Not on a Mac, but on Linux, but the issue might be the same.
The problem might be the start/stop character. When you use a TT barcode font
you have to manually put in the start/stop character. In Windows it is ! and
in Linux its *.
I've done this fine with a 3of9 free font from
Why does it matter? May be missing the point? There is still a plugin, you
can still use it, no? Its still supported by who look like a competent team.
What would the marketing message be, were one to try to exploit this?
On the implied issue in the background here, its not clear that
Yes, its 2.9 Beta for Linux. It will not be necessary to say more. It will
not be possible anyway, since I'm off to play with it.
This is great news, thanks and congratulations to everyone.
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On Linux you end up with two distinct files, the main and the sub.
This isn't what worries me however. At the moment, the data file in one case
is getting to a few tens of thousands of records, and I am seriously worried
about robustness if either stored in a stack or exported to a csv file.
Joking apart, there is a very serious question about this for Linux users. I
mean, those of us on Linux exclusively, not those who have the Linux version
incidentally as part of the Enterprise package.
2.6.1 was great in its day, but the alternatives have moved on a lot in two
years. As
As Wittgenstein memorably said, or maybe it is what he memorably should have
said, or maybe it was R D Laing who memorably said it:
If you can't say it, you can't say it - and you can't dance it either.
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Bill writes
This would be for Mac and Windows now and Linux when
Rev 2.9 comes out
Maybe use Mutt or Metamail from the shell, and not have to wait?
http://www.shelldorado.com/articles/mailattachments.html
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The thing I would love to know is: how do you reply to a post and make it
threaded? If you get the digest, and if you do Re: - as done above,
then it appears as a new thread.
There must be some way to make your replies appear in the right threads, while
replying to posts from the digest
Andre, that was pure genius with Xvfb! Amazing!
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The only problem is that if I publish a stack, it won't work for anyone who
doesn't have version 2.8.1
I wouldn't worry about it. There can be very few people who are using Linux
exclusively and so are limited to 2.6.1.
For us, either the update to 2.9 is going to come soon, in
Windows and Mac only, of course.
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I downloaded, and got the message 'problem opening this stack' when opening
from within Rev, and it doesn't offer the choice of Rev86 as an option to use
when opening, if you right click. Usually this means that its not compatible
with 2.6.1. Well, that's always been the problem. Pity,
Lynn,
Is the Rev version for Linux going to be compatible with both 2.6.1 and also
2.9, whenever 2.9 for Linux comes out? And I assume that if it is Ubuntu
compatible it will work on any Debian based distribution? How about rpm
based ones too, such as PCL?
Thanks
Peter
Oh dear, I have been biting my tongue for days on this one. And if only the
thread would stop, I'd have succeeded in keeping quiet!
Look, here is what I don't get: the combination of poor organizations,
running Rev, and Minis. In fact, it seems positively grotesque.
If what you want is to
Yes, its looking very good. It was getting to be essential to have some
communication on it, and this is most encouraging.
The Gtk dialogues will greatly improve the end user experience. Looking
forward to this one. Thanks to Heather for the update.
Peter
To install new software, you would normally use Synaptic - Elive is standard
Debian. Its in the control panel (the one part of Elive that I find
aesthetically really jarring).
The interesting question raised is about usability. E17 is very
different from the standard model.
The
Its commonly said that running OSX on a non-Apple branded box would be running
it not legally. But this is not true of course. It would be running it in
violation of the Eula - but there is nothing illegal about this.
It might be in violation of a valid contract, which is quite a different
Hi Bill,
We note that you have:
-- XP Pro
-- Vista
-- MacOS
on your desk, and that's great. But, echoing Sherlock Holmes:
Did you notice, Watson, the curious thing about the Linux on Bill's desk?
But, Holmes, there was no Linux on Bill's desk.
No my dear Watson, and that is the curious
The direct download link, or one of them, is:
ftp://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/pub/linux/Elive/.jeacmuvUch0/Elive_1.0_Gem.iso
I agree to some extent - the request for donation or contribution could be
done rather better, and there's been some correspondence about this on
distrowatch and OSNews. But I
For anyone curious about Linux, and who has not yet gone beyond Ubuntu,
elive, one of my favourite projects, has just reached their 1.0 release.
