i'm 25 years old too... that makes me a young rev coder, i suppose.
how exciting.
anyone know of a rev external which handles charging to credit cards?
i'm working on a point of sale idea and want to get it all in one
program.
thanks
sam
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there can be hours between the so and the
Richard,
Even for so-called HIG-compliant applications, Rev is behind the times.
Look at the menus in Microsoft Office 2003. That is the current state of the
art. Look how Visual Basic Express creates menus that look exactly like
those. Rev does not. Rev cannot directly support even icons in
Thomas McCarthy wrote:
I update a file on my server using a script like this:
put x cr after URL ftp://username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/secretroom/somefile.txt
I also retrieve info by getting the URL. Some of this info is of a sensitive nature (my
daily body-mass-index). So I would like to
Kurt Kaufman wrote:
I don't remember who to thank for this one, which I modified only
slightly:
on testForConnection
put 255.255.255.255:43222 into testSocket
open datagram socket to testSocket
put hostAddress(testSocket) into theIPAddress
close socket testSocket
if
Interesting info there. A couple of things are possibly skewing
perceptions of the average age of the community - youngsters likely
can't afford to go to conferences so you probably wouldn't see them
there, and I wonder how many of them have the dedication to wade
through and participate in
Yes, that works. I guess having the root adminstration name and password will
get you into any folder on the site.
Now, how could I go to a stack in a protected folder? i.e.:
go stack URL http://www.mysite.com/safebox/sensitive.rev;
thanks
Tom McCarthy
Hi Scott,
Great post.
When I was a journalist for the French edition of MacWorld, I talked
during seven years about HyperCard and then got many posts from
users: they were of all ages from nine to more than eighty with a
level average of twenty-five :-)
Old times...
As for me, I feel very
I don't have a Macintosh so I can't say -- do you get gel buttons? Are
tabbed controls presented the way they are on built-for-OS X apps?
I looked up the video tutorials for Rev on a Mac screen, and I'm happy to
see these *are* implemented the Mac OS X way. Excellent.
Bill
On 12/6/05, Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Kay,
The Answer dialog is a modal window: this means that you can't do
anything else than validate an option.
In your case, you have to build the window by yourself in order to
present options and choices in the *same* window :-)
Not
Hi,
I am currently teaching my Friends Son Alex (11) the wonders of RunRev!
All the Best
Dave
Interesting info there. A couple of things are possibly skewing
perceptions of the average age of the community - youngsters likely
can't afford to go to conferences so you probably wouldn't see
Hi Dave,
Le 6 déc. 05 à 20:23, David Burgun a écrit :
That way 96% of computer users wouldn't be affected, except that
they could code without having to test for MacOS X. At the moment,
you cannot disable the Edit or Help Menu's as a whole unless you
test for MacOS X first
In my experience
Hi Dave,
I agree with you.
But I have to confess that I am always impressed when I build a stack
on MacOS X (I prefer, I'm more used to) and then transfer it to my PC
and see that 100% of my code works :-)
Kudos to Runrev!
Most of annoyances come from other things: charsets, fonts spacing
Hi,
I am slightly confused as to the use of this and me when used for
a Stack, for instance, if I have two stacks:
GlobalStack, contains global functions in the Stack Script, as so:
function GetStackFileName
local myFileName
put the filename of this stack into myFileName
return myFileName
Hi!
I humbly request for all your help as am very new to revolution and am very
exited about it, however i have made some blunders along the way but i believe
REVOLUTION is really programing at the speed of thought!
I am looking for sample scripts that clearly deal with creation,
Hi Dave,
1. Me refers to the object in the script of which the handler runs;
Then in a stack script, me refers to the stack the script of which
owns the running handler.
2. This refers generally to to a card or a stack and refers to the
card or the stack that initiated the process.
Then if
Heck, the decimal system no longer works for me . . . I'm still old
at a hexadecimal 42, by cracky!!
Cheers, Roger
On Dec 7, 2005, at 1:00 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Message: 13
Date: Wed, 07 Dec 2005 00:52:14 -0600
From: Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: What Rev Needs --
she was intrigued with the
possibility of making the CEO into a flying pig that circled the window
(I was testing Arcade Engine at the time).
