What accounts for this tendency toward uncommonly large control sizes?
What tendency???
There isn't any such tendency, as far as I can see. None. Maybe its
something to do with Ubuntu and how they configure things out of the box?
Dunno. But it is not a factor in any distro I've used.
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Jacque, I don't understand this either. You gave me the suggestion a while
back, and I did install xfs, but it made no difference.
The thing I don't get is why all the other apps work fine, but Rev does not.
Is there not someone in the development group who could just tell us how Rev
handles
Now how does:
1. One find if these things; Pango, Xft, and so forth are present in a
system?
Use Synaptic and look them up - it will show you what's installed and what
is available.
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I checked and it is known to Synaptic as libpango, and its installed. With
quite a few subsidiary libraries. It probably came as a dependency with
Gtk, in which case most all distros will have it.
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Well, they are an interesting set of links!
It sounds like Ubuntu is now shipping their version of Gnome with too large
defaults, at least for some people, and that this can largely be dealt with
by correct choice of theme and fonts. Also that the size of the system bits
does not adjust for
This is what it does:
pe...@vv:~/3.5.0-gm-2$ ./revolution
Will try and use Shared Memory extensions
XVideo extensions available? : Yes
Will use X-Freetype font rendering
Using Pango complex text layout
then if you do 4.0 from the command line, the size is identical, and you get
this
Now this definitely falls in the category of, which is better? To know it
and not to need to know it? Or to need to know it, and not know it?
Richmond is to be thanked for a gem, which if we ever need to know it, we
can be sure we need to know it very badly indeed!
Richmond Mathewson-2
Here is a concrete example. I don't understand how Rev can be handling
fonts in such a way that this happens.
We open Rev, create a new stack, a new button, and then set the fonts. The
choices available in the 'i' category are these:
itwasntme
itc avantgarde
itc bookman
itc zapf chancery
Incidentally, for the sake of completeness, I tried with Geany (a standard
programmers text editor). Setting the preferences, it offers the same fonts
as OpenOffice. I think we would find if it was done in exhaustive detail
that all the other applications except Rev see the same fonts. The
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
Frankly, it looks as if the situation with fonts on Linux is in need of
some connsiderable sorting out - after all, it is not JUST RunRev that is
having trouble
finding all the fonts.
Yes, this is true, it is not completely satisfactory. That said
Its a nice idea, not sure whether it is correct, its getting more confusing
all the time.
If we try in OO, we have no avantgarde, and we don't have a simple bookman.
Instead we have a bunch of URW bookmans, and also a plain bookman old style.
Rev seems to have a plain old avantgarde, and
Richmond, I agree that explanations in terms of the font names doesn't seem
plausible. But there is another piece of the puzzle which makes me think it
could possibly be Debian (and by extension Ubuntu) related, and that is that
on my old Mandriva installation it did not seem to happen even back
I'm not sure we have a real definition of the problem. It seems that on
Debian based installs, some ways of installing fonts lead to Rev not being
able to see them. But what difference is there between a font installed as
part of the distribution, and one installed afterwords? Also, why is
I use Virtual Box, its free and works perfectly.
But I would never dream of not testing an app on a real physical machine, if
I were a professional developing for that platform.
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I, of course the ever- mac-evangelist (Yes I was on Guy's Evangel-list)
have put off my day of Windows reckoning until this moment, and cannot test
this out for myself. I am paying the price for my platform bigotry.
It makes no sense. Virtual machines are not good enough. If you want to
Steven, you don't have to buy a 'Dell'. You can buy a copy of XP for a few
tens of dollars and have a dual boot system. Its unbelievable to refuse,
for emotional reasons, to test on what you are going to deploy on. I don't
greatly care for Windows either - or Mac for that matter. But that
It must be the first mistake you make when writing your first Rev program -
at least, it was mine. On an old used donated celeron, I had written a
script that went through several thousands of lines and extracted sub totals
from tab delimited fields. As the file increased in size, the
I think you use freetds
http://www.freetds.org/
But more than that, how to do it, I don't know. You should be able to get
freetds from the Suse software repositories if using Andre's CD. It is a
series of command line utilities. How to use them, I don't know.
