Re: Printing

2002-10-11 Thread Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
At 1:35 PM -0700 10/9/2002, Jeff Morrison wrote: I'm looking at both REALbasic and Revolution and I'm pretty sure I've just discovered a huge problem with REALbasic, and I'm curious if Revolution suffers from the same issue. Printing. RB printing seems to be very, very, very tedious, requiring

Re: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
At 1:16 AM -0700 10/10/2002, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: I believe it would be in your best interest as the creators of the tools to reference Rev/MC's ability to display *HTML source* and not the rendered HTML pages that folks see in a Web browser. Um... but it

Re: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
At 9:06 AM -0700 10/10/2002, Dar Scott wrote: [htmlText] (I don't understand the motivation for the current whitespace handling. It might be so get returns what you put, but I am missing the value of that.) The main initial motivation for adding the htmlText property, as I understand it, was to

player language

2002-10-11 Thread Nicholas Thieberger
I am trying to figure out how to specify the languaage of a QT movie. QT has two language specifications it seems, one is of the movie, and the other is of the text track that accompanies it. In HC I could just say set the language of movie X to French and it worked. But not so in RR. Does anyone

Re: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Jim Biancolo
At 07:19 PM 10/10/2002 -0700, Richard Gaskin wrote: What are the advantages of putting a browser inside on your app's window? What sort of apps are you folks making? Hi Richard, Specifically, I was thinking about building a news aggregator in RR, and a true browser control would be very

Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Rob Cozens
For me, (and recall I'm not a professional developer), there is a difference between apps that all look identical (which is what everything done in VB tends to be) and apps which merely leverage a previously-learned UI, consistent adherence to which is often touted as a learning advantage. Judy,

Re: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Dar Scott
On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 12:43 AM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: The main initial motivation for adding the htmlText property, as I understand it, was to provide a method of storing and transporting styled text. So it's important that set the htmlText of field X to the htmlText of field

Unexpectadly quits

2002-10-11 Thread Timothy Hart
When I highlight 3 objects, copy them, paste them, click off the highlight, then try to move an obeject around again Revolution always quits on me. I am in OS X. ANy one have any similar problems with stability? -Tim ___ use-revolution

Re: name of a new group

2002-10-11 Thread Ken Ray
Sylvain, You can do this: set the name of last group to MyGroupName Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ - Original Message - From: Sylvain Le Gourriérec [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, October 11,

Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Rob Cozens
Kevin, et al: Geoff Perlman posted this on the RB mailing list, raising some good points which I thought I should reply to I think Geoff missed the point entirely: His issues are trivial compared to (and I'm speaking in general, not just RB vs RR): Can I translate the design concept in my

Re: Unexpectadly quits

2002-10-11 Thread Simon Forster
On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 04:23 PM, Timothy Hart wrote: ANy one have any similar problems with stability? Well, I'm happy to pass on the little bit of info I picked up from the list 48 hours ago! Go to View - Look and Feel. Select Mac OS Emulated. You have to do this every time you

Re: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Dan Shafer
At 9:26 PM -0400 10/10/02, Richard Gaskin wrote: Jim Biancolo wrote: I agree that an embedded rendering engine would be a killer feature. I'v gotten so accustmed to using the browser as a helper app that I think I'm missing something: What are the advantages of putting a browser inside on

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Gary Rathbone
Jim Biancolo wrote: I agree that an embedded rendering engine would be a killer feature. Embedded or higly integrated ? --snip-- Dan Shafer wrote : I see lots of opportunity out there to create apps like this that display rendered and interactive HTML in a pane with supplemental controls

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Jim Biancolo
At 07:38 PM 10/11/2002 +0100, you wrote: I agree that an embedded rendering engine would be a killer feature. Embedded or higly integrated ? --snip-- There's no reason why you can't currently use rev as your control panel and a browser as your display mechanism with the users monitor as the

Re: Numeric field

2002-10-11 Thread mark mitchell
Hi Jan, Thanks for reiterating all the bases you're covering. I thought it might be something like that. It's amazing how difficult it is to develop for the 'widest' user-base, isn't it? I did accomplish something similar to what you are doing using the starter-kit before though. To

Speech on XP

2002-10-11 Thread curry
This is a two-part question: First, does the speech external work on Windows XP? I assumed it doesn't, because the site for MS Speech only mentions up to W2K for the SAPI. But I don't have XP yet to try it. (If it does, I would be very happy to hear that and sorry for the wrong assumption,

Re: Numeric field

2002-10-11 Thread Jan Schenkel
--- mark mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Jan, Thanks for reiterating all the bases you're covering. I thought it might be something like that. It's amazing how difficult it is to develop for the 'widest' user-base, isn't it? I did accomplish something similar to what you are

Re: Numeric field

2002-10-11 Thread yves COPPE
And after the numeric fields, date fields and other special-format fields (think X-999-XXX/999) are in the works, and will be made available through the user contributions in a Template Fields stack when I get it all finished. Best regards, Jan Schenkel. jan I'm waiting for your template

Conforming UI (was:REALbasic vs. Revolution)

2002-10-11 Thread Kurt Kaufman
Ray Bennett wrote: Kurt - can you give us an idea of what sort of users you had? Were they random public folks or folks from a specific walk of life (such as engineers, math teachers, lawyers, accountants)? Just curious because we're in the middle of several UI considerations for a

name of a new group

2002-10-11 Thread Sylvain Le Gourriérec
hello, how can I name a group dynamically created? e.g. create button "myButton_1" create button "myButton_2" group button "myButton_1" and button "myButton_2" - how can I give it a name ? thanks

