Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
Hi Richard,
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:36:56 -0700
From: Richard Gaskin [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2.5 cursor change
Judy Perry wrote:
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
The 'mouse' idea was 'stolen' from Xerox, though.
Wasn't the mouse idea 'stolen
Cool! When's the next one? (so I can save up my gasoline babysitting
pennies) ;-)
Judy
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Richard Gaskin wrote:
Wasn't the mouse idea 'stolen' from Englebart? (Doug?)
Yes, as far as I know.
I have a copy of the videotape of his presentation of the first
mouse-driven
Hi again,
I have a copy of the videotape of his presentation of the first
mouse-driven OS in 1967 (apparently he had invented the mouse several
years earlier but then needed to write an OS to use it on g).
If you come to one of our LA RUG meetings I'll show it. :)\
Cool. What if you
At 9:18 am -0800 2/8/04, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
[...]
It's already available in Real format:
http://www.superfastcomputer.com/2003_02_16_previous.html
Thanks much, I'll take a look.
Thanks for this link. What a beautiful set of movies. Those were the days!!
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On 30/7/04 11:38 pm, Marian Petrides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RunRev: Please consider going back to the old icon. Thanks.
We're not going back to the old hand icon as the default. The new cursors
are more modern and are just as clear as cursors in other applications.
Please read the read me
Kevin,
Understood. The issue wasn't backward compatibility, the issue was
appearance. But this has been abundantly discussed on this list
already. While I personally like the suggestion that an option for a
grabber hand still be made available, I also understand why you might
not want to do
How about a black arrow tool for browse mode--and a white arrow tool
for pointer mode ala adobe?
On Aug 1, 2004, at 1:56 AM, Kevin Miller wrote:
On 30/7/04 11:38 pm, Marian Petrides [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
RunRev: Please consider going back to the old icon. Thanks.
We're not going back to the
Hi Swami,
How about a black arrow tool for browse mode--and a white arrow tool
for pointer mode ala adobe?
ah, must be a mac user ;-)
The windows system cursor is a white arrow and i think on windoze (not
tested yet)
the EX-hand cursor will be a white arrow...(?)
I may be wrong, but i would
On Aug 1, 2004, at 2:02 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote:
How about a black arrow tool for browse mode--and a white arrow tool
for pointer mode ala adobe?
I think RunRev has a good (maybe even excellent) cursor set in 2.5.
Granted, there is some loss of familiarity for long-time users, but new
From: Troy Rollins
Subject: Re: 2.5 cursor change
Date: Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:23:56 -0700
--snip
If you look at the select tool cursor, it is quite distinct. And the
browse tool cursor, is just the standard cursor - as it should be
unless your app
Hi Trevor,
Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2004 11:46:11 -0700
From: Trevor DeVore [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2.5 cursor change
It seems to me that the arrow
cursor is the accepted method of interacting with apps unless over a
link. Was the hand something that was used more in OS 9?
Well, yes
Wasn't the mouse idea 'stolen' from Englebart? (Doug?)
Judy
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
The 'mouse' idea was 'stolen' from Xerox, though.
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Judy Perry wrote:
On Sun, 1 Aug 2004, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
The 'mouse' idea was 'stolen' from Xerox, though.
Wasn't the mouse idea 'stolen' from Englebart? (Doug?)
Yes, as far as I know.
I have a copy of the videotape of his presentation of the first
mouse-driven OS in 1967 (apparently
At 9:50 PM -0500 7/30/2004, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during
development and then allow the user to specify when building a
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple
change; if the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses
Amen.
Judy
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
My feeling is that if you have to squint at the cursor to figure out
which mode you're in - if you even have to think about it - there's a
usability problem.
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On Jul 31, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
Amen.
Judy
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote:
My feeling is that if you have to squint at the cursor to figure out
which mode you're in - if you even have to think about it - there's a
usability problem.
Yes, but I have to admit... I
Hi Troy,
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 22:58:49 -0400
From: Troy Rollins [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2.5 cursor change
Personally, I think Mickey should take its bows, and Rev should use
something more modern, and app looking. An alternate selection cursor
might be the way to go.
Well, it's
Hi Jeanne,
Date: Fri, 30 Jul 2004 23:09:33 -0700
From: Jeanne A. E. DeVoto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: 2.5 cursor change
My feeling is that if you have to squint at the cursor to figure out
which mode you're in - if you even have to think about it - there's a
usability problem.