I would love to see that stack! :-)
Speaking for germany, I know that quite a few of the folks that hang
around at revolutionboard.de are far younger
Fred,
I tried that here with a G4 and a wireless Gyration Keyboard and it
shows me four numbers for F10,Enter,k,9 etc. SO I assume it is
working. I did not lookup the numbers to see if they were correct.
I don't know if you looked at the Keyboard Shortcuts Tab in the
Keyboard Mouse Pane
Bill,
I use OSX all of the time and also see the look and feel correctly. I
just bought a Sony Laptop and hooked up a 20 monitor side by side
with my 23 Apple cinema display. I am using XP pro and Office 2003.
I am noticing just how far windows has come in look and feel. I am
just
David,
Unless it's the Bird Flu I guess ;-)
Tom
On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:21 AM, David Burgun wrote:
It would also have the added benefit of fixing a bug in Rev! Two
birds with one stone! Can't be Bad!
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she was intrigued with the
possibility of making the CEO into a flying pig that circled the window
(I was testing Arcade Engine at the time).
I would love to see that stack! :-)
Speaking for germany, I know that quite a few of the folks that hang
around at revolutionboard.de are far younger
Devin and everyone else,
Was the problem in the quoted message ever solved?
Best,
Mark
Devin Asay wrote:
This question was raised a while back, and I never saw a satisfactory
solution. If I want to change the input keyboard when the insertion
point goes to a field with non-Latin text,
Hi all:
Being a Revolution newbie and I all, I really appreciate this list and
everyone on it. I'd like to thank Trevor DeVore for responding to my
first post. Trevor you've made it look easy, thanks. ;)
I have put to work Trevor's suggestions in a function. That function
resides in the
Scott Rossi wrote;
As a matter of fact, since the accusations are hurling, flames are flying,
and there's generally a lot of smoke and debris around, I'd like to take
this opportunity throw some fuel on a different fire. I'll try and put this
as non-ageist as I can:
Rev developers are
Hi Adam,
You use a handler by writing:
hander name param1,param2 etc.
It's exactly like a built-in command: show field 1
You use a function by writing something like:
put function name(param1,param2 etc.) into tVar
Then the value returned will be stored in to the tVar variable
get function
Do I have to use QuickTime to create sound files for RR? Do I have to buy
QuickTime Pro for this?
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Hi Preston,
Do I have to use QuickTime to create sound files for RR?
No, any sound-editor will do, as long as the output formats are
supported by Rev/QT.
Do I have to buy QuickTime Pro for this?
No, but that might come in very handy from time to time :-)
I use Audacity and QT Pro.
Adam, a handler will be in the form:
on myHandler param1,param2,etc
doStuff
end myHandler
a function will be:
function myFunction param1,param2,etc.
do stuff
return something
end myFunction
the calling of these will be someting like
myHandler param1,param2
or:
put
On Dec 7, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Adam wrote:
I am then trying to call that function from the script of a button
on the card in the following way:
on mouseUp
put field fldItemsToFind into lItemsToFind
put field fldNumItemsAllowed into lNumItemsAllowed
Hi, I'd like to say thanks to Dave Cragg for helping me solve this
issue...and perhaps others might run into this too. My problem was
actually caused by having a button's filename property set to a URL
which was no longer available. Unfortunately there was no obvious
error message that
Hi all --
I'm trying to understand tabbed windows (which are a type of button). I
understand how to set the tabs and to handle when a user clicks on a tab,
but am confused about the window below the tabs. How can you put content
into that? Or can't you? It looks kind of like a field, but
Back again, with thanks, to tap the brains of the RR experts once more: I
have created a Revolution application (on Macintosh) that calls for a screen
size close to 1024x768. Since some users (Mac or Windows) may have their
monitors set to less than that, I am concerned that the stacks may
Eric,
The problem is with a hide or show command that falsifies the right
pair between lock and unlock screen.
Merci!
In this case my workaround is to hide runtime.gif on preOpenCard card
and show my credits first.
