On the topic of names of things - I have developed a technique for creating
names that are as mobile as possible - the best form seems to be as follows:
button Test of stack Mobile
Seems simple? I wish it was easier to create these names in Rev or am I
missing something - the long names give
Same in the UK Rob - which is actually the application I am thinking of. So
the question is what is the best way to take the IRS documents and get Rev
to fill in the forms from the accounts database? Read the XML? Or is there
another way
On 25/05/07, Rob Cozens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I am addicted I confess! Try as I might - I just can't quit. It's not just a
case of will power - most usually I leave the computer sleeping and Rev open
and make a regular svn backup of everything before I go to bed - or watch
Liverpool loose but recently I have been taking the precaution of
Yes - lockmessages allows me to quit - but I cant debug very easlily. No
timers are running and while there is a pending message its from Galaxy -
which I doubt is the problem - I think its an external - just wandering how
to debug it?
On 24/05/07, Malte Brill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi
I've had a quick search regarding the ability to auto fill in PDF forms -
that is not creating PDF's from databases - but lets say you have an
existing PDF that you need to fill out many many times from your data -
software that does this for you. It seems possible in that you can import
the PDF
On 20/05/07, Shao Sean [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Anyways, back to the topic at hand.. I too attempted to use a
private command with parameters passed by reference and was just
given a 417 as well (see above for the joke)
Have you filed it as a bug report - can't see it.
I also came across
No - I am not trying to be cryptic - but this one is driving me nuts. The
problem I have is in a script that creates complex nested objects using
copy something to group destination. The script first copied a template
group and then fills in the subgroups depending on the result wanted. All
works
Has anyone got extensive experience of using altID? I am thinking of using
it - but not sure exactly how.
The scenario I have is to do with a library of components that get copied
all over the place, replace each other and need a good way of referring to
each other and their library equivalents.
Still not got to the bottom of this - but what is happening is that the
previous copy has happened but is not being registered by the rev engine.
A breakpoint gives it time to catch up - though wait has no effect (perhaps
due to blocking). It is not to do with the way I am referencing the
Found it - the reason why the engine had not registered the new status of
the created objects is the following lines of code:
send delete viewToReplace to viewToReplace in 2 ticks# in order to
self delete if required.
The engine must be waiting until the delete occurs before updating its
Yes it contains the long id.
I always put the long id into a variable and use that for references. I
store references differently so the moving folders on the hard disk does not
change things.
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this ID:
Then always choose very high altIDs to avoid conflicts:
Set the altID of btn ID 1011 to 60
put the long ID of btn ID 60
button id 1011 of card id 1002 of stack stack path
:-)
Le 20 mai 07 à 14:35, David Bovill a écrit :
Has anyone got extensive
Sounds kind of pornographic doesn't it :) Hope it doesn't get trapped in you
spam filters!
A little complex this one - changing a command to a private command has
stopped a script working for a reason I can't work out. The situation is:
1) I have a getprop handler layout_Outline that calls
I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and have a
problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:
put 20/4/02 into testDate
-- convert testDate from english date to dateItems
convert testDate from short english date to
Best,
Mark
On 18 May 2007, at 09:17, David Bovill wrote:
I have been testing/working with the new date fixes in 2.8.1 and
have a
problem with english dates - which I cannot convert properly:
put 20/4/02 into testDate
-- convert testDate from english date
Which is why I said then I thought better of the idea.
On 16/05/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
And exactly how does 'letting them sue you' save money? Lawyers cost money
no matter which side of a case they are on.
In reality though it would be a foolish company or individual to
Thanks - if thats the right word Andre.
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Andre - you made me think of the little guy versus big guy in law issue... I
have known a number of people with similar stories, and it makes me think
always of what to do in the age of the internet about these issues. And
every time I have this thought - so you have the evidence but not the
You have a field with a contextual menu - so when you control-click on the
field a popup menu apears (called in a mouseDown handler). If you do not use
the control key - but simply click the mouseUp handler does something
else...
So how do you prevent the mouseUp handler? Neither exit to top nor
+0100, David Bovill wrote:
This command passes the test:
on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
/*
Problem is if new month has less days in it than the original start
date
days
then just adding a month will add 2 months on conversion as the
overlap
pushes
Does anyone know exactly what the convert is doing with the times? I
modified Kens code so it also returns the best guess date as well as working
out the month and year - that is if there is no exact match it return s the
last day of that month
And the Unit test returns this:
Thu, 28 Feb
Chipp looks great!
