On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 18:21 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote:
What I'm looking for are actual examples and thought put in to _how_ I
can help design and bring to fruition the type of snapshot website
that you would be stoked about. As I said earlier, even examples of
someone else doing it
Hi Christopher,
no, the PartyAcctgPreference entity is defined in the accounting component (it
is used to define accounting preferences for a given organization) and so it
cannot be moved to the party component.
Kind regards,
Jacopo
On Feb 5, 2010, at 11:46 PM, Christopher Snow wrote:
In
Thanks for the feedback Adrian. Would it be worth me writing a tool that
runs as part of the build process that reports on the dependencies? It
could throw a warning/error when a new invalid dependency is checked in?
Chris,
Framework independence has been a goal for quite a while. There is
A tool would certainly help. If such a tool was included in OFBiz, then it
would have to be compatible with the Apache license.
-Adrian
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:
From: Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk
Subject: Re: what a mess! is framework
Also keep in mind that interdependency between some components is intentional
and sometimes necessary. Think about it - how do you create an invoice without
a party?
-Adrian
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Jacopo Cappellato jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote:
From: Jacopo Cappellato
We can probably start with something simple: add an ant task that simply builds
the framework (applications and specialpurpose will be ignored) and then an ant
task to run the framework only.
This will require some minor tweaks to the base component loading mechanism,
but it should be trivial.
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Matt Warnock mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com wrote:
What is OFBiz
ERP basics
Open Source/Apache License
Capabilities (as of now)
Who is using OFBiz, and how
Websites based on OFBiz (production
use)
OFBiz demo sites
VAR products (OpenTaps,
I guess we can remove this kind on interdependency too by having services to
communicate with other components instead of using a class of some other
component to directly call a method.
As Adrian said, we can create an invoice without party, but we can have
services using which the account
oops .. sorry, I meant we can't create an invoice without party, which is
correct.
I just took your example for explaining further, my view points.
- Abdullah
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com wrote:
I didn't say that. I asked How do you create an invoice
Shall I raise a jira for this? Is there any documentation on the build and
test process for ofbiz? e.g. does buildbot run ofbiz and run any tests?
We can probably start with something simple: add an ant task that simply
builds the framework (applications and specialpurpose will be ignored) and
Is the invoice dependent on party or partyId?
I didn't say that. I asked How do you create an invoice without a party?
An invoice implies two parties - the party being billed and the party
doing the billing.
-Adrian
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Abdullah Shaikh abdullah.shaik...@gmail.com wrote:
Yes, follow Jacopo's suggestion: create an ant task to build framework only,
then run the framework only
*shrug* I don't know what that means.
Maybe have a Selenium task that checks to see if it actually runs on its own.
I'm not real clear on how that would work, but it would definitely be
Chris,
It's not rocket science. Think about it. An invoice is dependent upon many
things: parties, inventory items, tax authorities, billing agreements, shipping
methods, etc..
What are you trying to achieve?
-Adrian
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Chris Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:
From:
Hi Adrian,
If we have the Accounting component dependent on the Party component
just for because we need a partyId, then the components can more easily
be separated. If it is just a partyId, then the Id could come from
another system entirely. (i.e. SOA).
However, if the Accounting
Chris i agree with you, the party component should not be dependent on
the accounting component.
The accounting component however should be dependent on the party
component. what is a payment without a party?
David made a nice dependency document on that:
Chris,
Since you didn't answer my question on what you are trying to achieve, I'm
going to guess: You are trying to achieve component independence.
That will not happen. Some components are inherently dependent on each other.
-Adrian
--- On Sat, 2/6/10, Christopher Snow
Sorry for not answering your question Adrian, I WAS thinking about
component independence.
The point that I was trying to make was that ultimately, an invoice just
needs a partyId. It shouldn't matter to ofbiz if that partyId comes
from an external party management application.
Adrian
This is so true (could be a testmonial on the corresponding wiki page, though
business level is required ;o),
but to grow faster we must convince PHBs not devs :/
On the other hand I believe that growing faster is not the right way to think (look at what is happening to our world). Because I
This page may be helpful to have a beginning of an idea (it gives some
pointers) on how roles and permissions are used together in
OFBiz to achieve what David is talking about
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/OFBiz+security
HTH
Jacques
From: David E Jones d...@me.com
I
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBTECH/OFBiz+security
Jacques
From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com
Hi David:
I tried your solution. It causes errors in the trunk and in version 9.04. Since it is not documented anywhere how to do this, its
pretty hard to report it as an error
Really refreshing, thanks Matt!