Well, one more thought that
Looking at the synaptic offerings for microsoft sql, there are a couple more
possibilities:
There is a Perl module, libdi-perl, about which the comments say
BI (DataBase Interface) is a Perl framework that provides a common interface
to access various backend databases in a uniform manner. DBD
Great work. I'll download and have a bash. Andre, we really owe you much
thanks for this work.
What we need now is for Rev to agree formally that this (or something else
if they prefer) is a reference distribution, and bring specification and
performance on this into line. Specification
We have a couple of completely clean installs of Debian (don't ask...), so
can have a go on one of them. Also I have someplace a Mandriva install, so
will try to dig it out and verify that again with 4.0. Give me a couple of
days, not moving very fast right now.
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I've got Andre's Suse based distribution but have not yet burned to usb and
fired up. However, thinking about this, there are some considerations
about a reference distro, which could be a very useful possible way out of
the Linux issues. Thoughts:
1) it needs to run Rev exactly as the
Andre, if its 900mb and rising, surely what's needed is Slax. They have a
build it yourself option, and I bet it could be brought in maybe under 300,
using their stuff. And that will include KDE as the DTE, complete with all
the tools. It starts out at only 200mb out of the box. Admittedly
Two problems.
First problem is in my Debian install, and here the problem is any sort of
printing. Print card, print field, page setup. As a for example, create a
field, select it (this is in the IDE) and select Print from the file menu.
There seem not to be any printers. But every other
If you want fairly small and light slackware based ones, Slax is very nice
and very easy to customize. It uses KDE as the DTE. Surprisingly fast.
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Indeed, this would be a great step forward, to have a gold standard linux
distribution plus Rev installation, then we would know for sure how it was
supposed to work and could work, and we'd know that any shortfalls were with
our particular installation. A live USB distro might be the most
Fantastic! What a guy! Not the least of the benefits is, we can find out by
the downloads just how many people are serious about Rev on Linux. We may
not like the answer, of course. But here's hoping!
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Andre, should you not move it to ibiblio or someplace? Or maybe Rev can
provide hosting? Or perhaps someone on the list has ideas. We must not
let you get hit for bandwidth for this.
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In Ubuntu, you don't do anything - the OS checks for updates and prompts the
user as needed, an experience very much like OS X.
Yes, of course standard Debian has an update manager which pops up, if you
want it to work that way. That's how you will get it out of the box. I
don't, I want to
There's a nice Slackware based educational distribution from Zenwalk. Very
worth a look. The Slack base makes it stable and fast. It is Xfce based
rather than Gnome.
The other one to consider is Skolelinux, aka Debian-EDU. This is Debian
Stable based. People don't realize that the main
The way you do Debian is, you stick with Stable, just getting the security
and occasional really major application updates, for around 2 years. This
is done with
apt-get update
apt-get upgrade
I do this every few months, and you get the base system and also the
packages updated.
enter 65421
return 65293
tab 65289
delete (backspace) 65288
delete 65535
Debian Linux with a mac aluminum keyboard, the full sized one, on Fluxbox.
With the and @ keys in the wrong places, and I can't be bothered to fix
it. Using Sarah's key coder application. Great help, that.
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Sarah says: Apart from one post by Richard, every post that I can remember
about Rev on Linux has been negative. This is not good for RunRev and not
fair to their customers.
I don't mean to be negative. I like Rev very much, the people have always
been very fair and helpful, the list is great.
I think RunRev needs to make more of an effort to keep the Linux version
in line with the others, or it should be dropped completely.
Yes, agreed, this was a well balanced and reasonable approach to the issue.
