Stephen,
Jean-Louis Gasse
as with the original HC, Apple management didn't get it...with one
exception: the person who preceeded Jobs' second coming. It's been
too long for me to remember his name
Gil Amillio (?; sp?)
I'm pretty sure it wasn't Gasse.
Did Amillio (sp?) preceed Job's
What has happened to Ro Nagey? I thought he was the Rev evangelist?
Todd
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On Dec 10, 2005, at 3:56 PM, Dan Shafer wrote:
I hope you guys keep carrying this forward. This is very exciting and
exactly the kind of thing that a Rev evangelist, if such a person
On Dec 12 2005, at 19:43, Todd Higgins wrote:
What has happened to Ro Nagey? I thought he was the Rev evangelist?
...
Not anymore.
unfortunately that's all i know about it
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http://chatrev.bjoernke.com
Chat with other RunRev developers:
go stack URL
Hi Chipp,
Thanks for the reply. Again, sorry if what I wrote was perceived as
an attack. Sorry folks, this was not meant to be about you. This was
meant to be about the other end of the spectrum BIG grin.
What you find on runrev ltd frontpage is:
Revolution Dreamcard is ideal for
Jack, Bill, et al:
Can anybody pick it up when hypercard went back to apple and we were
supposed to have version 3.0?
[snip]
I guess I assumed the leadership at Apple controlled the
robustness and goals of the teams involved in product development,
even at Claris. The HyperCard team
I've replied to this on the rev-biz list:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/rev-biz/
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Fourth World Media Corporation
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Marielle Lange wrote:
Dreamcard is presented as something that persons
with lack of experience with other development environments
can come to grip with. Apparently, it doesn't work that well.
Beginners often complain on this list or elswhere
(see ,
a mailing list for dreamcard users
as with the original HC, Apple management didn't get it...with one
exception: the person who preceeded Jobs' second coming. It's been
too long for me to remember his name
Gil Amillio (?; sp?)
Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company
Vive R Revolution!
Jean-Louis Gasse
as with the original HC, Apple management didn't get it...with one
exception: the person who preceeded Jobs' second coming. It's been
too long for me to remember his name
Gil Amillio (?; sp?)
Rob Cozens, CCW
Serendipity Software Company
Vive R Revolution!
--
stephen
@lists.runrev.com
Subject: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?'
Marielle Lange wrote:
Dreamcard is presented as something that persons
with lack of experience with other development environments
can come to grip with. Apparently, it doesn't work that well.
Beginners often complain on this list
As Richard stated his position on this, I'll state mine as well.
I'm not
concerned about competitive advantage at all, and won't be until
RunRev
becomes as popular as JavaScript (one of my hopes!). :-)
Richard, Ken... I thought that the statement giving revolution for
free was enough
]
To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com
Sent: Fri, 9 Dec 2005 21:13:05 -0500
Subject: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is Konfabulator
'Pretty?']
Well, I had the good fortune to be at Claris during the HyperCard
transition. I knew the development team and the product managers well.
I
don't
Thanks for that clear discourse. I think the true story behind the demise of
Hypercard is very interesting. I'd like to see it fleshed-out a little more
to a full story especially with some of the interesting facts such as the
fast indexing code story and other history. In fact such a story (the
Bill,
Thank you for the fresh insider perspective! Perhaps I can finally
put to rest my conspiracy theories. (I hate it when that happens.)
I guess I assumed the leadership at Apple controlled the robustness
and goals of the teams involved in product development, even at
Claris.
This reminds me of Srila Bhagavan Goswami Gurudeva - Woops,
letting too much out about my murky past - strike that.
When a 'church'/movement/revolution goes rotten it is
normally because its founder members have become
disillusioned and left because they feel that the original
vision has been
I hope you guys keep carrying this forward. This is very exciting and
exactly the kind of thing that a Rev evangelist, if such a person existed,
would salivate over being able to show.
~~
Dan Shafer, Information Product Consultant and Author
:35:59 -0800
Subject: Re: Why did HyperCard wither away? [was: Re: Why is
Konfabulator 'Pretty?']
Bill,
Thank you for the fresh insider perspective! Perhaps I can finally put
to rest my conspiracy theories. (I hate it when that happens.)
e
I guess I assumed the leadership at Apple
FWIW, I think Bill is neither cheesed off nor outcast. He always had a
passion for photography (and he's damned good at it) and he wrangled with
technology long enough to have enough success to pay for his habit.