I took a look at the videos, and understand I thinks how Rev can be used to
manage and tailor dynamically the python scripts - but there are some thigs
I don't get? It looks from the video like there is more interaction between
the manager and Vue... you choose a bevel tool
On 13/05/07, Robert Brenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Robert Brenstein wrote:
Another example: scientific applications where users can enter
their own functions for analyzing, processing, or displaying some
data.
Given how few scientists also have Rev experience, is it necessary
that the
On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David,
Originally I had a 'VueHub' which acted as a broker between Rev and Vue's
Python, sending and retrieving Python scripts and data back and forth. I
ended up only using Rev as the Installer/Manager for Vue and the toolbar
you
are seeing
On 14/05/07, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Would that suppose we should never copy protect our applications as we can
use law to sue pirates? That said, I do agree with your 25 lines
restriction.
Out of interest has anyone on this list had software pirated /
re-engineered? I'd be
I've forgotten how to do this... whats the trick again I've got a field
with tabbed data in it and I want to hilite say the second column of the 3rd
line. I know I've done this before but all I can get right now is the text
hilit - not the whole cell?
select item columnNum of line
Thanks everyone - yes using Rev syntax would hit the Script limits using
do - but I think:
put value(field cell 1,3 + field cell 1,4 / field cell 1,5) into
Would not be subject to this, using SQL syntax is also interesting - I would
like to use the same syntax that people would use in Excel
I thought this was easy! Well I discovered a bug in some old code and now I
am pulling my hair out trying to fix / code this... an interesting puzzle
for those of you so inclined on a Sunday :)
The Task
The function needs to add a variable number of months to a given date:
function
No - I don't think this makes sense - I wish it did. Allowing you to add as
many lines of code as you want and create your own IDE would mean you could
recreate an app with RunRev IDE functionality and release this as a binary
without needing anything from RunRev - hence the script limits? RunRev
I'd agree with Roger on both the key points - use law not functional
restrictions and at least extend to 25 lines.
On 13/05/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
On 05/13/2007 at 11:37 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote:
Shouldn't this limitation be obsoleted? I had read once that RunTime
Getting there :)
But still fails the unit tests - resulting in:
1
Failed adding 1 to 2002,1,31,1,0,0,5. Resulted in 1
2
Failed adding 2 to 2002,1,31,1,0,0,5. Resulted in 2
4
5
6
7
8
9
10
10
Failed adding 10 to 2002,1,31,1,0,0,5. Resulted in 10
Which looks like is kind of one out of the loop -
Sorry I thought it would be clear from the Use Case - basically I am not
interested in the days just the month number. The following function would
be more accurate:
on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
-- add a whole number of months to a date returning the new dates
This command passes the test:
on date_AddMonth monthsToAdd, startDate, @endMonth, @endYear
/*
Problem is if new month has less days in it than the original start date
days
then just adding a month will add 2 months on conversion as the overlap
pushes it over the month
-- can add
There are two examples which are not reated to self modyfyin code really:
1) Spread sheet type applications where the user can do simple stuff but
extend the manipulations to any level using an embedded scripting language
that is as easy to understand and write ans Transcript
2) Component
I have to do a one-off https post, and as the ssl library is now a $199
extra I am looking to do this from the command line. Does anyone have any
cross-platform experience of doing this?
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Using the curl command line tool seems to be easy and working well for
https and http posts - it is installed by default on linux and OSX machines
- how about windows?
put curl -d kwote(postData) someURL into someShell
put shell(someShell) into theResult
delete line 1 to 3 of
I am just starting work on a basic spreadsheet in Rev - I have a few
fragments but was wandering if anyone has some work they would be willing to
share?
The bits I have:
1. altTable like component with headers
2. data model
3. bits to read and write to OpenOffice documents
I don't have
Thanks for the lowdown Mark! It's a pity OSA didn't take off - I remember
having some success with coding JavaScript, AppleScript, and event tried but
failed some python I think all within Rev IDE (back when we had MetaCard),
its just that the incentives were not there for the language
Thanks Mark. In general you seem to be supporting the potential of this
path? It seems at this stage more promising than other stabs at this no -
say Open Scripting Architecture (OSA), and yes it means a lot more than just
a browser plugin - though i guess this would get most peoples attention
I have not looked at Function Point Analysis before - but reading up on it
makes doesn't leave a good taste. Research shows that a huge percentage of
initial requirements (ie function points) never reach the final product -
from memory and the published research I read on this last year this was
Whats a slam-dunk?