I would take issue a bit with some of the remarks by others on this thread
about
Hard to believe this is much of a commercial loss - if Rev doesn't run on it.
The thing first makes you go through the app store to get any apps available
for it or loaded on to it. You don't want to mess with the app store. Then
as a user you have to buy extra stuff to be able to connect even
I see no evidence that, for Rev as presently distributed, supporting multiple
distros is even a small part of the problem. The problem is not that rev
Browser fails to work on Slitaz. It is that it doesn't exist. The problem
with revPrintField is common to all distros that I have tried. The
Well, I don't share Richard's admiration for either Gnome or Ubuntu -
especially not for Ubuntu. And not for Gnome in its increasing incarnation
of the school of taking out all the useful functionality in order to make it
easier to use. But the question is, if you think it is taking excessive
Björnke
Yes, many thanks, it does work perfectly. But the tedium of it! I guess
one just uses cut and paste a lot. Really, you would think this should be a
standard feature. But you do notice that Rev seems peculiarly insensitive
to less than 20/20 vision. With a new wide screen I find
How do you raise the size of the font in dialog boxes, answer and ask, on
account of people not being able to see them very well? You can do this
somewhat by changing the size of the rev ui elements from the application
browser, but its one at a time, so very laborious, and also you don't seem
My main 'grunt' about RunRev on Linux has nothing to do with RunRev at
all: it is virtually impossible to install your own fonts in a place that
RunRev
will recognise them.
That too. Also virtual desktops don't work, revBrowser not available,
revPrintField doesn't work, no player for Linux,
Yes, tRev is just an example, I fully understand that it may well not make
any business sense for it to come in a Linux flavor. The point however
where this does become an issue for RunRev itself is when, after quite a few
of these entirely reasonable choices by the individuals concerned, the
Extra bonus points: what shell calls would I use to get this info on
Linux? I think I have the Windows side of things down, but I'll need to
work out the Linux side soon.
Richard, have you tried blkid?
http://linux.die.net/man/8/blkid
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Bernard, many thanks. Its a nice generalizable method. This was
surprisingly tricky to do despite being very simple as a method.
As well as this problem, there was also the problem of actually geting hex 7
into a text file, and it turned out that for some unclear reason, ghex would
not do
Sorry not to be able to find the thread on nabble. Anyway, this is what we
use, and it does do pdf 417 with the appropriate backend.
Here is the main site
http://www.kbarcode.net/Home.4.0.html
and backends
http://www.kbarcode.net/Barcode-Backends.26.0.html
Of course, you do have to be
How do you put quoted strings into a shell command?
As in, for instance,
put shell(echo -e [quoted string] [some raw printer])
I have tried using double quotes, which the compiler won't accept, and
single quotes, which do not seem to be passed through. This is once again
in pursuit
David, problem is, it will not let you use double quotes. So for instance
put shell(echo -e \x1C usb/dev/lp0)
will not compile, because of the double quotes. Then if you replace the
innermost double quotes with single quotes, it compiles fine, and it works
fine from the shell, but
Just for the sake of completeness, something probably most people here know,
but in case some other luckless amateur ends up struggling with this again,
there is at least one other way of doing this.
The first way was to edit a text file using a hex editor, then use a shell
command that uses the
And by the way, one last thing. When you do this, permissions will stop
ordinary users from addressing lp0. Which obviously you will tell by
trying out the command from the terminal and discovering that it works with
su but not as ordinary user. And putting the user into the lp group with
Well, thank you all for your help, and yes, it is licked, the hex that is!
What to do is, get a hex editor, I used ghex but there seem to be a huge
number out there. Then you just insert the hex characters into a text
file. ghex is very convenient because you can either type them in as hex
Yes, its Debian. at the moment its Squeeze. Haven't tried on anything else
yet. It turns out to happen only in the IDE, but it happens with
development tools turned off and just about everything changed one way or
the other that I could think of. But it was a great relief to finally
discover
How does one change the size of the font in the dictionary? To make it
several sizes larger?