This is about as amazing a visual and desktop experience as you can get, and
what you might have expected from a developer with the name of
Richmond -
Q: What does it have that Ubuntu with E17 doesn't?
A: Thanatermesis!
I notice that they are asking for a small donation for the download - which
I'm happy to give as recognition for having got to 1.0, since I've a soft
spot for them, and think its amazing what they have done
Yes, the same thing works in Linux standalones compiled in Linux. You just
open the 'other' file, the non-splash substack, in the IDE. Then save, no
need to recompile.
Doesn't work for the main stack of course. But who cares, since it only calls
the substack which does all the work. Very
Guys (Jacque and Ken) -
Thanks so much for immediately sending an 'classic' version. Its typical of
what makes the list such a pleasure!
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You know, I was looking forward to this one. I've wondered how to implement
it, and here was a case where an expert had done it, so there would be
something to learn. So I downloaded and prepared to study.
However, it being in 2.7+, the stack is inaccessible to Linux users, who are
still
I would install a honeypot using Schroder as a guide. Log everything. Get
the important stuff off wireless. It will be instructive, and you'll find
out.
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It would be better not to indulge in any more personal attacks on people, the
state of their software, their color sense, or attack the categories you
think they belong to. This is where we came in, and it led to a mess.
It is completely unhelpful.
What would be very helpful is if Rev felt
Is there a model or models for documentation?
Yes, there are several in the world of Python. Hetland's book
Beginning Python from Novice to Professional
is a model of how to do it for quite a wide range of people. It has the
quality which Judy Perry speaks of: nothing is introduced without
Very nice. Have only played with the demo, not used it in anger, but it looks
great: does one small thing, and does it perfectly. Well, maybe not
perfectly, but very well.
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comes out soon it won't be an issue. If its much longer delayed, it is.
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access through a firewall to OSX in the absence of physical access?
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Dom writes
I tried to download some stacks from the user spaces -- works almost
always flawlessly, but in some cases no stack is downloaded, with no
warning...
Is this because the stacks are written in a later version, ie 2.7 or later?
This has always been the explanation when its happened to
Dom writes
I tried to download some stacks from the user spaces -- works almost
always flawlessly, but in some cases no stack is downloaded, with no
warning...
Is this because the stacks are written in a later version, ie 2.7 or later?
This has always been the explanation when its happened to
David, do you have wifi? Its surely the only plausible way of getting root
access through a firewall to OSX in the absence of physical access?
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The great Carla Schroder has a very amusing and practical couple of articles
on how to not only secure your wireless, but by a bit of tinkering, to track
whether anyone is interested and have a bit of fun at the same time.
Peter
Not exactly sure what you want to do but
http://www.fefe.de/ncp/
and woof
might be interesting. You need Python installed for woof. I was thinking
about using woof over a LAN, but on the whole a usb stick seemed it would
take less of a toll on the users
Peter
End of the day, you can call me and my platform all the names you want.
Half-baked, hobbyist, socialist, whatever. Doesn't help a bit.
Bottom line is, we're two releases back and incompatible formats. I've
signed up twice now for non-existent betas and once bought a package that
didn't
Scott writes:-
Two thumbs up for commercial solutions and not some half baked, half whacked,
half completed and half bug tested open source solution that the author
may or may not get back to finishing one of these days... maybe...if I feel
like it, which phase is the moon in, who won the world
The reason for the economic power of the open source model is the possibility
of derivative works.
This is the underlying reason why, were one consulting to Rev, it would be one
alternative one would advise exploring in depth. Not necessarily going down
that route in the end. But certainly
Look, I don't want to get us off into off-topic flame wars, and I don't think
necessarily that going Open Source is the answer for Rev, or that it would
have been for HC. Its worth serious consideration is all I would argue.
But you have to say that these remarks really misrepresent the Open
David writes: Both are much much harder in my environment with a pure closed
source solution - and it is getting harder.
The issue really is powerlessness, not just against the supplier, but against
events beyond the control of the supplier. Hypercard showed one form of this
very clearly.
Yes, this is another vote for sdb! Do we need to make a small contribution to
get it hosted someplace? You can't whet our appetite and then not let us
have a try!