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More seriously
On 09/05/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But since most of my works spans multiple versions of products, I've
been fleshing out some internal tools for code base analysis,
What sort of tools are you thinking of here Richard? I am asking because I
still have
On 09/05/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
It started out with an interest in cyclomatic complexity, tailoring
McCabe's algorithm to be more appropriate for Rev (for example, I weight
send...in time since it's one of the few ways you can introduce race
conditions into Rev code, and
Well according to Peter Fisk (
http://vistasmalltalk.wordpress.com/2007/05/07/smalltalk-dlr-compiler/):
I have built a Smalltalk compiler for the DLR (Dynamic Language Runtime)
which is currently capable of processing arithmetic expressions. Smalltalk
is structurally a very simple language, and
How do I create a CGI that does nothing - from searching around I came
across the 204 HTTP Response code. So my basic question is how do I write
cgi's to return different HTTP response codes?
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HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text
then put your headers, then your actual data...
Cheers
andre
On Mar 27, 2007, at 9:42 AM, David Bovill wrote:
How do I create a CGI that does nothing - from searching around I came
across the 204 HTTP Response code. So my basic question is how do I
OK - thanks guys that fixed it:
on startup
put Hello world! into buffer
-- put HTTP/1.0 204 my descriptive text crlf
put Status: 204 my descriptive text CR
put Content-Type: text/html CR
put Content-Length: length(buffer) crlf crlf
put buffer
quit
end startup
I guess the
Yes - but I have two problems with that. Apart from not manageing yet to be
able to copy and paste text into an altBrowser window on Mac (still think
this should be possible by scripting focus issues) is that I can't do
transitions between movies. If somene has knowledge of how to do this inside
On 18/03/07, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'd wager that a first-year comp sci undergraduate with no prior knowledge
of xTalk could be sat down in front of the typical Revolution stack and
make
any updates required in the time it took for the other three routes to get
past the
My understanding is that QuickTime as used in Rev applications can handle
Flash tracks - but only Flash 5 tracks? Also there was a problem with the
fact that as of last September Flash track support was turned of by default
and needed to be manually reset by the user (ot sure if this is still the
On 16/03/07, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David,
1) Redevelop the software using standard web technology for which there
are
many developers available.
2) Buy a commercial package
3) Adopt a mixed open source strategy
Unfortunately I cannot agree with you on *ANY* of these
Thanks - good to know. And better to know it works on Windows :)
On 14/03/07, Terry Judd [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
From: David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: How to use Revolution use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Date: Wed, 14 Mar 2007 15:43:23 +0100
To: How to use Revolution use
Signe - while I'd agree with the purely technical advice given, I'd have to
be frank and say that I would never advise the University to do this. It
would be a waisted effort in my opinion for you or the university to spend
any further resources on software that neither has an internal developer
I still cannot figure out how to get copy and paste work between RunRev and
altBrowser?
Is this not possible? Or is it a case of being an OSX focus issue, whcih can
be got round with some scripting? I'd like to be able to transfer text
generated in RunRev or copied from another application to a
This is an important feature request - no?
I am not sure how to do this - I have suspected you may be able to do this
with some clever shell scripting - but not cracked it for things that you
need results from. You can put a shell into the background using ie
think, and you could look into the
A quick question: anyone know how to copy and paste from Rev to an html form
field in an altBrowser window?
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OK - i have been experimenting and am stuck. On OSX if I try to copy text
from an altBrowser window I cannot. If I use XBrowser_Get(selected,
browserID) I can if I am lucky get some text onto the clipboard but ony if
there is a div tag - and this wont hep with pasting.
Is it possible? I want to
I need a handler to convert a Rev date into ISO 8601?
From my library I have a rough and ready one to go the other way round:
on date_Convert8601 @revisionDate
-- was date_ConvertT
replace T with return in revisionDate
put line 1 of revisionDate into someDate
put line 2 of
Hi Klaus - I was just thinking someone out there must have a ready made
handler as it is real common format on the internet. I've given a go below -
I include some info for reference:
A common use could be []-[MM]-[DD]T[hh]:[mm]:[ss]±[hh]:[mm].
1981-04-05T14:30:30-05:00, for example.
