RE: [ANN] Reminder - online scripting conferences

2005-04-30 Thread Judy Perry
Uhhh... It's only 11 pm local time now. I don't think that's quite right. No fair making me even more sleepless!!! Judy On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, MisterX wrote: you can login now ;) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com

RE: [ANN] Reminder - online scripting conferences

2005-04-30 Thread Judy Perry
And, why am I even receiving this? WiFi rules... (beats watching 'The Incredibles' for the x-hundredth time ;-) ) I don't know which I've seen more... this or Nemo. Judy On Sat, 30 Apr 2005, MisterX wrote: you can login now ;) ___ use-revolution

Re: Problem with convert it to seconds

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Jacque- Friday, April 29, 2005, 7:16:28 PM, you wrote: JLG The script editor is just another stack, so of course when you change JLG stacks the original selection is removed. So this isn't really something JLG that's wrong with Revolution, it is just standard behavior. On the JLG other hand, it

Re: [ANN] Reminder - online scripting conferences

2005-04-30 Thread Judy Perry
Ditto... Dan... A... are we in that much disagreement?? No promises here, either, but I'll try. MUST GET SLEEP!!! ... !!! (is there an x-talk script yet than can control 4-y.o.s? A special converter cable???). Desperately seeking sleep... Judy On Fri, 29 Apr 2005, Dan Shafer

Filter

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Schonewille
Hi, I have a long list with text. The syntax filter myLongList with *a*|*b* should return almost the complete list, but I don't get any data returned, while filter myLongList with *a* and filter myLongList with *b* both work. What's wrong here? Mark -- eHUG coordinator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Re: Filter

2005-04-30 Thread Alex Tweedly
Mark Schonewille wrote: Hi, I have a long list with text. The syntax filter myLongList with *a*|*b* should return almost the complete list, but I don't get any data returned, while filter myLongList with *a* and filter myLongList with *b* both work. What's wrong here? You should be able to do

Re: [ANN] Reminder - online scripting conferences

2005-04-30 Thread Kevin Miller
On 30/4/05 3:52 am, J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Just watch me. :) It is both 3:30 GMT (plus or minus 0.9 seconds) and 11:30 EDT (Eastern *Daylight* time) and I can do the Rochester conversion for both NY and MN: The conference doors open at 10:30 AM Minneapolis time, which is

Re: A Philosophical Point

2005-04-30 Thread Jim Carwardine
I didn't have my Cheerio's that morning. Sorry list. I'll work on my flexibility a little harder... Jim on 4/29/05 10:40 AM, Lynch, Jonathan wrote: For my sake, please stay off the list... Jim I strongly object to this sentiment. As one who participates in this list, I enjoyed this

To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Jim Carwardine
I know there has been lots of discussion on this topic since I joined the list and I know many Rev'ers on this list have converted to Rev as their dev language of first choice. I'm having a continuing conversation with my provider about using his sever to serve my Rev app. First was he highly

Re: Problem with convert it to seconds

2005-04-30 Thread Mikey
It needs more. FD MEEE -- http://taoof4d.blogspot.com http://4dwishlist.blogspot.com On the first day, God created the heavens and the Earth On the second day, God created the oceans. On the third day, God put the animals on hold for a few hours, and did a little diving.

Tiger and windowShape

2005-04-30 Thread Lars Brehmer
If this appears twice, I'm not sure what happened. I sent it once and it didn't show up, at least not as fast as I am used to. Has anyone installed Tiger and looked at a revStack or standalone that uses a windowShape other than rectangular? I just installed Tiger on my backup machine to try

Re: Tiger and windowShape

2005-04-30 Thread Klaus Major
Hi Lars, how's doing? :-) If this appears twice, I'm not sure what happened. I sent it once and it didn't show up, at least not as fast as I am used to. Has anyone installed Tiger and looked at a revStack or standalone that uses a windowShape other than rectangular? I just installed Tiger on

Re: Tiger and windowShape

2005-04-30 Thread Gordon Tillman
Howdy Lars, On Apr 30, 2005, at 08:30, Lars Brehmer wrote: Has anyone installed Tiger and looked at a revStack or standalone that uses a windowShape other than rectangular? I just installed Tiger on my backup machine to try it out and one of my main Rev projects has three stacks with a shape

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hmm... well, first of all, a scripting language *is* a real programming language. Just because a language isn't compiled doesn't mean it isn't real. In fact, every language is interpreted; even compiled languages are simply translated into machine