Peter
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put shell()
should bring up the message box, showing the last command exectuted from it
(and not the command that was executed by the shell() step in the script?
I've been racking my brains for an hour or more, trying just about
everything I can think of, and
I need to send a plain ascii text file to a printer, which is going to be
done, let's assume the file is printest, with
cat printest/dev/usb/lp0
Which just dumps the text file to that device. There might be other ways
to do it, but that is verified to work.
For this to do some other
, 2009 at 7:53 PM, Peter Alcibiades
palcibiades-fi...@yahoo.co.uk wrote:
I need to send a plain ascii text file to a printer, which is going to be
done, let's assume the file is printest, with
cat printest/dev/usb/lp0
Which just dumps the text file to that device. There might be other
Andre Garzia-3 wrote:
here, due to law, if a software is to interface with a
receipt printer, then you need to approve your software with the
goverment..Is this so in other countries?
Andre
Not in the UK. You will have to comply as a business with the various sale
of goods
What is needed is a rev plug-in for Geany, Kate, or maybe even Eclipse, not
that I've ever used this last. Or for tRev to come out with a Linux
version, but obviously that is not going to happen. Geany would be nice
because it is thoroughly cross platform as well as being a fine editor.
Peter
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
..However, I was trying to find a way, in Mac OS X, to print directly
from
a field to a PDF file.
Richmond, have you thought of going out to shell and chaining some of the
commands together? This is what I've usually found it necessary to do. So
Problem is, as usual with host based printers, no drivers, or no usable
drivers for Mac or Unix.
However all that needs to be printed in this case is strings of ascii
characters, no formatting at all is needed and font is not important,
whatever the shell uses as default will be just fine.
Josep, I have never used VBS so cannot help. In the Unices, apparently you
can do stuff like
cat somefile lp0
or maybe
lp -d printername sometextfile.txt
after you get the printer set up as raw in CUPS. If you don't have drivers
of course you will just get a raw text dump. If all you
Discover that printing still don't work properly with 4.0, which is very,
very annoying. The first time this became apparent was on Debian Etch. It
then didn't work on Lenny when it was Testing, and it didn't work on Lenny
after it became Stable, and now that we are on Squeeze and Rev is on
Is the aim to have a version you can take with you and use wherever you are?
Or is the aim to be able to use the IDE from any computer you find around,
without rebooting?
If the first, then how about taking a portable minimalist linux distro with
you? Puppy, for instance, or Slax? Then boot
Alejandro, what is the problem exactly? To try to find out, I copied my
Media folder to a usb stick, and ran it just now. Seemed to run just fine.
The Media folder was just the result of downloading and, don't recall
exactly, but think it needed to be unpacked and have the registration code
Anyone with an interest in app usability and the desktop should take a look
at the latest KDE release. The Kubuntu live version is a reasonable
source. It is very different indeed. Easy to use once learned, not
necessarily instantly inutuitive ways of working. But what is funny is,
once
bForking It/b
Richard asks on another thread (not yet on Nabble, which quite often seems
to run late) whether there is any way of being Open Source and not having
forking.
No, definitely not. As soon as you have any such restriction, you have
left Open Source.
And this is fundamental to
I think the underlying issue is this. If you are entering an open source
project with the idea that it is either desirable or possible to prevent
forking, you are in the wrong place. Its not that open source is the bees'
knees necessarily, but it is what it is, and its the essence of it that
Richmond, I am no expert, but isn't it a matter of the GPL? If its released
under the GPL, and if source is supplied on demand, its open source. Now it
may have been written in a proprietary language, but I think that is
technically allowed. Though there will be those who will object, and this
Richmond has a point, though, when he says: to describe something which is
written using a proprietary language and/or IDE as Open Source is
potentially misleading
Open source is not about what it runs on. The main point of open source is
that the source code shall be available, and
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
(Humpf, no Linux).
jshot
recordMyDesktop
ZScreen
Wink
Shutter
xvidcap
Greenshot
Shutter (said to be the best)
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I have a copy, but health difficulties have prevented me from doing anything
much besides firing it up (in Debian Squeeze). Which seemed superficially
fine. Maybe will get further in the next few weeks.