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Maybe silly question, but is there any way to do threading properly if you are
reading the list from the archive? I've been unable to get the list mailings
through my ISPs spam filter, so read the archive on the web. But when you
respond, even if you use the right subject header, or put re in
Well first of all, thanks yet again to Jacque for Find and Mark and Scroll
through - wonderful, thanks! Another of these things which are totally
obvious the minute you read them, and which you would never have found for
yourself.
Here is what I don't get though about Richard's approach.
And think about it: since every Rev object has multiple property sets,
and a stack can have any number of cards, and cards can have groups,
etc. -- all this means you can have richly hierarchically-ordered data
sets using just custom properties. Hierarchies reflect much of the
world's
Hi all,
I have created an sqlite database with that wonderful tool, sqlitebrowser, and
got my data into it by hacking it into a csv import with regular expressions.
So far so good.
Now, how do I connect to it from rev? The revdb commands only seem to work
with Mysql. Do I have to go out
Chipp, I think you may be drawing the wrong lesson. Of course the bug you
mention is not useful. The problem is that the database contains it. That
tells you something. Bill's remark, that the database contains lots of stuff
that is already fixed also tells you something. Its good news and
Just one observation: as far as Linux users are concerned, it has not yet
started. Now, if you're on Mac or Windows, apart from the fairly small
limitation of not being able to compile in 2.7 mode for Linux, you are
basically OK. You might have issues about quality, but you're getting
I can view it but not go to it. Is this due to being on 2.6.1 Linux?
Peter
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Lex lite, using the Via C3 processor.
Not cheap, not fast (500mhz in the fanless form). But, you can run it off a
compact flash card, you could as Bob says put Puppy or DSL or a stripped down
Debian with Fluxbox on it, or Fluxbuntu. You could net boot it. And its
small. External psu,
Anyone else tried this? Doesn't work for me.
http://www.valentina-db.com/download/v4rev_3b1_lin.tar.gz
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Thanks for the link. I always read license agreements before installing, and
came on the following:
EXPRESS LIMITATIONS ON WORKS THAT CONVERT VALENTINA DATABASES.
If your Work includes the ability to extract data from a Valentina Database
and then transform, translate or convert the
Years ago at a now forgotten company a whimsical older manager was starting up
a first class on databases. What, he asked, is the most important thing to
consider when inputting data into an application?
We young fellows stumbled around for a while, as you can imagine. Finally he
delivered
We print on A4 sheets of labels using a standard laser printer (kyocera), and
use two ways.
Method A is use a barcode and label generation package. kbarcode is an
example that is free under linux, but there are others that do the same thing
under other systems. What you get here is (i) the
Jacque wrote:
Do Linux apps ever invent their own interface
entirely, or do they tend to stick to one of the various distro
conventions? (Would it matter, for example, if my answer dialog was
bright pink and had its OK and Cancel buttons at the top?)
Cautiously, because I'm not a developer
Does the Rev engine provide a way to determine which window manager it's
running under in Linux?
If not, how can we reconcile this issue if we want to deploy our apps to
either window manager?
Consider the environment your users are in, and don't worry about it - just
adopt one style or the
But Richard, my point is a slightly different one. Leave aside what we think
of HIGs - my own reaction to the Gnome guys, unlike yours, is total
incomprehension. But leave this aside.
This isn't really the issue. The issue is, even if you are using Ubuntu, and
are using Gnome, odds are you
Sounds like it would be best to roll your own by sending a command to the
shell. If you can control the platform its running on, this will be reliable
and do exactly what you specify?
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I reported this as a bug, #4693. But if anyone wants to do emailing in anger
on Linux, the right thing is probably to use the shell mail command, which is
documented at
http://www.onlamp.com/linux/cmd/cmd.csp?path=m/mail.
Its easy to see why mailto will not work very reliably if you have a
I got the attached from the dictionary, cut and pasted it, and only changed it
to make Field1 a real reference to a real field on the test card. When I use
it, the first thing that happens is Firefox opens. Then Kmail opens. It
shows [EMAIL PROTECTED] as the address, but nothing else is put
The only part of this I'm certain of is the desktop icon/link
In terms of icons on desktops, it is not the window manager that counts. If
you put the application into /opt and put an link and associated icon
into /home/user/Desktop, in whatever WM they are using, if it supports icons
on
http://standards.freedesktop.org/menu-spec/latest/
is probably the first place to go for how to do menus independently of WMs.