Rev OOP

2005-04-30 Thread Rob Cozens
Hi All, I deleted the original message with the intention of passing on this [dare I say it, Heather] philosophical question; but a voice inside me keeps saying, I won't let you concentrate until you respond, so: IMF(oole's)O, the programmer who ruled out RunRev as a development platform on

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Pierre Sahores
Jim, I know there has been lots of discussion on this topic since I joined the list and I know many Rev'ers on this list have converted to Rev as their dev language of first choice. I'm having a continuing conversation with my provider about using his sever to serve my Rev app. First was he

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Derek Bump
it is more of scripting language that a real programming language ­ which is awesome for the non-technical developers like me and you, but is not a true object oriented application language which is being taught in universities. You know, this is exactly the kind of statement that I really

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Rob Cozens
Frank, et al: As for an object-oriented programming language, no Rev is *not* an object-oriented programming language, at least not in the traditional sense. For example, in Rev, let's say we want to change the label of the button; we do this with a command like: set the label of button My

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread jbv
Jim, In the early days of HC (circa 1987/88) I was already facing this kind of objection from C or Pascal programers... Even in the early 80's when I was experimenting with Logo, I used to hear similar comments... Tell your ISP that (today more than ever) only 1 thing matters : how much time

OT : PearPC

2005-04-30 Thread jbv
Has anyone seen / used this : http://pearpc.sourceforge.net/about.html http://prasys.skidsoftware.com/intro.htm just curious... JB ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Derek Bump wrote: On top of that, so what if it's not taught in Universities! A statement like that is just like one from those people out there that say Oh, it's NOT from Microsoft...well then it MUST be bad! I do the

Re: OT : PearPC

2005-04-30 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. You could use that to run Linux, I'm sure, but you can't legally install OS X on that emulator (or any other, for

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Victor Eijkhout
On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:31 AM, Derek Bump wrote: What programming language is not object oriented? Everything is an object. Object-oriented refers to programmatic objects. Classes, inheritance, polymorphism. RR has very little of that. V. -- Victor Eijkhout Innovative Computing Lab, University

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Rob Cozens
Frank, et al: Before someone goes and says, but we have inheritance -- the group intercepts messages not received by objects in the group, the card receives from the group, etc. -- there is a certain level of inheritance in place, and Rev does have many characteristics of an object-oriented

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Rob Cozens
Frank, et al: But I for one would not pretend to call it an actual object-oriented language until we can define our own classes, subclass those classes *and* the built-in classes (such as button, field, group, card, stack...), Again, groups and grouped groups can duplicate the functionality

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Jim Carwardine
So, in summary, Rev can create an OOP, but an OOP can't create Rev... Jim on 4/30/05 12:57 PM, Dennis Brown wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:51 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: OTOH, PostScript is a real programming language, a point which a lot of people seem to miss... As a point of

Re: convert it to seconds Philosophy

2005-04-30 Thread simplsol
Hi Heather, It's nice to know someone IS listening. The response I was hoping for was something like this: Yes, Mr. Looney, we are aware of this date/time problem from all of the other posts on the discussion group and bugzilla. We, too consider it serious and have dispatched the resources to

Re: convert it to seconds Philosophy

2005-04-30 Thread Frank D. Engel, Jr.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Apr 30, 2005, at 1:27 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Heather, It's nice to know someone IS listening. The response I was hoping for was something like this: Yes, Mr. Looney, we are aware of this date/time problem from all of the other posts on

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Dan Shafer
On Apr 30, 2005, at 7:31 AM, Derek Bump wrote: it is more of scripting language that a real programming language ­ which is awesome for the non-technical developers like me and you, but is not a true object oriented application language which is being taught in universities. I've made a

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Dan Shafer
I couldn't resist jumping into this one just briefly. Forth is one of two programming languages I have tried to learn with complete lack of success. The other is LISP. Both are object-oriented (at least Forth is in some implementations and LISP is purely). I'm an object thinker but these two

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Dan Shafer
I suggest it's the other way around. One could write a Transcript interpreter and IDE to duplicate that of Revolution in Java or Smalltalk, e.g., but it would be all but impossible to write a Java compiler or interpreter and IDE in Transcript. But that's moot. Nobody's going to do either. Java

Re: OT : PearPC

2005-04-30 Thread Dar Scott
On Apr 30, 2005, at 8:55 AM, Frank D. Engel, Jr. wrote: If you read the license agreement for OS X, there is a clause which states that it cannot legally be installed on non-apple hardware. My Panther license says this: 2.A This License allows you to install and use one copy of the

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread James Spencer
On Apr 30, 2005, at 1:50 PM, Dan Shafer wrote: But that's moot. Nobody's going to do either. Java is good for some things for which Rev is not suited (mostly apps requiring lots of interaction with system-level resources and multi-programmer projects) and Rev is good for some things for

throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Dar Scott
I was wondering what people prefer as far as fatal errors in executing a custom command, such as in a library. Should that be in a non-empty value returned by result()? Or should that cause some error message to the thrown? Or does it depend on the error? Dar --

saving settings.

