: [Usability] Advanced button?

2006-02-18 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alexey Rusakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: On Feb 17, 2006, at 4:21 AM, Alexey Rusakov wrote: Thomas Winwood wrote: GNOME has the image in the Linux community of being simplistic or featureless due to its preference not to add an option for

Re: [Usability] Requesting mini-UI review for Epiphany toolbar patch

2006-02-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi guys, A new way of showing/hiding individual toolbars was introduced in this release cycle of Epiphany. We've found that the UI for this still has some rough edges that we would like to polish, but because we're in UI and string

Re: [Usability] Requesting mini-UI review for Epiphany toolbar patch

2006-02-20 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Simon Howard [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think these are before and after the patch was applied. i.e. the before pictures are how the Epiphany menus previously appeared, and the after pictures are how they appear now. Yes, that's what I understood too. But whether pre- or post-patch,

[Usability] initiating internet connections

2006-02-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
This is a problem I had with my ADSL modem, and I've just spoken to someone on IRC with a similar problem with a modem. There doesn't seem to be a way to get GNOME to automatically connect to the internet when required, eg when requesting a url in a browser. You have to go via the network

[Usability] Screensaver and idle time

2006-03-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
This is something that cropped up in the recent UI reviews we did. The gnome-screensaver has a control Set session as idle after..., which sets the session idle time. It doesn't necessarily start the screensaver after this time, you need to also check a box: Set session as idle after:

Re: [Usability] Screensaver and idle time

2006-03-02 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- William Jon McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joachim, Joachim Noreiko wrote: [snip] This caused us a number of headaches in the UI review, and the more I think about it, the more illogical it seems, for a number of reasons. My recollection was that the difficulty

Re: [Usability] File Permission User Interface: Feedback Requested

2006-03-07 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Christian Neumair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear usability list, I'd appreciate if some of you could comment on the permissions user interface proposed under [1]. Thanks in advance! [1] http://blogs.gnome.org/view/cneumair/2006/03/06/0 Looks good. But I wonder: could this be

Re: [Usability] A few questions about mouse pointers

2006-03-11 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Bastien Nocera [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-11 at 17:46 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: * can the user do anything with the mouse while the busy pointer is shown? Depends which one. GDK_WATCH no, that's the one I meant. thanks. the one with the pointer still showing

[Usability] Describing actions

2006-03-12 Thread Joachim Noreiko
Is there anything in the HIG about describing actions in general rather than specific terms? Eg, for label text, having Run executable text files when they are opened instead of Run executable text files when they are double-clicked -- because a user might open a file with the menu command, or

Re: [Usability] Describing actions

2006-03-12 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Kalle Vahlman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (BTW, the actual label says Run executable text files when they are clicked. I've filed a bug.) ...this is valid in my case (I don't use double-click anywhere where I can avoid it). But not in the default gnome setup. Say 'open' and it works

Re: [Usability] What is the name of this menu?

2006-03-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would suggest we strip the old and unused Main Menu of its name, and use it for this: http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=331459 Some of us don't use the double panel setup, so I'd be reluctant to reuse that bit of terminology just yet.

Re: [Usability] What is the name of this menu?

2006-03-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Joachim Noreiko wrote: Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 14:12:27 + (GMT) From: Joachim Noreiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Gnome usability usability@gnome.org Subject: Re: [Usability] What

Re: [Usability] What is the name of this menu?

2006-03-13 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 13 Mar 2006, Joachim Noreiko wrote: current Gnome defaults. IIRC there is a main menu applet which is different from and more extensive than the foot+Applications menu, which might still need the term you want to use. Yes

Re: [Usability] Closing windows with doubleclick

2006-03-14 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I dont know the answer to your question but perhaps someone else on this list will know. I have seen this issue mentioned on the Ubuntu wiki, but I don't know if there's been any discussion of it on Gnome. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UsabilityWishlist

Re: [Usability] Closing windows with doubleclick

2006-03-16 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Epiphany with 15 tabs open. Press the window manager close button and *poof* all gone. File a bug. ;) I *hate* accidentally hitting Ctrl-W when typing into a web form. This is why I don't have the window icon button but have Close on the left

Re: [Usability] Re: Closing windows with doubleclick

2006-03-17 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As ideally Epiphany doesn't get started every day so it's not unusual for me to open a tab in Ephy on Monday and not get around to closing it until Friday I worry how much global warming GNOME developers are responsible for...