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Gary Rathbone
Jim, Clicking on a message in the subjects pane and having it fire up an external browser would be too kludgey, IMO. Personally, as long as it did what I wanted it to do, however complex, then I wouldn't really mind if it involved a number of integrated seemless apps. But maybe this is a

Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Lorin Rivers
On 10/10/02 8:26 PM, curry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The question of RB vs. Rev is interesting and is getting more so, not less. The main reason I'm still interested in RB is its potential for 3D. That's the only place where Rev doesn't offer anything. The main difference for me is that I

Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Lorin Rivers
On 10/11/02 11:01 AM, Rob Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: For me, (and recall I'm not a professional developer), there is a difference between apps that all look identical (which is what everything done in VB tends to be) and apps which merely leverage a previously-learned UI, consistent

URGENT SUPPORTED USER restriction license

2002-10-11 Thread Sylvain Le Gourriérec
here comes my actual license : Name: eric jamesOrganization: Son Video DistributionKey: 1032-8867816-1324034-56178815865636135353432-25680Number of Licenses: 1 note that is the second license you sent me. first was : Name: eric james Organisation: Son Video Distribution No. of

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Jim Biancolo
At 09:36 PM 10/11/2002 +0100, Gary Rathbone wrote: But maybe this is a Windows bias . . . I'm a bit more used to having my apps self-contained. Those few times I've had the opportunity to work on Macs I've found it disconcerting to have the menu floating off detached from the working area of its

Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread David Vaughan
On Saturday, Oct 12, 2002, at 00:50 Australia/Sydney, Rob Cozens wrote: For me, (and recall I'm not a professional developer), there is a difference between apps that all look identical (which is what everything done in VB tends to be) and apps which merely leverage a previously-learned UI,

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Gary Rathbone
At 09:36 PM 10/11/2002 +0100, Gary Rathbone wrote: So that fact that the functional units are contained within a single window/frame/pane gives the comforting perception/illusion of an integration application ? I fear we're starting to stray off-topic for the list... Fair point. But when many

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Dan Shafer
At 4:41 PM -0400 10/11/02, Gary Rathbone wrote: Dan Shafer wrote : I see lots of opportunity out there to create apps like this that display rendered and interactive HTML in a pane with supplemental controls and an improved UI embodied in the desktop app. In fact, I think this represents an

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Gary Rathbone
Dan, There's no reason why you can't currently use rev as your control panel and a browser as your display mechanism with the users monitor as the pane. I understand the use of multiple interacting applications. I just don't think the solution is elegant. Rather it seems to me have emerged from

Re: Anyone know how to prevent this type mismatch error?

2002-10-11 Thread RGould8
Sarah - - - thanks so much for this script. I've hit one stumbling block that's keeping it from running, and no one seems to know how to fix it - - - was wondering if someone on this list might: The problem is with this line: if (class of configuration i of config) is (TCPIP v4 configuration)

Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Richard Gaskin
Rob Cozens wrote: How rich is the framework provided? The vendor can only supply so much functionality. After that, you're going to want a rich set of third-party plug-ins to choose from. Which environment provides this? As a publisher of commercial software, I prefer to create my own

Re: Anyone know how to prevent this type mismatch error?

2002-10-11 Thread Ken Ray
Rob, What version of AppleScript/Mac OS are you using? It is possible that this configuration didn't work properly in earlier versions... The reason I say that is that since I was the original poster of the AppleScript (to which Sarah added her valuable additions), and it worked for me on an

RE: How real is the embedded web-page technique?

2002-10-11 Thread Jim Biancolo
At 11:07 PM 10/11/2002 +0100, Gary Rathbone wrote: Thanks Jim, as you suggested we're straying off-topic, so I'll leave you to have the last word (if you wish...) Thanks for the interesting thread Gary (and other participants). Having too much fun to quit now, so you can have the last word if

OT Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Troy Rollins
On 10/11/02 8:26 PM, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - What's wrong with the language such that a completely separate API in needed for plugins? I Rev/MC we can trade groups and other native objects without needing to treat them as second-class citizens. Personally, I think this

Scrolling Objects

2002-10-11 Thread Mike Doub
What is the best way to implement a list of objects that are scrollable. I have a need to scroll a list of groups that are made up of a text field grouped with a few graphical elements. Is there some way to attach an obect to a scrollable text field? Is there another object designed for

RE: Scrolling Objects

2002-10-11 Thread Monte Goulding
Group the groups into one big group then open the properties palette then check Vertical Scrollbar on the Group tab. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:use-revolution-admin;lists.runrev.com]On Behalf Of Mike Doub Sent: Saturday, 12 October 2002 11:04 AM To: [EMAIL

Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Ken Ray
Lorin, I haven't said much in this debate because usually it's a matter of personal preference. Many people find VB very easy to use; others find it foreign or difficult. Some find Rev easy, others find it not so easy. There are so many factors involved (amount of programming background, tools

Re: OT Re: REALbasic vs. Revolution

2002-10-11 Thread Alex Rice
On Friday, October 11, 2002, at 07:25 PM, Troy Rollins wrote: My point is, until RunRev makes it possible - it ain't possible. Stacks with some transcript embedded in them may be handy-dandy work savers, but they're not adding any real new capabilities. I wouldn't even call them plugins

Re: Scrolling Objects

2002-10-11 Thread Ken Ray
Mike, Use a group object and turn on its vertical scrolling property. You can group the groups, and after you apply the scrollbar, it becomes a scrolling region in and of itself. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ - Original