If Revolution ever handles this correctly on Windows, then their
credits
On 12/7/05 1:12 AM, Geoff Canyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Dec 2, 2005, at 12:52 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
Personally, I think the root cause of the problem is the inflexible
syntax for non-built-in commands and functions. What I'd like to
see is the ability to separate parameters
Hi Steven,
Back again, with thanks, to tap the brains of the RR experts once
more: I
have created a Revolution application (on Macintosh) that calls for
a screen
size close to 1024x768. Since some users (Mac or Windows) may
have their
monitors set to less than that, I am concerned that
On further thought, I probably overstated RR's position on TG.
I can't say that they have committed themselves to implementing same;
I think their position was that they are interested and recognized
the importance and significance of TG in education.
Jim
Hi Marty,
The How to Manage Tabbed Buttons tutorial might help you:
How to manage tabbed buttons with 2 methods: Multiple cards method
(each tab is a card) and Groups method (show/hide groups based on tab
selection). And scripted examples of how to set the tabs names, how
to select a tab,
In a message dated 12/7/05 8:46:36 AM,
[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I tried that here with a G4 and a wireless Gyration Keyboard and it
shows me four numbers for F10,Enter,k,9 etc. SO I assume it is
working. I did not lookup the numbers to see if they were correct.
Actually, there should
Trevor DeVore wrote:
On Dec 7, 2005, at 6:47 AM, Adam wrote:
I am then trying to call that function from the script of a button on
the card in the following way:
on mouseUp
put field fldItemsToFind into lItemsToFind
put field fldNumItemsAllowed into lNumItemsAllowed
Can anyone help me? I've been a Revolution user for 3 years using version
1.1.1. I have a new G5 Mac with system 10.4.2 and just downloaded
Revolution 2.6.1. I can't get any audio files to play. I have a huge
library of sound files I've been gathering for the last couple of years.
They were almost
Here is the confirmation code number is received. Please add me to the
mailing list.
3c5a454ee87119eddc3654d972dc849f0ca716af
Edgar Spees
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Hello Nicholas,
However would still greatly appreciate any sample scripts from the group.
Serendipity Library and accompanying stacks are open source. The
Library stack script alone contains almost 6.000 lines of sample
code. Even if you're not interested in the functionality, the
Hi Tom,
Did you try the dontusequicktime etc approach?
Thanks for the suggestion.
I tried setting dontUseQTEffects to true on preopenStack; but I still
can't hide or show the image betweeen lock screen and unlock screen
with visual... commands on Windws.
Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity
Edgar,
Did you compress the audio files when you converted them? The play
command won't play compressed AIF and WAV files. If you want to play
compressed sounds you'd be better off leaving the files external to
the stack and using a player object to reference and play them.
Devin
On Dec
Adam, You will find databases a lot easier to use if you employ
Trevor's wonderful libraries... works for me...
the early version is online with an brief explanation...
http://mangomultimedia.com/developer/revolution/libDatabase_article.html
but his beta version 2.0 is much better.
On 4/12/05 7:51 pm, Éric Miclo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I've just reinstalled Rev and Intego VirusBarrier tels me that the
revspeechsapi4.dll contains a virus called w32.NetSky.Q.
Is somebody aware of that?
We tested the distribution before shipping it. We also checked it again
today against
Bill Marriott wrote:
Richard,
Even for so-called HIG-compliant applications, Rev is behind the times.
If you mean that Rev should implement some of your suggested HIG
enhancements automatically, then yes, I think you are probably right.
However, almost everything you mention can already be
?? WHAT'S THIS? looks like a serial number...
Here is the confirmation code number is received. Please add me to the
mailing list.
3c5a454ee87119eddc3654d972dc849f0ca716af
Edgar Spees
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Hi Adam,
Hi again all:
The functions I have converted from my PHP scripts, don't return
any values. How do I define these functions as handlers that
return no value?
Functions:
function xyz
##do this and that
##return thisthat
end xyz
Handler:
on xyz
##do this and that
end xyz
Hi Adam,
How do I define a handler?
on handlerName parameter1, @parameter2, ..., paramenterN
handler logic
...