Two
I am not sure if this is a problem with the XMLRPC library but I cannot send
a time to the web service which expects ISO
'time data did not match format: data=2007-03-07T21:28:44Z UTC
fmt=%Y%m%dT%H:%M:%S %Z'
And while the above is the correct ISO_8601 time I also tried the following
based
Thanks Bernard - I tracked down the problem based on your advice. It is that
there was an Apache redirect on the server and while without authentication
the url works fine with the XMLRPC library - turn on authentication and it
does not work - switching to alternate non-redirected url allows
I have a problem I can't track down that causes a reproducible crash with
altBrowser external on OSX (intel). It is a strange one to me as the browser
is initiated, and it resizes fine - plus my scripts can set the url. However
clicking on absolutely any link causes the crash.
Now this does not
The documentation is a bit sparse :)
In particular I need to authenticate the XMLRPC call using the normal
basic authentication - and I can find no way of doing it? Setting the
host to:
username:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
does not work.
I've asked before but got no reply - is anyone actually using
Hi Ben - hows Brighton?
Yes _ ia have been using CVS and Revolution from 1999 and switched to svn
last year. I have a library for controlling svn from within Rev and some GUI
work, integrated with a documentation web site. If you would like to check
this out contact me off list.
If you set the filename of image to a url what is actually happening? Is the
image loaded into the cache? Is there a way of getting the image contents
(to save to a file for instance) without actually fetching the image again
from the internet?
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I would like to be able to add a local image to the cache. I can unload the
image to remove it, and I guess (thugh not tried I can save the image as a
file and then load the file: - but is there some way to add an image in
memory to the libURL cache?
I am getting errors with fetching data from a web server. The symptoms
are:
On occassion put url someURL in someXML return empty - that is someXML is
empty. This happens when I click a couple of times on different items in the
GUI in succession resuling in an error.
I think though it is hard to
On 19/02/07, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I guess the short question is why add it to the cache?
If it is a local file, the access will be snappy, but if you want to
'preload', just put the image into a variable or custom property.
The GUI i am working on is one which fetches a lot of
Thanks - Ive added that check and so far so good.
I think it would be good to add libUrlResetAll - it would have saved me
from quiting and restarting a number of times? But thanks for documenting
and structuring the code so nicely!
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If you have a bunch of thumbnails that you are loading in the background and
you want to be able to make sure that a user click to see the full image is
prioritised is there anyway to do this except using a blocking command?
That is can you pause a(ll) load? If not is there a way of adding the
On 15/02/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How would the profiler fit in - I didn't even think the thing worked :)
Profiling wouldn't be part of a code base reporter per se, but it's a
great way to identify runtime bottlenecks.
MC's works, but its UI is ugly and it's painfully
I downloaded it Jacque - but having some problems using it - could it be
clashing with something - Galaxy? Or does it need to be opened in a certain
way?
On 16/02/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
J. Landman Gay wrote:
Richard Gaskin wrote:
Conceivably, MC's profiler could be
What could this be?
I have found that on occasion urls cease to work and this time rather than
quiting and starting again I took a look at what it could be... I found that
while some urls still worked a few returned very fast and empty - one of
them was an image and one www.google.com. Testig
To confirm - issueing libUrlResetAll fixes the problem.
But what is the problem ??? I am loading thumbnails into my application
asynchronously using the load with message command. As each thumbnail
comes over I get the url from the cache and put the data into the thumbnail
image finally
Thanks Ken! I will test your approach out against the quick hack that I have
in place and send you the pictures!
Just a note - but so far I the diagramming of the code is proving a lot more
useful than I thought. Just one glance picks up all sorts of things -
handlers which are not linked to any
On 15/02/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Got a
screenshot handy?
Here is an early one - this is the image export which I am working on
turning into an image map.
Better yet, will this be an open source tool? Perhaps there's a way it
could be modularized to incorporate other
Ah yes the link to an image - here is a large one that I was having problems
with earlier - but so far it is the only one online.
http://docs.rev-co.de/radial.png
The bits still missing apart from the the nested function problem is
handling sends and calls -- including getprop and setprop
Andre - where can I find RevOnRockets ? I cant reach
http://www.andregarzia.com?
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Anyone got a copy? Doing some CGI work and would like to take a look -
but there seems to be a DNS issue with
http://www.andregarzia.com/revwiki/page/RevOnRockets - maybe its
moving?