Re: [Usability] Screensaver and idle time

2006-03-18 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- William Jon McCann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Joachim and Matthew, Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: On Mar 8, 2006, at 8:01 AM, Joachim Noreiko wrote: ... I have been giving this some more thought. For the idle time label, how about one of: Treat the computer as idle after

Re: [Usability] The use of ellipsis (...) in menus

2006-03-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
I've always been aware of the ellipsis on menus. --- Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The definition is quite clear and is in the HIG: http://developer.gnome.org/projects/gup/hig/2.0/menus-design.html * Label the menu item with a trailing ellipsis (...) only if the command

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Jaap Haitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there aren't any other people who feel like me that there should be a 0 icon to represent, I'm happy to go with your suggested improvement that the 0% volume is shown as low instead of muted as it is now. I agree with you entirely. 0 is a

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The icon makes absolutely no sense. There's no reason to have a single icon for 1/101 values, and 3 others for 33.33../100 values each. And by your argument that a single ) is not representative of the 0% level, the same can be said for no ), as

[Usability] Mouse actions

2006-03-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
Another vocab question: The User Guide section 'Basic Skills' lists things it calls 'Mouse actions': click, double-click, drag, etc. But then it says: You can perform the following actions with the mouse: Left mouse button * Select text. * Select items. * Drag items.

Re: [Usability] Selection vs. selected text

2006-03-21 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Yevgen Muntyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I understand very well that this mode is just wrong for those who like/believes current GTK behavior is correct, and what I really would love to hear is what people think about ability to have multiple selections. I've just tried this with Gedit

[Usability] Updating the HIG

2006-03-21 Thread Joachim Noreiko
I saw Callum's edits to the wiki page on the HIG and it's reminded me of something I've been meaning to ask for a while: How do we update the HIG? In the months I've been on this list there have been several topics where there was a consensus that something should be added to the HIG. (The matter

[Usability] Our approach to GUI design

2006-03-21 Thread Joachim Noreiko
Shortly before the 2.14 release I took part in a few usability reviews on IRC. In the last couple of weeks, I've seen a few screenshots of work in progress on new applications or tools. In all occasions, fairly basic mistakes in GUI design have leapt out at me within seconds: why is that label

Re: [Usability] Selection vs. selected text

2006-03-22 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Yevgen Muntyan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Shaun McCance wrote: Honestly, this behavior is viciously annoying. I do use PRIMARY a lot, and I usually smack people whenever they advocate dropping it. Well, folks on gtk-devel-list seem to have different opinion about this ;) This

[Usability] Ellipsis on buttons

2006-03-23 Thread Joachim Noreiko
How do I describe a button that only says '...' ? Eg, in the Keyboard prefs, Layouts tab. Ccing to the usability list -- does the HIG say anything about this? Should it? ___ Win a BlackBerry device from O2 with Yahoo!.

Re: [Usability] Ellipsis on buttons

2006-03-23 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Shaun McCance [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: These are largely what I was referring to, as well as some of the icons in iTunes: http://kwc.org/blog/archives/desktop.itunes.jpg You know, I'm so used to those I didn't think of them. (What is that a shot of, by the way? It's not OS X but

Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Ross Burton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The standard GTK+ colour picker dialog supports taking colours from anywhere on the screen The colour picker dialog is on the list of system-wide things to document in the User Guide, as it has a few hidden features like this.

Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Through we now have Scribus under QT, there is still a notable lack of applications in this area. It would be a lot of work to develop and maintain any fully featured Desktop Publishing software. I'm impressed how Scribus has been sucessful in

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Personally, I strongly feel that close sucks for that dialog and that finish is much better. (Which is why I gave one approval to the UI change despite the inconsistency we knew it would introduce; others objected strongly on the consistency

Re: Novell Start menu [was Re: [Usability] Thoughts on GNOME and DTP]

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Firstly though, a negative. I wish to lobby strongly against the Windows XP-style start menu proposed by Novell: http://www.osnews.com/permalink.php?news_id=13589comment_id=93581 This appears to be a definite step backwards for us. The

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Murray Cumming [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 2006-03-24 at 09:32 +, Joachim Noreiko wrote: Whoever put 'Finish' there, knowing full well it would stick out like a sore thumb, needs a good slap. This tone is not acceptable. Please be nice. Fair enough. I apologize. But we

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-24 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Consistency is good. Consistency is good. But what is consistent is arguable, and usability should take precedence. No, the two must go hand in hand. Users are quite capable of getting in a tizzy about inconsistencies: why does that pref tool

[Usability] Keyboard prefs, layouts tab

2006-03-25 Thread Joachim Noreiko
I'm working on updating the user guide for this preference tool, and there's a few things I'd like your opinion on. Is 'Selected Layouts' a good choice of label? I'm about to write'To remove a layout, select it and press Remove'. But hang on... they're *all* selected, they're called Selected

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-27 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And why does it say wallpaper anyway? Is the style guide not clear enough? wallpaper: Do not use this term. Use the term desktop background. There were dissenting voices at the time, but at the end of the day, the maintainer gets the

Re: [Usability] Finish vs. Close in gnome-control-center dialogs

2006-03-27 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Point-in-case. Microsoft doesn't use the term Wallpaper in their config dialog either. The tab in the Display Properties is titled Desktop, and the label for the list is titled Background:. So, no, it isn't just following Microsoft. Egad! I

