Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-24 Thread Jaap Haitsma
On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 16:26 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Thu, 2006-03-23 at 21:18 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 17:11 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: Since mute is an orthogonal operation to the volume setting, perhaps the muted icon should continue to show the actual

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-23 Thread Jaap Haitsma
On Mon, 2006-03-20 at 17:11 -0600, Shaun McCance wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 19:57 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: Hi, Current behavior There are 5 icons in GNOME to show the volume of an audio card stock_volume-mute: A speaker with a red X stock_volume-0: A

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-20 Thread Shaun McCance
On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 19:57 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: Hi, Current behavior There are 5 icons in GNOME to show the volume of an audio card stock_volume-mute: A speaker with a red X stock_volume-0: A speaker with no sound waves stock_volume-min: A speaker with one

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-19 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 18:30 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: Wanting to set the volume to a level so that you do not hear is a special case. Just wanting to set volume lower isn't. The term for this special case is mute not 0. I was not arguing that simply wanting to lower the volume was a special

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Jaap Haitsma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there aren't any other people who feel like me that there should be a 0 icon to represent, I'm happy to go with your suggested improvement that the 0% volume is shown as low instead of muted as it is now. I agree with you entirely. 0 is a

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-19 Thread Joachim Noreiko
--- Rodney Dawes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The icon makes absolutely no sense. There's no reason to have a single icon for 1/101 values, and 3 others for 33.33../100 values each. And by your argument that a single ) is not representative of the 0% level, the same can be said for no ), as

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-18 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 19:57 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: Hi, Conclusion What do the usability people think of this?? stock_volume-0 is the worst icon ever. What exactly does 0 mean, when you have your volume set to 24%? The optimal behavior would be to restore the volume to where

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-18 Thread Jaap Haitsma
On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 14:33 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 19:57 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: Hi, Conclusion What do the usability people think of this?? stock_volume-0 is the worst icon ever. What exactly does 0 mean, when you have your volume set to 24%?

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-18 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 21:57 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: On Sat, 2006-03-18 at 14:33 -0500, Rodney Dawes wrote: I don't see why the 0 icon is the worst icon ever. I agree if it isn't used properly like in the case you describe it's not good. That was even one the reasons that I filed bug [1].

Re: [Usability] Mute in GNOME mixer applet does not have correct behavior

2006-03-18 Thread Rodney Dawes
On Sun, 2006-03-19 at 00:16 +0100, Jaap Haitsma wrote: 1. Display mute icon if mute button is active 2. Show volume level if mute is not active. This is basically the same thing I said in my last mail, which was to remove the special casing of 0, and make it use the -low volume icon. In other