I haven't talked to him for quite a while, but I'd be surprised if he's
involved in
Bill.
Wow. Thanks for that wonderful stroll down memory lane. I remember being
shown a prototype of a Windows version of HC at Claris at some point. I
wonder if you were one of the folks in the room. i think Danny G and I were
in the same NDA briefing.
BTW, the HC evangelist at Apple,
Marielle Lange wrote:
It's not a question of being able to fork $5000 for a product because
some clients can pay for it.
Fortunately RunRev asks about 1/8th that amount for their most expensive
license.
It's a question that revolution puts as selling line on its website:
Revolution
Dan-
Saturday, December 10, 2005, 1:35:26 PM, you wrote:
BTW, the HC evangelist at Apple, pre-Claris (I think his name was Bob
Fernandez; he was a former criminal defense attorney and a hell of a
scripter) had the idea of embedding HC and a TCP stack in the Mac ROM really
early. He was
Nope, it was Bob Perez. I just looked it up.
On 12/10/05, Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Dan-
Saturday, December 10, 2005, 1:35:26 PM, you wrote:
BTW, the HC evangelist at Apple, pre-Claris (I think his name was Bob
Fernandez; he was a former criminal defense attorney and a hell
MisterX wrote:
Just my 2 cents after lots of aggravation trying to get this far with
skins and porting graphical applications from W2K to XP to OSX... It's
definitely not as simple or smooth as Chipp says
IMOHO - no offence Chipp...
X,
No offense taken. For those who are HIG sticklers, you
Chipp,
It's not the differences in GUIs and HIGs that the problem. It's the
problem of having two different
sets of skins on XP (w2k and xp buttons) or in the case of skinned
buttons, where on OSX these
just do not port...
After that, the next big problem facing rev developpers is HTML
Dear Judy, Marielle, Xavier and others,
Mountains move slowly. Especially when we only have a limited number of
people available to lift them. I wish we had more Kevin's, but we only
have the one, which we use as efficiently as we possibly can. I
frequently read on this list and others he
Hi Heather,
I always enjoy reading you on this list.
Over Time. We cannot, much though we would like to, do everything
for everybody, all at once.
As you are probably aware, we all try on this list to minimize the
amount of criticisms and to channel them when they occur. In reaction
X, don't patterns have to have boundaries to repeat? And generally
they should relate to binary boundaries, 64x64, 128x128, 16x16, etc.
Why would the Mac platform be the problem?
I've never seen any 'standard' 20x20 pattern.
sqb
later and when i realized my mistake it was too late - damage
Are you sure about this? I thought Quartz ruled now...the 'old
toolbox' is long dead.
With all due respect, X, your mac knowledge seems to end around 1995.
sqb
CThis is the big show stopper in my point of view towards smooth
transitions across platforms.
The reason? Dependencies on the old
Stephen Barncard wrote:
This is the big show stopper in my point of view towards smooth
transitions across platforms.
The reason? Dependencies on the old Mac OS toolbox display!
Are you sure about this? I thought Quartz ruled now...the
'old toolbox' is long dead.
With all due respect, X,
Actually, The newest version of OSX 10.4 has done away with the
dependency on that API. Classic was changed in that release.
Tom
On Dec 9, 2005, at 1:48 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
But in the meantime, it's my limited understanding that there are a
few remnant dependencies on the old APIs.
What secret
Damn, I knew I was out of the loop..
Tom
On Dec 9, 2005, at 1:57 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
With all that I've put out into the public, it's difficult to
understand how it could be mistaken for trying to keep Rev a
secret. :)
--
Richard Gaskin
You have two products for two different markets.
We educators/hobbyists would like dreamcard to be distributed for
free across the world. Professionals like Richard, Chipp and Ken and
others are worried about keeping their competitive advantage and have
the tool remain expensive and
Ken,
I too paid $999.00 and now pay $499 to upgrade each year and consider
it a bargain. I not only doubled my salary but also started my own
business (no profits yet ;-) ) and get to pursue this as a hobby as
well. What a deal. AND now I get to play with Robots too.