2005-04-30 Thread Paul Salyers
Dear Rev Programmer, I'm trying to get my program to save information into a text file. I'm using this format, is something wrong? put gDate1 gDate2 gDate3 gDate4 gDate5 cr \ into url (file: tFolderName slash settings.txt) It's saving gData1 instead on the information help in

Re: saving settings.

2005-04-30 Thread Alex Tweedly
Paul Salyers wrote: Dear Rev Programmer, I'm trying to get my program to save information into a text file. I'm using this format, is something wrong? put gDate1 gDate2 gDate3 gDate4 gDate5 cr \ into url (file: tFolderName slash settings.txt) It's saving gData1 instead on the

Re: saving settings.

2005-04-30 Thread Paul Salyers
You would probably want put quote gData1 quote comma quote gData2 etc. or perhaps put quote comma quote into myBetween put quote gData1 myBetween gData2 myBetween etc. -- Alex Tweedly http://www.tweedly.net Close I now have: gData1,gData2,gData3,gData4,gData5 At least the

Re: Working with animated gifs

2005-04-30 Thread Jeanne A. E. DeVoto
At 9:42 AM -0400 4/26/05, Glen Bojsza wrote: I was wondering if there are some general guidelines on how to use animated gifs in Rev on the XP platform? Turning the animation on and off would be my first question. I understand that I can set the repeat and direction properties in the property

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Dan Shafer
I used to feel this way. And I don't code in Java myself, preferring Python when Rev won't do. But the latest changes to Java and the brilliant IDEs (e.g., Eclipse) and widget toolkits (e.g., Windowbuildedr Pro), have really streamlined the dev process. OTOH, it's still Java, which is

Re: saving settings.

2005-04-30 Thread Dennis Brown
Well that why you are only getting the data from gData1 everywhere. Look at what you used! Dennis On Apr 30, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Paul Salyers wrote: You would probably want put quote gData1 quote comma quote gData2 etc. or perhaps put quote comma quote into myBetween put quote gData1

Re: saving settings.

2005-04-30 Thread Paul Salyers
it's data1, data2, etc. At 05:10 PM 4/30/2005, you wrote: Well that why you are only getting the data from gData1 everywhere. Look at what you used! Dennis On Apr 30, 2005, at 5:53 PM, Paul Salyers wrote: You would probably want put quote gData1 quote comma quote gData2 etc. or perhaps put

Re: To Rev or not to Rev

2005-04-30 Thread Derek Bump
As someone already said, your ISP answer is a way to avoid any depth analysis of Rev capabilities... It's also the usual answer from ppl who usually struggle with complex programing environments and who are bitter to see other ppl developping sophisticated apps 2 to 5 times faster... I agree

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Derek Bump
Dar Scott wrote: I was wondering what people prefer as far as fatal errors in executing a custom command, such as in a library. Should that be in a non-empty value returned by result()? Or should that cause some error message to the thrown? Or does it depend on the error? Dar I will tell you

Sorting Multiple Fields

2005-04-30 Thread Roger Guay
I have 6 list fields side-by-side each with the same number of lines, with synchronized scrolling and synchronized hilitedLines. Is there an easy way to sort the first field and have the data in the other fields follow the sort. That is to sort the whole group on the first field?

Re: Sorting Multiple Fields

2005-04-30 Thread Stephen Barncard
Is there a certain reason you have to use synchronized fields at all? Won't tabbed fields work better for you, or are you doing a lot of stuff with column math? sqb At 4:02 PM -0700 4/30/05, Roger Guay wrote: I have 6 list fields side-by-side each with the same number of lines, with

about Rev XML libs and XSLT files...