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Is it possible to use the revMail command so as to send not just an email, but
the email with an attached file?
My app is doing backups of the data file on the local machine, but it would be
really neat to be able to send a backup automatically by email to an offsite
machine. Save a lot of
Jacque wrote:
It would be great, if you know it, to hear whether there are any
universal fonts or font settings across distros. I think the font issue
is one of the biggest that cross-platform stack developers would need to
address.
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Yes, fonts are an issue. In rev itself, on Debian, fonts don't seem to work
completely properly. But yet they work just fine on Mandriva. I don't know
why. Its not surprising there is an issue with compiled applications in some
distros.
My own little app, its written on Debian and then
I was emboldened to write this by Ken Ray's post - otherwise I'd have felt I
was teaching my grandmother Hope it helps anyone who is sophisicated in
rev but naive in Linux.
Peter
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The thing to understand first is the
I forgot to mention one other very important aspect of the Linux environment:
forking. Because its all GPL, the source code is out there. If a team or
person doesn't take 'their' program where users want it to go, or think it
can or should go, they can just take the code and do it themselves.
I checked to be sure. Started up Gnome, KDE and Windowmaker and fired up Rev
and the same stack in them all.
What happens is that the borders and window colors change according to the
environment. So if, for instance, you've set your KDE theme to Sun, you'll
see the purple surround on the
I do understand Richard's point of view about Linux, though without sharing
it, but if you all are not Linux users, but increasingly perhaps write for
them, you should be aware that there is a very distinctly different point of
view among a large section of them.
This point of view feels that
Can you do it with a text editor and regular expressions? I'm genuinely
diffident about asking, because you all have so much more experience that if
it were this easy, you'd have suggested it. But anyway, is there something
wrong with the following?
I made up a fragment of a file like this
The problem with running on MacIntels in Parallels is, that virtualisation on
Macs cannot be the future Linux market for Rev. The market has to be,
assuming it exists, people running Linux on off-the-shelf PCs.
So I would get a cheap base unit and a kvm, and put a few distros on in
multiboot
There is a wonderful book I just found for this sort of thing, and am working
through: Minimal Perl, by Tim Maher.
Awk is great, terse, powerful, but a bit opaque. And more up to date people
always seem to talk about using Perl for what awk always was used for. Well,
if you ever felt you
No, I use Debian (and Mandriva 2006 on end user machines, though come upgrade
time I'll probably move them to PCLinux).
Tried Ubuntu without being impressed. But it depends what you are looking
for - Ubuntu gives you the end user commercial OS experience - take it out of
the box and they
How do you make a scrollbar work on a disabled field? The user should be able
to scroll up and down to review the contents, which are periodically updated
from another part of the wood, but not be able to select or edit them. But
it seems that picking disabled from properties prevents this.
On Sunday 18 March 2007 08:05, Peter Alcibiades wrote:
How do you make a scrollbar work on a disabled field?
Sorry, very silly question. You do it by lock text property and enabling the
field of course
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A lot of the problem is communication.
Linux is still on 2.6.1, unable to open current format stacks, no altsqlite,
no altbrowser or altfont. No Valentina of course. No Media. Meanwhile the
other platforms have moved on a couple of releases. The last post on the
forums was November,
Yes, good questions all! It would be really nice to have some communication,
if only of the form, its difficult, and we are thinking what to do about
Linux.
You don't have to have a Linux version. It would be quite understandable not
to. It doesn't have to be exactly in step either. But
I'd like to do the following. If 000 is typed at superhuman speed, only the
first 0 should make it into a field. But if 000 is typed at normal human
rates, all three should.
Can you think of any way to do this?
The problem is a keypad with a 000 key right next to the 0 key. All it does
is
On Wednesday 07 March 2007 18:10, Jim Ault wrote:
Try trapping the 'rawkey down' code for the '000' and see if you can just
substitute the '0'
This is my problem, I can't figure how to do this. Because I've used xev to
find the keycodes, and what is happening is, 0 sends 90, and 000 sends 90
- gTicksLastGoodKey
if it gMinKeyDelay -- too short, don't pass the keystroke
else
put the ticks into gTicksLastGoodKey
pass rawkeydown
end if
end rawkd
Jim Ault
Las Vegas
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On Wednesday 07 March 2007 18:10, Jim Ault wrote:
Try
In my own dream, I did it too, and a few days later MS showed up with a writ
summoning me to court for my crimes and misdemeanors. I publicized the event
massively. There was a huge groundswell of support which bought me the most
expensive lawyers in the EC, and when the case came to trial it
I doubt whether the restrictions on virtualisation are valid and legally
enforceable.