Re: [Usability] New launcher edition dialog

2006-03-29 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Vincent Untz [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you prefer the dialog we have in nautilus? (right-click on .desktop file in nautilus) We could work to use this one everywhere, but I find the dialog really bloated for editing a launcher on the panel. I agree that it's bloated, but I wish

Re: [Usability] Re: New launcher edition dialog

2006-03-30 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Reinout van Schouwen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, maybe a lightbulb tip could be shown that users can drag pictures to the icon field. It's best to avoid putting documentation in the interface. (There's a note in the HIG about this.) When this dialog is implemented, I'm sure Vincent

Re: [Usability] Embedded help works better than standalone help

2006-03-31 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (I guess this reality is unfortunate from a documentation writer's point of view, because it means you need to spend more time crafting helpful sentences and posting them in Bugzilla, and less time crafting helpful paragraphs and

Re: [Usability] Keyboard prefs, layouts tab

2006-04-02 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 29, 2006, at 7:47 PM, Joachim Noreiko wrote: --- Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Absolutely. What is the list for? Windows has a list labelled Installed keyboard languages and layouts. I can kind of understand

Re: [Usability] Keyboard prefs, layouts tab

2006-04-03 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Matthew Paul Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Apr 2, 2006, at 9:09 PM, Joachim Noreiko wrote: ... The layouts selection dialog shows you the diagram of the keyboard. This has problems of its own: the dialog is as big as it can be, but the diagram is too small to be useful

Re: [Usability] Idea for HIG: Ctrl+W to close active tab, if no tabs close window

2006-04-07 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/7/06, Calum Benson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It's certainly infuriating to close the last tab in a window in preparation for starting a new document, only to realise that you then need to go and launch the application again first.

Re: [Usability] Idea for HIG: Ctrl+W to close active tab, if no tabs close window

2006-04-08 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/8/06, Joachim Noreiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- Tommi Komulainen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find it infuriating to close a document and still have some useless shell I never asked for to remain hanging around. But you

Re: [Usability] GNOME and Hardware Detection

2006-04-08 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Sarah Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Whilst hardware detection is beyond the scope of this forum, cnetralising all hardware in a infomration program like KInfoCenter is extremely convenient nad provides a wealth of knowledge in a central location. A dial-up tool that automatically can

Re: [Usability] Usability and Various Topaz Concept Designs

2006-04-10 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Sarah Berry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could this be applied in a release in the near future? Making the applications ego-less, as the author calls it, would be a further step towards making developers think fo the end goals of the software and the tasks we users perform:

Re: [Usability] Alacarte UI

2006-04-25 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Travis Watkins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, The current alacarte UI [1] mixes application and dialog interfaces. I'd like to make it a dialog but that seems to make adding features like undo/redo and cut/copy/paste impossible. CTRL Z, CTRL SHIFT Z, CTRL X,C,V. You can expect your

Re: [Usability] Theme Instant Apply

2006-04-30 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could anyone give me some advice on bug 149323 (HIG issues with Theme Preferences). The issue is that the theme manager often takes longer than one second to apply a theme, so therefore it should not be instant apply. Would it be acceptable to

Re: [Usability] Re: New UI for gnome-about-me capplet

2006-05-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Diego González [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Clicking on the Address book card would show a dialog very simmilar to the current evolution new contact dialog. What do you think about this new UI? how can it be improved? If the GNOME standard

Re: [Usability] New UI for gnome-about-me capplet

2006-05-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Alan Horkan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If I were on slashdot I might use 'insensative clod' cliche since not everyone has a job (or cares enough about it to fill in that information) The texts of the two labels don't really match. Either 'Home' 'Work' or 'Personal' 'Professional' I'd

Re: [Usability] Usability Issues in Theme Manager

2006-05-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Thomas Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a few bug reports I'm not sure how to resolve: Bug 331835 [1] - Missing maximize button (in Theme Preferences) I think what the reporter really wants is a 'smart resize' button like Mac OS has had for years. But we don't have that... I

Re: [Usability] Re: New UI for gnome-about-me capplet

2006-05-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Bill Wohler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joachim Noreiko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 'Automatic Save Every Five Minutes' makes me feel like I'm being shouted out, or at best, e-nun-cia-ted to like I'm a bit slow. It does, however, allow you to use it in a sentence without quoting

Re: [Usability] Usability Issues in Theme Manager

2006-05-01 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2006-05-01 at 11:51 +0100, Thomas Wood wrote: So definitely should be fixed? I could never see any use case for having the capplet open multiple times, so if it gets the approval of the usability team, then I will make sure it is

Re: [Usability] Resizability of windows

2006-05-04 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Elijah Newren [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (Also, a special type for splash screens makes a _lot_ of sense -- they need special handling too such as no window decorations, don't give them focus, place them centered onscreen, don't allow them to be closed/shaded/resized/moved, don't put

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