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That could not be the problem, because:
put the number of chars of someScript
set the script of scriptObject to empty -- exit here!
put someScript
The script could not be set to empty? Also I gave up trying to figure
may way round this and instead used the same scripts to set
I have a script which is trying to delete handlers from a library -
here are the lines that are not working:
put the script of scriptObject into someScript
delete char startChar to endChar of someScript
put the number of chars of someScript
set the script of
There are lots of time when you need to make these calculations - due
usually to information or interfaces provided by other software (often
defined primarily for print) - in my case I need to pass inches to the
shell and therefore convert to inches from the rect in Rev,
So the question is
On 06/02/07, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently, David Bovill wrote:
Here is an example:
http://docs.rev-co.de/radial.png
How do you intend to display this image? Do you show it at full size and
expect a user to scroll it around the screen, or do you scale it down?
Both
I have not had to do this before - or rather I tired once and failed -
but thought Id ask before trying again... essentially can a CGI
return an OK to the Rev client and continue with the execution of the
script? This would avoid the Rev client locking up waiting for the cgi
to return.
In my
No thanks a lot for the info!
In simple terms I have a piece of graphing software which I can
control in various ways - one is to set the size of the resulting
image. The image will be scaled proportionally to fit into this
size. Now the size is in inches so you can basically pass the
programme
Confirmed here - in general commandkey short cuts can stop working all
though they continue to work direct from the menu.
On 05/02/07, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mac OSX 10.4.8, Mac G5 dual processor, Rev Enteprise 2.7.2
This is probably the same bug reported before.
Previous bug
With the graphing application I have a problem i do not understand. With
smaller graphs everything is OK, but with large or rather wide graphs they
do not dislay correctly - I get coloured bands.
Has anyone else seen this - I do not think jpegs or other formats work much
better - they display
That sounds like the problem - is there a way around it - setting a
background colour?
Here is an example:
http://docs.rev-co.de/radial.png
On 05/02/07, Scott Rossi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently, David Bovill wrote:
With the graphing application I have a problem i do not understand
Well yes - the image example is 4772 x 1492. Ill try within 4096 - is there
a bug report - it would be good to know wha tthe maximum i can safely scale
the images to?
On 05/02/07, Sarah Reichelt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 2/6/07, David Bovill [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
With the graphing
Found it (bug report):
http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=4026
4091 is that the image
object displays a corrupt image.
And that seems to fix the problem. NB anyone know how to convert
inches to pixels? There is this Url: but I cant figure the dpi I need
it is not 72dpi...
Thanks a lot for the background and references Marielle. I'll take the tip
of working outwards, and read up a bit more on regular expressions - one
thing you mention which intrigues me is searching right to left... sounds
like a technique to be used in regexp - but how?
On 04/02/07, Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
David Bovill wrote:
The hard bit is to be able to match the function call...
What is this to be used for?
Its for graphing relationships between handlers. An itch I have been wanting
to scratch for a very long time now. A problem I have
I'll try this approach JIm - I am always surprised by how complicated stuff
can be analysed by the simple techniques you suggest!
On 03/02/07, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Or perhaps a cleaner implementation would be
get line x of fcnListing
replace ( with cr ( in it
replace ) with )cr
On 04/02/07, Jim Ault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
How are you tracking valid functions that have the same name yet different
locations?
If both functions that are named the same are in the path, the first will
trap a message (most frequent example is the mouseup). Does this get
graphed in your
I hope I got your question right - it is more abot an interface style to a
library than auto-detecting whether which format the data is in?
If so - arrays are a good bet, but in my opinion the most user friendly
approach is to create a model which deals with the functions and commands
for
I am not really sure - can you put it into a field and if it differs from
the original text value assume it is unicode, or maybe regEx looking for
some chars outside of the ascii range?
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Well inside Rev - I think that most users would like to use the htmlText.
From my point of view i would like to be able to do the following:
set the text of fld Title to the id3_Title of player 1
set the htmltext of fld Title to the id3_Title [htmlText] of player
1 -- (could have
Thanks guys!
Now I wonder which will be fastest:
get wordOffset(word1, tText)
if (it 0) AND (it = (wordOffset(word2, tText) - 1)) then
or
put space into P
put replaceText(once upon a time,\s+,P) into cleanVar
put Ponce uponP is in PcleanVarP = true
I am writing a handler to walk the script hierarchy - which means I have got
to get to the bottom of exactly how the message passing happens. My question
is basically how the hierarchy works exactly with front and backscript and
used stacks. The front go in the front, the used after the stack
That is a big difference!
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