...
end handlerName
Don't know if this is meaningful to you, but prefixing any parameter
with @ causes that parameter to be passed by address instead of by
value. In the
Nicholas Nginya wrote:
I am looking for sample scripts that clearly deal with creation,
updating, saving and sending of binfiles.
Take a look at the scripting conference, written by Ken Ray, on working
with files. It is here:
http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/
Scroll down to
ALL are extremely welcome to download all of my stuff via
the button on the files page of my website - as well as all
the 'guff' from my Master's thesis. For anyone interested
in faking an Agent this is some sort of an attempt.
Should you use any of my stuff, would be awfully grateful
for an
Nicholas-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 4:47:44 AM, you wrote:
I am looking for sample scripts that clearly deal with
creation, updating, saving and sending of binfiles.
Check out the stacks from the online scripting conferences at
http://support.runrev.com/scriptingconferences/
and in
Ah, yes, well that is the Windows Theme Manager for you :)
I think Rev emulates the look of XP, and doesn't actually pull from the
actual OS... this is why it doesn't respond to changes made in the Windows
appearance manager. In other words, if you customize the look and feel of
Windows with
Thanks Scott it would be great if you could I always take the
opportunity to learn something new with rev.
liam lambert
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Hi Jacqueline,
You wrote,
Rev cannot directly support even icons in menus, which has been around
many years.
Rev does support this. What you need to use are stack menus, rather than
the simple button menus which are the default.
I tried looking up stack menu in the docs. I found:
You
Thomas,
Fortunately for you and the list, Bill is incorrect in his assessment.
I've tested 3 seperate themes on Win XP and they all dsplay correctly in
Rev, so it does actually pull from the actual OS. I seem to remember
testing this for Tuviah when he was implementing theme support for WinXP
Well Bill, sometimes you just need to dig a bit. While natively, RR
doesn't support many of the features, there are tools which do, and most
of them are free. Hope the following helps (see below)..
Bill Marriott wrote:
Hi Jacqueline,
You wrote,
Rev cannot directly support even icons in
On 12/7/05 6:56 AM, Eric Chatonet [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
2. This refers generally to to a card or a stack and refers to the
card or the stack that initiated the process.
Then if the current running handler was called from the current
stack, this will refer to it but when called from
Chipp,
In other words, if you customize the look and feel of Windows with a
utility like WindowsBlinds, it doesn't necessarily translate to every UI
component in Rev.
Many effects work. It does pull in the title bar style, and I think the
progress bar style. It does not pull in window
On 12/7/05 2:36 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
I think your final sentences really summed up your thoughts on this:
Modern look-and-feel is undeniably one
of Revolution's weaknesses. Improving this is one component of several
things Rev should do to be successful and
On 12/7/05 9:37 AM, Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi Steven,
Back again, with thanks, to tap the brains of the RR experts once
more: I
have created a Revolution application (on Macintosh) that calls for
a screen
size close to 1024x768. Since some users (Mac or Windows) may
Bill,
It gets the theme parts right from where I sit. The large fonts isn't
part of a theme, it's another setting and even Microsoft itself doesn't
support Large fonts fully. Try setting Large Fonts to 'Extra Large' and
then close and open the Display properties window and you see it doesn't
Bill,
It gets the theme parts right from where I sit. The large fonts isn't
part of a theme, it's another setting and even Microsoft itself doesn't
support Large fonts fully. Try setting Large Fonts to 'Extra Large' and
then close and open the Display properties window and you see it doesn't
Chipp,
I know you didn't mention button styles specifically as being taken directly
from the OS, but once you see the following difference it will be one of
those details that pop out at you all the time:
http://wjm.org/linked/buttons.htm
Again, *very* minor, probably not obvious to the vast
Bill,
You can make a menu have any look you want, using a stack as a menu -
not just icons, but all sorts of complex layouts. But yes, just use
icon-sized images in the substack serving as the source for your menu,
and you will get icons in your menu.