If you have bought a retail copy of Vista, I believe MS will have no legal
authority to tell you what you can and cannot run it on. This is because, at
least in the EU, post sales restrictions on use are
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/307021
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/288215
It evidently can be done.
On Friday 02 March 2007 19:58, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Jim Ault wrote:
As far as I know, there is nothing in Rev that would easily allow an xls
format to be written, even with binary
Joe, go to www.distrowatch.com for more enlightenment.
I'm less enthusiastic about Ubuntu than Richard, preferring the Debian that it
is based on. Some distributions:
When you know what you want: Debian.
For beginners - PCLinux
For minimalists or those wanting to learn Linux in detail:
This is perfect - clear succinct and very useful, and exactly what naive users
mean when they find the documentation a little sketchy. Its having to work
out stuff like this by hand from the dictionary and then get it down in notes
someplace. Thanks.
But... why not get it into the online
Thanks very much for the replies.
After trying some of this, and after some help from the kbarcode author, it
seems to be down to how I was saving copying and printing.
Maybe this will be useful to someone else struggling with this stuff.
Kbarcode is a wonderful tool - it generates codes of
OK, victory! In the interests of saving anyone else a struggle...
When, in Linux, you install a bar code font into OO using spadmin, it doesn't
work. The font looks like it is there but it isn't. What you have to use is
kfontview. This less than obvious tool opens up a window so small that
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Wonder whether someone with experience of bar codes could help with this -
Sarah??
My bar code reading app now finally seems to work, and the reader is on a Y
connection with the keyboard (so called Wedge). All the commercially printed
codes I've tried work fine, even the most tiny ones, or
Jim Ault writes:
I have uploaded a stack (Rev 2.7.2) in the following user area
jault - Custom Property Examples
Would it be possible to make this available in 2.6.1 version? This is the
only version those of us using Linux have access to. Private email
attachment would be fine too.
Peter
OK, did all this to the best of my ability.
1) Put the downloaded file into an Externals folder in the top level Rev
folder. The file is SQLite3Demo-1.rev. Is this what it should be? Its what
there was to download.
2) Start up Rev, new mainstack.
3) set externals of the stack to the
No, it doesn't work.
The file will not open from within Rev. The file will not run as a shell
script. Yes, I have set it to executable, and yes I have tried as root and
as root in root's environment.
Is this possibly due to the install being 64bit Linux? I will have a go on a
32 bit
Its not 32 vs 64 bit. Same exact message, unable to execute binary. Still on
Debian Etch, but this one is 32bit on a laptop.
Maybe I'm doing something wrong with invoking it? I just cd to the directory,
which is the Externals directory I created in the Rev top level directory,
and then do
On Saturday 27 January 2007 13:07, Andre Garzia wrote:
Peter,
go to your message box in rev and type:
answer file where's it?; go stack it
then select your SQLite3Demo.rev.
Andre, thanks for the suggestion, did this.
The response is, not a stack. Which tallies with what Rev says, that
It would be very nice if someone could post some instructions, even one or two
lines, on how to (a) install these things (b) use them, under Linux. The
Linux versions consist of three .rev files. The documentation tells you what
to do with either the Windows or the Mac versions, but there are
One other thing I tried was to open them from within Rev. You can't.
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And another thing was, open a stack, then set the externals of the stack to
one of them using the properties popup. This was sqlite. Again, no effect
that I can see. Maybe if there is a user guide someplace on the commands it
would be possible to try sending a few commands to the external
Has anyone got them to work, and if so how?
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Many thanks, very helpful comments, and thanks especially for pointing out
some of the pitfalls.
Peter
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Feels like a very silly question, but it is stumping me.
How do I use 'find' to find '4' when it occurs by itself but not 4 when it
occurs in '4.1', when searching the contents of a field?
I have a field with tab separated values in the form
1 1234
2 2.56
3 4.1
4 9.274
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