Tom
On Dec 9, 2005,
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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Ken Ray
Sent: Friday, 09 December, 2005 20:20
To: Use Revolution List
Subject: Re: Why is Konfabulator 'Pretty?'
You have two products for two different markets.
We educators/hobbyists would like dreamcard to be
distributed for free
wise...
cheers
Xavier
http://monsieurx.com/taoo - blowing the limit on object based technology
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Stephen Barncard
Sent: Friday, 09 December, 2005 19:41
To: How to use Revolution
Subject: Re: Why
MisterX wrote:
I think that if rev re-implemented userlevels they not only would make rev
more hypercard like
I've long wished for enough time to make DeadCard: a pixel-for-pixel
copy of HC's IDE for the Rev engine, with all the limitations:
monchrome, force people to select only one object
Marielle Lange wrote:
Professionals like Richard, Chipp and Ken and others
are worried about keeping their competitive advantage and have the tool
remain expensive and relatively unknown (at the very least maintain the
existence of a cost of switching via the license fee and time to
No verification, but I've always felt your comment below re:Director is
why Apple let Hypercard languish in the first place, never gave it even
decent color, etc. HC's rep was so tarnished by all the unsightly crap
put out there by the rest of us that they didn't want it associated
in any
You mean, like how they abandoned desktop publishing because of all the
horrid newsletters that sprung into existence? And how the web never took
off because of all the ugly sites? :)
Bill
Mark Swindell [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
HC's rep was so tarnished by
I think they were ok with HyperCard staying a fun toy for amateurs, but
they didn't want to blur the line by giving it full-blown professional
UI potential. Then their platform would have been populated by
half-baked applications that worked poorly but which could have
appeared superficially
Well, I had the good fortune to be at Claris during the HyperCard
transition. I knew the development team and the product managers well. I
don't think it was anything so deliberate/nefarious as you surmise.
- Claris didn't know how to make money on a program that had been given away
for free.
I had forgotten that the 'Konfabulator' thread was about anything other
than the previously-solved clock problem, so I only was alerted to
Heather's post in Marielle's reply.
My post wasn't directed at anyone in particular.
I appreciate much of what Heather has said. I was an early critic of
But...
Isn't there all kinds of truly gawdawful 'Made with VB' etc. crap
available?
Judy
On Fri, 9 Dec 2005, Mark Swindell wrote:
No verification, but I've always felt your comment below re:Director is
why Apple let Hypercard languish in the first place, never gave it even
decent color,
Isn't there all kinds of truly gawdawful 'Made with VB' etc.
crap available?
Yes, there is. But also applies to Delphi,
C++ Builder, Java, Visual C++, Visual Foxpro
and you will shudder when you see an application
aimed at the Mac in Lazarus (based on the Free Pascal
compiler) which ignores
Crossing the Chasm is a good read.
Recommended reading in the entrepreneurship course I currently
follow. Recommended by various visiting speakers in the course.
Didn't have to read it yet though.
Marielle
Hi Bill,
Good to know that you have now reached second stage: acceptance :-).
Revolution is not Konfabulator.
So the question is, WHY aren't there more of them for Rev?
The K. site lists over 1500 widgets that do everything from
display RSS
feeds to displaying the current position of the
Bill and Tom,
You may be interested to know that I have started doing something
vaguely along these lines in revolution. Rather than the konfab
approach, I have taken the mozilla one (konfab is a thing of the
past, the *new* thing is mozilla ;-) ). XUL is an xml specification
to define
Marielle,
Bill spurred me on with his wish that REV had a more hip UI. I
thought that a template with some buttonGadget style simplicity and
some guidelines for coding in Rev would pave the way for a series of
simple apps (widgets, dashboards, etc.) I have two projects in the
works right
Marielle, Bill and Tom ;)
I've been studying XUL and while it's a great concept, remember that it's
limited to the mozilla engine. There's been recent discussions on Slashdot
about the disadvantages of Ajax and not the last of them but even MS is
throwing it's copycat cloners into XAML - their
Richard,
Even for so-called HIG-compliant applications, Rev is behind the times.
Look at the menus in Microsoft Office 2003. That is the current state of the
art. Look how Visual Basic Express creates menus that look exactly like
those. Rev does not. Rev cannot directly support even icons in
I don't have a Macintosh so I can't say -- do you get gel buttons? Are
tabbed controls presented the way they are on built-for-OS X apps?