Every system has predesigned elements that
Bill,
A picture is indeed worth a thousand words! I prefer the VB placement of
text.
My best guess is that we're both *sorta* correct ;-) I believe
Revolution 'builds' the buttons using the correct theme 'bits', but
probably doesn't use the direct API call to do so. 'Course I could be
Hi All,
Working on Win XP; RunRev 2.6.1,
if the platform is MacOS then
enable menuItem 11 of menu 1
enable menuItem 13 of menu 1
else
disable menuItem 11 of menu 1
disable menuItem 13 of menu 1
end if
does not disable menuItems 11 13 until the stack is opened a second
Don't panic. It's just a list subscribe confirmation number. Not of any
value and certainly won't unlock anything. Mr. Spees obviously got a
little confused with the confirm address.
But... if it was a serial number it might not have been a good idea to
quote it again ...
cheers
Heather
as the subject says: just a test, please ignore
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Marty,
When I started using Revolution, this was quite a mystery to me as
well, but it works so easy...
Create a tabbed button with for instance 3 tabs in it: My First
Tab, Tab Number Two and The Last Tab
The script of this button (or at least, the way I do it):
ON menuPick vNew
On 12/7/05 12:52 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Web browser control.
You can launch a web browser with a URL. Not sure what other control you
mean.
Ken Ray just offered up a great script for this in the MetaCard forum.
Perhaps he'll share it here? Also revGoURL will launch a
Within my application the fuctions I have written don't return values in
that case, if I understand correctly; they should be handlers. How do I
define a handler?
Although Rob gave you the full answer, the simple answer is change
'function' to 'on' and you're done. :-)
That is, a function
Ken,
Thanks a lot for this post! I hope your excellent summary will help settle
the debate on this. I didn't imagine my recommendations would spur a major
row, but I am kind of glad they did. We ended up really getting into some
nitty gritty stuff and I hope this was useful to the RunRev staff
Hi Ken,
As usual, you are right.
I forgot to mention the defaultStack feature that is so convenient
sometimes...
(to not have to write something like set the hilite of btn I dont
know which... of stack which stack? I don't remember! to the
uHilite of etc. :-)
Thanks for this needed
On minor comment, Tom. Declaring variables in Transcript can lead to
unexpected results as in this case, you chose a. This is technically a
reserved 'word', as in 'there is a file', etc. Most of the time you will
have no problem, but there will be occasions when Transcript will get
confused.
Hi rob,
I don't know exactly your problem :-)
But I have a way to do that sort of things that might interest you:
I am used to have a menu template in a custom property without
( , !c' and so on.
Each time the menu is called, I use this ever clean template and
add what I need...
I detail
Chipp-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:57:29 AM, you wrote:
My best guess is that we're both *sorta* correct ;-) I believe
Revolution 'builds' the buttons using the correct theme 'bits', but
probably doesn't use the direct API call to do so. 'Course I could be
I believe you're right, since
Just to let Rev. know... So do I, so will I
dave
Bill Marriott wrote:
clip...
I simply love xTalk, and Rev is keeping this great language very much alive.
It really is an impressive tool overall; I'll be buying upgrades for as long
as they are offered.
Bill
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Hi Bill,
Chipp,
I know you didn't mention button styles specifically as being taken
directly
from the OS, but once you see the following difference it will be
one of
those details that pop out at you all the time:
http://wjm.org/linked/buttons.htm
Again, *very* minor, probably not
Hi all,
I take the opportunity of Jim comment to point out a thing I do not
consider as correct with Rev:
I always work with explicit variables (a question of habits with
other languages and to ensure security :-)
Then, all variables used in a repeat control structure header that
are not
Hi Ton,
Marty,
When I started using Revolution, this was quite a mystery to me as
well, but it works so easy...