2005-04-30 Thread Andre Garzia
Hi Folks, trying not to reinvent the wheel here, can RevXML library transform a given XML using a XSLT file or I'll have to write code for that (or maybe shell to some tool who can..) cheers andre -- Andre Alves Garzia 2004 Soap Dog Studios - BRAZIL http://studio.soapdog.org

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Andre Garzia
On Apr 30, 2005, at 6:22 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I was wondering what people prefer as far as fatal errors in executing a custom command, such as in a library. Should that be in a non-empty value returned by result()? Or should that cause some error message to the thrown? Or does it depend on the

Re: Rev OOP

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Dan- Saturday, April 30, 2005, 11:31:09 AM, you wrote: DS world around me in terms of objects. From a programming perspective, I DS find myself always more comfortable dealing with objects in the sense DS in which Smalltalk and Java (and decidedly NOT C++) think about them. I'm in agreement

Re: Filter

2005-04-30 Thread Mark Wieder
Alex- Saturday, April 30, 2005, 3:11:55 AM, you wrote: AT You're using filter as though it tok any normal Regular Epression. It AT doesn't - only I'm constantly running up against this one, too, so I just filed bugzilla #2805 for regex extensions in the filter command.

Re: Sorting Multiple Fields

2005-04-30 Thread Alex Tweedly
Roger Guay wrote: I have 6 list fields side-by-side each with the same number of lines, with synchronized scrolling and synchronized hilitedLines. Is there an easy way to sort the first field and have the data in the other fields follow the sort. That is to sort the whole group on the

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Dar Scott
On Apr 30, 2005, at 5:31 PM, Andre Garzia wrote: my convention is: * Use return codes if the error is not a critical one. more like a mistake then an error. * Use throw if the error is a karma-burning pyrotechinical mayhem from hell. I suppose if a library only used results you could do this:

Re: Sorting Multiple Fields

2005-04-30 Thread Dave Cragg
On 1 May 2005, at 00:02, Roger Guay wrote: I have 6 list fields side-by-side each with the same number of lines, with synchronized scrolling and synchronized hilitedLines. Is there an easy way to sort the first field and have the data in the other fields follow the sort. That is to sort the

Re: Sorting Multiple Fields

2005-04-30 Thread Ken Ray
On 4/30/05 6:02 PM, Roger Guay [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have 6 list fields side-by-side each with the same number of lines, with synchronized scrolling and synchronized hilitedLines. Is there an easy way to sort the first field and have the data in the other fields follow the sort. That

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Dar Scott
On Apr 30, 2005, at 4:42 PM, Derek Bump wrote: I will tell you what I prefer, put it all into the result. My reason: I hate the idea that a custom library, or even the Rev IDE, will not allow my script to continue because it ran into an error doing something. I understand. Some folks like the

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Dar Scott
On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I was wondering what people prefer as far as fatal errors in executing a custom command, such as in a library. Should that be in a non-empty value returned by result()? Or should that cause some error message to the thrown? Or does it depend on the

Re: saving settings.

2005-04-30 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 4/30/05 4:53 PM, Paul Salyers wrote: Close I now have: gData1,gData2,gData3,gData4,gData5 At least the quotes comas are in place but the information in the data is not getting saved. I used: put quote gData1 quote comma quote gData1 quote comma quote gData1 quote comma quote

Re: Sorting Multiple Fields

2005-04-30 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 4/30/05 6:02 PM, Roger Guay wrote: I have 6 list fields side-by-side each with the same number of lines, with synchronized scrolling and synchronized hilitedLines. Is there an easy way to sort the first field and have the data in the other fields follow the sort. That is to sort the

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Phil Davis
Dar Scott wrote: On Apr 30, 2005, at 3:22 PM, Dar Scott wrote: I was wondering what people prefer as far as fatal errors in executing a custom command, such as in a library. Should that be in a non-empty value returned by result()? Or should that cause some error message to the thrown? Or does

Scripting conference transcript

2005-04-30 Thread J. Landman Gay
I've just uploaded the revised scripting conference stack, which now contains a transcript of the online chat. You can grab it for reference on the regular web page: http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences. This was an incredible experience and I am very happy with the outcome of our

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread J. Landman Gay
On 4/30/05 11:27 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Dar Scott wrote: OK, well, what about a library that exports lots of functions, such as a math library? Functions don't have a separate result for an error. Should the error be a special value in the result and propagated through? Or should an error

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Phil Davis
J. Landman Gay wrote: On 4/30/05 11:27 PM, Phil Davis wrote: Dar Scott wrote: OK, well, what about a library that exports lots of functions, such as a math library? Functions don't have a separate result for an error. Should the error be a special value in the result and propagated through? Or

Re: throw vs the result

2005-04-30 Thread Dar Scott
On Apr 30, 2005, at 10:38 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: The HyperCard standard for this was to preceed the value with a special string, commonly Error:. Then your handler just checks to see if word 1 is that string. put myFunction() into tValue I suppose this would propagate: put myOtherFunction(