I looked up the video tutorials for Rev on a Mac screen, and I'm happy to
see these *are* implemented the Mac OS X way. Excellent.
Bill
Bill,
I use OSX all of the time and also see the look and feel correctly. I
just bought a Sony Laptop and hooked up a 20 monitor side by side
with my 23 Apple cinema display. I am using XP pro and Office 2003.
I am noticing just how far windows has come in look and feel. I am
just
Bill Marriott wrote:
Richard,
Even for so-called HIG-compliant applications, Rev is behind the times.
If you mean that Rev should implement some of your suggested HIG
enhancements automatically, then yes, I think you are probably right.
However, almost everything you mention can already be
Ah, yes, well that is the Windows Theme Manager for you :)
I think Rev emulates the look of XP, and doesn't actually pull from the
actual OS... this is why it doesn't respond to changes made in the Windows
appearance manager. In other words, if you customize the look and feel of
Windows with
Hi Jacqueline,
You wrote,
Rev cannot directly support even icons in menus, which has been around
many years.
Rev does support this. What you need to use are stack menus, rather than
the simple button menus which are the default.
I tried looking up stack menu in the docs. I found:
You
Thomas,
Fortunately for you and the list, Bill is incorrect in his assessment.
I've tested 3 seperate themes on Win XP and they all dsplay correctly in
Rev, so it does actually pull from the actual OS. I seem to remember
testing this for Tuviah when he was implementing theme support for WinXP
Well Bill, sometimes you just need to dig a bit. While natively, RR
doesn't support many of the features, there are tools which do, and most
of them are free. Hope the following helps (see below)..
Bill Marriott wrote:
Hi Jacqueline,
You wrote,
Rev cannot directly support even icons in
Chipp,
In other words, if you customize the look and feel of Windows with a
utility like WindowsBlinds, it doesn't necessarily translate to every UI
component in Rev.
Many effects work. It does pull in the title bar style, and I think the
progress bar style. It does not pull in window
On 12/7/05 2:36 AM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Bill,
I think your final sentences really summed up your thoughts on this:
Modern look-and-feel is undeniably one
of Revolution's weaknesses. Improving this is one component of several
things Rev should do to be successful and
Bill,
It gets the theme parts right from where I sit. The large fonts isn't
part of a theme, it's another setting and even Microsoft itself doesn't
support Large fonts fully. Try setting Large Fonts to 'Extra Large' and
then close and open the Display properties window and you see it doesn't
Bill,
It gets the theme parts right from where I sit. The large fonts isn't
part of a theme, it's another setting and even Microsoft itself doesn't
support Large fonts fully. Try setting Large Fonts to 'Extra Large' and
then close and open the Display properties window and you see it doesn't
Chipp,
I know you didn't mention button styles specifically as being taken directly
from the OS, but once you see the following difference it will be one of
those details that pop out at you all the time:
http://wjm.org/linked/buttons.htm
Again, *very* minor, probably not obvious to the vast
Bill,
You can make a menu have any look you want, using a stack as a menu -
not just icons, but all sorts of complex layouts. But yes, just use
icon-sized images in the substack serving as the source for your menu,
and you will get icons in your menu.
Every system has predesigned elements that
Bill,
A picture is indeed worth a thousand words! I prefer the VB placement of
text.
My best guess is that we're both *sorta* correct ;-) I believe
Revolution 'builds' the buttons using the correct theme 'bits', but
probably doesn't use the direct API call to do so. 'Course I could be
On 12/7/05 12:52 PM, Chipp Walters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Web browser control.
You can launch a web browser with a URL. Not sure what other control you
mean.
Ken Ray just offered up a great script for this in the MetaCard forum.
Perhaps he'll share it here? Also revGoURL will launch a
Ken,
Thanks a lot for this post! I hope your excellent summary will help settle
the debate on this. I didn't imagine my recommendations would spur a major
row, but I am kind of glad they did. We ended up really getting into some
nitty gritty stuff and I hope this was useful to the RunRev staff
Chipp-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 11:57:29 AM, you wrote:
My best guess is that we're both *sorta* correct ;-) I believe
Revolution 'builds' the buttons using the correct theme 'bits', but
probably doesn't use the direct API call to do so. 'Course I could be
I believe you're right, since
Just to let Rev. know... So do I, so will I
dave
Bill Marriott wrote:
clip...