Create a tabbed button with for instance 3 tabs in it: My First
Tab, Tab Number Two and The Last Tab
The script of this button (or at least, the way I do it):
ON menuPick
Yeah, VB lets you put a 16x16 icon to the left of button text, it lets you
create buttons that have the little drop-down arrow to the right for menus
or palettes, it has properties for whether the button appears in a menu
strip, whether the cursor assumes a special shape when over it... it is
On 12/7/05 2:18 PM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are also correct that Rev *does* face unique challenges when designing a
cross-platform development tool. It's very difficult to exactly support
every little detail of an OS while still enabling you to easily write once,
deploy
SUCH A TEASE
On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
I also know that the company is well aware of some of the things
you ask for, and they aren't ignoring that. Stay tuned.
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Chipp,
Your high-quality plugins (among others) are exactly what needs to be
incorporated into the core Rev functionality. I hope Rev considers licensing
them and writes you a handsome check :)
Bill
Chipp Walters wrote
Well Bill, sometimes you just need to dig a bit. While natively, RR
I would like to hear about advices how to address this problem in
Revolution:
Postulates:
- data of my system is based on a number of sets of xml documents;
- a set is a repository of xml documents;
- there is a registry of the sets which references the address of
each set;
- to avoid
This is an interesting thread. As long as we're talking about this...
Can menuitems be addressed by name rather than number? I don't always have
the items in the same position.
Joe,
Orlando, Florida
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On 12/7/05 11:16 PM, Joel Guillod [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I would like to hear about advices how to address this problem in
Revolution:
Postulates:
- data of my system is based on a number of sets of xml documents;
- a set is a repository of xml documents;
- there is a registry of the
Bill, Chipp,
That is definitely a different font and x height.
HHMMM.. Glad to know this although it is a minor thing. All the
same.
Tom
On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:
Chipp,
I know you didn't mention button styles specifically as being taken
directly
from the
Hi Joe,
You can use line lineOffset(menuItem name, tMenu) of tMenu
where tMenu is your menu put into a variable:
put ( before line lineOffset(Paste, tMenu) of tMenu
Very fast an reliable.
To be not kindly corrected by Ken :-)
I would add that, sometimes you will use:
put lineOffset(tab
IGNORED
On Dec 7, 2005, at 3:11 PM, Ton Kuypers wrote:
as the subject says: just a test, please ignore
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Hi All:
My project works. Sort of. ;) Thanks again to those who have been
helping me out. I have done in two days what took me weeks to formulate
elsewhere. Best of all it has a GUI. :D
Like I said it sort of works... I can connect to the database, I can
retrieve records, but this is the
On Dec 7, 2005, at 7:45 AM, Mark Schonewille wrote:
Devin and everyone else,
Was the problem in the quoted message ever solved?
I never saw any responses. Anybody out there care to stop talking
about Rev's image and chime in.
;-)
Devin
Devin Asay wrote:
This question was raised a
Bill-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:44:09 PM, you wrote:
Comments on the properties list: I prefer the way that Rev separates out the
properties (instead of one long list like this), but I'd rather they used
tabs instead of a drop-down menu for the various categories. Note that the
Yes,
Bill-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:18:41 PM, you wrote:
p.s.: One little nit is that all of the items I mentioned in earlier posts
(specifically calendar popups, notification tray support) are definitely
included with the current version of VBExpress.
IMO the only real downside to VB is
It is easy to determine the position, even if you do not know what it
is:
For example, if line 5 of myList is Hello, you do either of these:
Line 5 of myList
or
Line (lineoffset(Hello,myList)) of myList
Bear in mind that when you disable a menu item, the content of that line
actually
On 12/7/05 11:34 PM, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi All:
My project works. Sort of. ;) Thanks again to those who have been
helping me out. I have done in two days what took me weeks to formulate
elsewhere. Best of all it has a GUI. :D
Like I said it sort of works... I can connect to
On Dec 6, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Andre Garzia wrote:
I am rebuilding my homepage and there'll be a section on my
Application Framework or Paradigm called Alfred that is the stack
controlling everything I said on top.
Alfred..
Like the Batman's Majordomo, Alfred Pennyworth? :-))
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Hi Kurt,
I don't remember who to thank for this one,
which I modified only slightly:
Dar Scott published this code in march 2002:
local testSock
on mouseUp
put 255.255.255.255:43222 into testSock
open datagram socket to testSock -- opens immediately on Win2K
put
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