Peter
Andre Garzia-3 wrote:
Hello Folks,
Can anyone tell me if SQL Yoga will work
Neat, very neat. I have a couple of old compaqs around, and will have a go
on one. Thanks.
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
Luckily I found this:
http://www.snippety.org/articles/2008/01/14/headless-compaq-desktop-boot-without-a-keyboard-attached/
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I thought Linux didn't have a specific location for preferences in
that way?
No, it does not. They are per user. Put them in
/home/user/.myapp
the dot to keep invisible. Have a look at /home/user/.kde for an example.
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pp 26-54, Chapter 3, of the O'Reilly book 'Sed and Awk'.
Graham Samuel-4 wrote:
can anyone suggest a concise primer that will help me
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How often do you use emacs?
Never, but I used vi a couple of days ago. What else to use when you have
to edit etc/fstab on a system that will not boot into X?
Once you have learned it for that purpose, you find it surprisingly usable
for others But the editor I
Might want to check anacron and fcron also - if you are not sure of having
the machine turned on at the exact time the background app tries to run, and
don't want to miss a cycle because of that. fcron is a better anacron. I
have used fcron with Sarah's emailer to send a backup email with
Jerry, is this confined to Mac and Vista because you don't feel able to
support it also on Win7 or XP or Linux, or is it because it actually will
not run on them?
Not surely an unreasonable question about something which is promoted so
heavily on the general mailing list for what is supposed
who want another editor?
MICRO SMALL. This is simple economics. Really.
Best,
Jerry Daniels
Watch tRev - The Movie
http://reveditor.com/trev-the-movie
On Sep 26, 2009, at 3:09 AM, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
Jerry, is this confined to Mac and Vista because you don't feel able
Don't know much about Windows command line, but if you can reset the screen
from it, you could use shell() to run a shell script on open stack, and
then reset it back with another on close stack. Mostly when I can't figure
out how to get it done in Rev, the shell comes to the rescue. Or maybe
If its single user, which it likely will be on a netbook, put the app in a
folder in /home/user, and put the prefs and the data in that same folder.
If you want to make the prefs invisible make them , eg, .myapppreferences.
But this does mean that only that user will have access to the app.
If
Sorry to ask what may be a silly question. I've been unwell again for some
time and am just recovering. Has V4 been released in the meantime, and if
so, what's the download link for it? Thanks, Peter
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Jerry, I'm still puzzled about this. Is it a Rev stack? And if so, why
won't it run on Linux? When you go to the buy page, you don't seem to have
to specify a Windows or a Mac version, it seems like one size fits both.
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Leave it in. If I were doing stuff in education, I'd want it. Leaving it
out is just an attempt to irritate the user. People don't upgrade because
they are irritated, but because they are pleased. When they get irritated,
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Trevor, what are the system requirements?
Peter
Trevor DeVore wrote:
In September Blue Mango Learning Systems will be releasing a database
library that will change how you work with databases in Revolution.
Join us Wednesday for a webinar where we will introduce SQL Yoga and
Richmond, don't you want cups-pdf if its Ubuntu? Its real simple. Just
gives you a virtual printer which is a file. Or is there something else?
Peter
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
Print to PDF?
I think I am reinventing the wheel . . .
advice welcomed.