I simply love xTalk, and Rev is keeping this great language very much alive.
It really is an impressive tool overall; I'll be buying upgrades for as long
as they are offered.
Bill
--
Dave LeYanna
Hi Bill,
Chipp,
I know you didn't mention button styles specifically as being taken
directly
from the OS, but once you see the following difference it will be
one of
those details that pop out at you all the time:
http://wjm.org/linked/buttons.htm
Again, *very* minor, probably not
Yeah, VB lets you put a 16x16 icon to the left of button text, it lets you
create buttons that have the little drop-down arrow to the right for menus
or palettes, it has properties for whether the button appears in a menu
strip, whether the cursor assumes a special shape when over it... it is
On 12/7/05 2:18 PM, Bill Marriott [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
You are also correct that Rev *does* face unique challenges when designing a
cross-platform development tool. It's very difficult to exactly support
every little detail of an OS while still enabling you to easily write once,
deploy
SUCH A TEASE
On Dec 7, 2005, at 12:05 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote:
I also know that the company is well aware of some of the things
you ask for, and they aren't ignoring that. Stay tuned.
--
Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED]
HyperActive Software |
Chipp,
Your high-quality plugins (among others) are exactly what needs to be
incorporated into the core Rev functionality. I hope Rev considers licensing
them and writes you a handsome check :)
Bill
Chipp Walters wrote
Well Bill, sometimes you just need to dig a bit. While natively, RR
Bill, Chipp,
That is definitely a different font and x height.
HHMMM.. Glad to know this although it is a minor thing. All the
same.
Tom
On Dec 7, 2005, at 2:43 PM, Bill Marriott wrote:
Chipp,
I know you didn't mention button styles specifically as being taken
directly
from the
Bill-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:44:09 PM, you wrote:
Comments on the properties list: I prefer the way that Rev separates out the
properties (instead of one long list like this), but I'd rather they used
tabs instead of a drop-down menu for the various categories. Note that the
Yes,
Bill-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:18:41 PM, you wrote:
p.s.: One little nit is that all of the items I mentioned in earlier posts
(specifically calendar popups, notification tray support) are definitely
included with the current version of VBExpress.
IMO the only real downside to VB is
Bill Marriott wrote:
I tried looking up stack menu in the docs. I found:
You create a stack menu by laying out the menu items as buttons in a stack
window, then setting the menuName property of a button in another stack to
the menu stack's name. Clicking the button displays the menu stack as
Jacque-
I apologize for assuming you were new to Rev. I've only seen your name
on the list recently, so I made assumptions. I think 2 years of even
casual use gives you enough experience to disqualify you as a newbie.
In addition, Bill's list of suggestions for improving the IDE was
Bill,
Just in case you're wondering, there is also an altPropEditor at:
http://www.altuit.com/webs/altuit2/altPluginDownload/Downloads.htm
It's more like VB's.
Richard Gaskin has one too in his Devolution set.
best,
Chipp
Mark Wieder wrote:
Bill-
Wednesday, December 7, 2005, 12:44:09 PM,
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:47:53 +0100, sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 8:52 PM -0200 12/4/05, Andre Garzia wrote:
I still rate my interfaces using the ALSR rating scheme... ALSR
stands for Almost-Like-Scott-Rossi, for example, when I finished my
webeditor interface, I looked to it and thought:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote on 06/12/2005 15:18:13:
On Mon, 5 Dec 2005 06:47:53 +0100, sims [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 8:52 PM -0200 12/4/05, Andre Garzia wrote:
I still rate my interfaces using the ALSR rating scheme... ALSR
stands for Almost-Like-Scott-Rossi, for example, when I
You should search the list about two months back -- there was a
heated thread about creating a clock in minimum code and processor
load. Several on this list were competing for the cleanest, smartest
code. It got down to less than 10 lines I think.