AMEN
I've hesitated to weigh in on this one, in part because I wasn't sure
how I felt about it and in part because I'm probably an atypical
developer on some level. But as I've thought about it, I've decided
that I'm not so atypical that the perspective I bring to the table --
namely, that of a
On Jul 31, 2004, at 1:36 PM, Ken Norris (dialup) wrote:
Well, it's obvious you work in the PC world which doesn't
differentiate by
cursor changes, but rather 'arms' buttons, but Macs always have, and
is used
in browsers for the same reasons. I don't think modernism has anything
at
all to do
My immediate response to the change from grabber hand to arrow for the
browse cursor was that I didn't like it, but I thought I might get used
to it. However, now that I try to use someone else's stack (Judy's
Intro to Rev), I know for sure: I HATE IT!!
Seriously, I find it very disorienting
On Jul 30, 2004, at 6:38 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
Seriously, I find it very disorienting to be browsing through a stack
using an arrow rather than the traditional grabber hand.
RunRev: Please consider going back to the old icon. Thanks.
I'd never take away freedom of choice, but if they put
I agree. I really don't like it. Plus, my first response was that the
arrow on the left was a normal selection/execution tool and that the
second was maybe a resizing tool...
Just my two small monetary units...
Judy
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Marian Petrides wrote:
My immediate response to the
Yeah... but.. the hand's more obvious as to its function. With two arrows
that differ only ever so slightly in appearance but markedly in action,
'twould be better, methinks, to have a markedly different appearance so
that the user doesn't have to do the mouseover hover to figure out which
is
On Jul 30, 2004, at 8:09 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
Yeah... but.. the hand's more obvious as to its function. With two
arrows
that differ only ever so slightly in appearance but markedly in action,
'twould be better, methinks, to have a markedly different appearance so
that the user doesn't have to
On 7/30/04 8:59 PM, Troy Rollins wrote:
On Jul 30, 2004, at 9:26 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
But I see your point, too. Perhaps we don't really want users to
think stack but rather to think professionally-looking mainstream
app. Now, I am truly confused. ;-)
Well, if it helps, Kevin Miller
Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during
development and then allow the user to specify when building a
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change;
if the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by
default. The only thing you
On Jul 30, 2004, at 10:47 PM, Marian Petrides wrote:
Ayup. That's where my conditioning came from, not Hypercard per se but
from browsers. That makes MUCH more sense. I didn't think I spent
that much time in HyperCard environments.
True, browsers do, but applications don't, certainly not over
On Jul 30, 2004, at 10:50 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during
development and then allow the user to specify when building a
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change;
if the hand cursor isn't available, Rev
I like this idea, for two reasons -- it makes the two cursors visually
distinct during dev AND it allows developers to use the hand where they
feel it would be useful.
FWIW...
Judy
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, J. Landman Gay wrote:
I agree. I have to keep looking at the tool palette to know which
Yes, I can see where you are coming from... I'd just like to see the hand
retained as an option for where it is useful... but probably not as the
default, for the reasons you have noted.
Judy
On Fri, 30 Jul 2004, Troy Rollins wrote:
True, browsers do, but applications don't, certainly not over
On 7/30/04 10:01 PM, Judy Perry wrote:
I like this idea, for two reasons -- it makes the two cursors visually
distinct during dev AND it allows developers to use the hand where they
feel it would be useful.
Now that I look again, the beta does have the little cross on the cursor
itself. I just
On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Now that I look again, the beta does have the little cross on the
cursor itself. I just have to remember to look for it. At any rate,
they are modestly different.
REALLY?
I hadn't noticed that.
Probably similar to the issue I have with the
On Jul 30, 2004, at 11:20 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
Now that I look again, the beta does have the little cross on the
cursor itself. I just have to remember to look for it. At any rate,
they are modestly different.
OK. I looked. 8-)
Works for me!
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Yeah, sorry... my mind was thinking more about the tools palette.
But this has me thinking as a teacher of game dev -- what cursor to use,
then, to indicate 'magic' or clickable areas? Come to think of it, even
browsers use the 'Mickey' hand to indicate clickability... maybe going
back to the HC
Marian Petrides wrote:
Another way to handle it would be to retain the mickey hand during
development and then allow the user to specify when building a
standalone whether to keep it or not. It would be very simple change; if
the hand cursor isn't available, Rev uses the system arrow by
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