No, by all means warn them, but the warning should be something like, the
project leader has been having problems for a while. The team has finally
come to the point of action and is acting to get the situation resolved and
take things forward - probably in the end without him. Something to be
They'll work through it. Sad as it is, the team should have taken action
quite a while ago - well, they apparently did take some sort of action quite
a while back, but didn't do it forcefully or urgently enough. In a month or
so, the thing will probably be resolved and with more precautions to
No real reason why it should run on Linux of course. But what would be
really nice for us would be some way of integrating our favorite editor into
rev. My own choice is Geany, but Kate or Gedit would also be fine, or at a
pinch even Vim. I have tried Ken's program, but can't get it to work,
One does hope the Bulgarians appreciate what Richmond is doing. Its really
impressive, how to do wonders in educational terms on an absolute shoe
string. Well, whether or not the Bulgarians as a whole do, the children
and their parents certainly will look back later and realize how lucky they
unless the trend reverses itself there may come a point where
even free systems which are sole-source proprietary technologies will
eventually be struggling.
Yes, agreed. In fact, agreed with much of this interesting post.
The driver is going to be the risk of having orphaned data. It can
in Linux
usage: xrandr [options]
where options are:
-display display or -d display
-help
-o normal,inverted,left,right,0,1,2,3
or --orientation normal,inverted,left,right,0,1,2,3
-qor --query
-s size/widthxheight or --size size/widthxheight
-r rate or --rate
While we are waiting for Beta...
When you go to Edinburgh, you're visiting Scotland, but you are visiting
Lowland Scotland. Historically Scotland has been two cultures, the culture
of the lowland cities, commercial, financial, manufacturing and oriented to
England. This was the Whiggish part
Eric, you are right. This is really very strange, and Rev should do
something about this. It needs to be either verified and fixed, or else
marked as non-reproducible. Its very basic functionality.
Éric Miclo wrote:
It seems that Linux (as well as text field or correcting some
In Linux, print card mostly seems to work, though on one distro it fails in
exactly the way Scott notices - no print dialogue, no result. The page
setup and print card commands fail to find a printer, though the printer is
visible to and usable by every other installed application, which means
I filed this to ask for 'replace' to have an additional option - to work
like the Sed /s command. If you aren't familiar with this relic
s/oldtext/newtext/
will replace only the first occurrence of oldtext in a line. In all lines
of the file, or the specified subset of the file.
Well, I am trying to watch it in Linux. It does play, both in Konqueror and
Firefox, but I'm not getting any sound, and the slowness of the thing is
driving me crazy! Maybe I don't have sound set up correctly, who knows.
Is there a transcript? Or some way to speed the thing up?
I'm hoping
Malte, Is it 64bit Ubuntu? And are there other errors if you do cat
.xsession-errors?
Peter
Malte Brill wrote:
Hi,
can anyone make sense out of this?
/usr/lib/gtk-2.0/2.10.0/engines/libqtcurve.so: wrong ELF class:
ELFCLASS6
This pops up in the shell after starting a standalone
http://www.eif.co.uk/visiting-edinburgh/where-stay/where-stay
This seems to be the successor of the old Festival Office accomodation
service. I notice they offer university hall of residence accomodation as
well as private houses.
Richmond Mathewson-2 wrote:
You wouldn't happen to have
I had a similar issue (not with Rev funnily enough however!) and think its
due to something about 64bit Debian derivatives and gtk. These now seem to
have stopped, probably with the latest update, and the errors now are to do
with Pidgin and Thunderbird. Not even installed. I just send them to
We used to find Festival BBs through the Festival Office, which ran a sort
of clearing house. Scottish landladies in immaculate houses serving
enormous breakfasts with bacon and eggs and oatcakes. Don't know if the
Festival Office still does that.
It would also be worth going outside
How would you do the following in Rev?
We have a file consisting of records with tab separated fields. Each field
has a tag followed by contents. Some tags occur more than once in some
records which thus have varying numbers of fields. Duplicates are always
consecutive. I want to eliminate
Andre, I will have a go. Promise.
Meanwhile, Jan was kind enough to let me have a bash at a prerelease copy of
Quartam for Linux, so there are now two new avenues to work on.
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