I believe for certain that a widget like
Stephen,
I want to clear something up --
1) I'm not trying to create the leanest, most efficient clock
2) I'm not trying to create a clock at all
3) I was trying to replicate exactly the look of a typical K. widget, which
happened to be a clock, in order to prove that we as Rev users could do
Bill Marriott wrote:
- if someone wants to create an exact replica of the K. clock in Rev, they
should give up, which is what I did :)
Or while we wait for enhancements to the rotate command just make any of
the other widgets/gadgets that don't rely on that command, which would
be 99.99% of
Bill-
Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 10:00:57 AM, you wrote:
3) I was trying to replicate exactly the look of a typical K. widget, which
happened to be a clock, in order to prove that we as Rev users could do
stuff just as cool as K. if we wanted to.
Why?
There are things runrev does really
So the question is, WHY aren't there more of them for Rev?
The K. site lists over 1500 widgets that do everything from display RSS
feeds to displaying the current position of the International Space Station.
HyperCard used to have this kind of excitement and buzz...
Just 10 widgets that look
Bill,
Do you know for certain that K does images in this way? I mean we
know about this problem in Rev and I haven't used K to build widgets,
But I do like the look and feel of them. When you build in K do the
images truly rotate? or do they do something to them to look like
they rotate?
Bill Marriott wrote:
So the question is, WHY aren't there more of them for Rev?
The K. site lists over 1500 widgets that do everything from display RSS
feeds to displaying the current position of the International Space Station.
HyperCard used to have this kind of excitement and buzz...
There you go. Bundle DreamCard, purchase Rev.
On Dec 6, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
If you can get a bundling agreement for Rev you'll see more buzz.
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Mark Swindell wrote:
On Dec 6, 2005, at 12:25 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote:
If you can get a bundling agreement for Rev you'll see more buzz.
There you go. Bundle DreamCard, purchase Rev.
Sounds great. Got Steve's cell number?
;)
--
Richard Gaskin
Managing Editor, revJournal
Bill,
This is good stuff, I thought you were trying to find a way to do
this in REV, not prove it could not.
What can we do in the Template arena to start making these kinds of
cross-platform widgets.
I figure graphics are one area. - incorporate a button gadget type
template
Then come
Bill,
I made a widget a while back that extracted a saying a day from a
remote server and gave it away. Then they changed the server and it
stopped working.
Sarah has the PicaPod widget that downloads some very cool desktop
pictures and is awesome in it's simplicity yet it does what
Yes, Tom, thanks for asking about this.
A K. distribution is very simple:
- a .widget file, which is exactly a .zip file,
containing:
- a folder of resources (images, sounds)
- a .kon file, which is an XML file encapsulating attributes for the objects
and JavaScript.
If you have K. installed
Bill-
Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 11:44:42 AM, you wrote:
- One of the top Widgets is a Calvin and Hobbes fetcher. A guy called DMP
has something that does this for a site called uComics. (But it doesn't
work.) Get that thing brushed up, gel-ified, airbrushed.
It works fine for me. What part
Richard Gaskin wrote
Those other widgets/gadgets rely on a runtime engine that's already
installed.
Not true. The K. engine is a 9MB download.
I wouldn't push RunRev toward making a Konfab clone. There already is
one, and alternatives with even greater reach are an integral part of the
I simply tried to run it and got blank light grey panels where comics should
be. I have not tried to pick it apart as to why. Only a few cosmetic
adjustments:
- translucency/drop shadow window
- custom window shape
- moving preferences to a separate window
- a little drop shadow
- fancy
Bill,
I am with you on this. I am a graphics guy from way back and all of
my stacks have a heavy graphics UI. But, some on this list are just
not that interested in that aspect when programming an app. They are
into the inner guts and they do it very well. When they need a
stylish face
Bill and Thomas,
I'm sure I'm missing something here. I do understand about the problems
with rotate image (though we have an external in house which works in
Rev and does just fine).
But, as one who has played around with widgets for Konfabulator, I'm not
sure I quite get what you all are
Bill Marriott wrote:
Richard Gaskin wrote
Those other widgets/gadgets rely on a runtime engine that's already
installed.
Not true. The K. engine is a 9MB download.
True, but when Vista hits the streets what will the value be of a 9MB
download when a user could get OS-compatible
Bill-
Tuesday, December 6, 2005, 1:53:15 PM, you wrote:
I simply tried to run it and got blank light grey panels where comics should
be. I have not tried to pick it apart as to why. Only a few cosmetic
adjustments:
You probably didn't save it to disk first, but tried to run it from
RAM. The
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