Jacques
From: Matt Warnock mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 17:12 -0500, Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Hi Matt:
Thanks for your input. I'm always open to rebuke.
Wasn't intended as rebuke, just (hopefully) helpful observation. We all
can use those,
I am really sorry Rishi (and Christopher): I completely misunderstood
Christopher's initial question and I have caused confusion!
Yes, I agree that we should move the view to the accounting component.
Kind regards,
Jacopo
On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:41 AM, Rishi Solanki wrote:
Hi Jacopo,
Chris is
No worries Jacopo our ultimate goal is to work in Profit of OFBiz project,
what you understand from Initial question in that case the answer was right.
Learn a lot from each commiter commits and all discussions and conclusion
drawn by you guys. Happy to working in OFBiz with great community.
:-)
I found this http://code.google.com/p/ofbiz-eclipse-plugin/
- Abdullah
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 5:39 PM, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Christopher,
where can I find info about where/who is developing this eclipse ofbiz ide
tool?
I would be really interested in joining that
This is something we discussed in the DEV ML:
http://www.mail-archive.com/d...@ofbiz.apache.org/msg36156.html
-Bruno
2010/2/6 Adrian Crum adrian.c...@yahoo.com:
Yes, follow Jacopo's suggestion: create an ant task to build framework only,
then run the framework only
*shrug* I don't know what
Eclipse plugin:
can browse through the components and show java service definitions and
implementations works also in Eclipse 3.5
demo:
http://www.itu.dk/~hessellund/smartemf/ofbizexplorer.htm
download:
http://www.itu.dk/~hessellund/smartemf/index.php?page=sourcecode
(to be put in the eclipse
Hi Bruno,
What are the current points of view on what should be included in the
framework?
Many thanks,
Chris
Bruno Busco wrote:
This is something we discussed in the DEV ML:
http://www.mail-archive.com/d...@ofbiz.apache.org/msg36156.html
-Bruno
2010/2/6 Adrian Crum
So in general we are not trying to have absolute components
independance from each other.
We need only to define and agree on a components functional
hierarchical dependance and enforce it so that an higher level
component should be removed without any issue.
-Bruno
2010/2/6 Rishi Solanki
Yes having a ofbiz eclipse plugin will be cool ..
- Abdullah
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 6:30 PM, Hans Bakker
mailingl...@antwebsystems.comwrote:
Eclipse plugin:
can browse through the components and show java service definitions and
implementations works also in Eclipse 3.5
demo:
Hi Bruno,
Last week or so, Sascha said that a colleague was working on it, look for his
answer in ML
Jacques
From: Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com
Hi Christopher,
where can I find info about where/who is developing this eclipse ofbiz ide tool?
I would be really interested in joining that
Chris,
I think we have not moved very forward.
We still have at least this page:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Framework-only+distribution
and the page you have written:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Ofbiz+as+a+development+framework
some comments in the
At the site Hans as pointed out:
http://www.itu.dk/people/hessellund/smartemf/index.php
seems that things have stopped down! :-(
-Bruno
2010/2/6 Jacques Le Roux jacques.le.r...@free.fr:
Hi Bruno,
Last week or so, Sascha said that a colleague was working on it, look for
his answer in ML
Hello Adrian:
Not necessarily. An invoice is a legal document. The use of an invoice
to bill a party is a business process. Perhaps you meant to say that
the creation of an invoice implies at least two parties?
Regards,
Ruth
Adrian Crum wrote:
I didn't say that. I asked How do you create an
No, it has been taken up by Daniel Rosowski as per Sascha Rodekamp on ML
- Abdullah
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
At the site Hans as pointed out:
http://www.itu.dk/people/hessellund/smartemf/index.php
seems that things have stopped down! :-(
Hi Jacques:
The fact remains that OS Commerce has a huge installed base and has a
long way to fall before it passes OFBiz on the way down.
Regards,
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
This is so true (could be a testmonial on the corresponding wiki page,
though business level is required ;o),
but to
Hi Jacques:
Thanks for posting this link. I used that when trying to determine the
actual steps involved in getting the requested scenario to work. At a
high level, it is very informative. Beyond that, what is need is a step
by step guide. David, if you would be kind enough to provide details,
Thank you guys, could you please send a link to this Sascha
discussion? I was not lucky to find it .
Thanks,
Bruno
2010/2/6 Abdullah Shaikh abdullah.shaik...@gmail.com:
No, it has been taken up by Daniel Rosowski as per Sascha Rodekamp on ML
- Abdullah
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Bruno
Here it is http://www.mail-archive.com/user@ofbiz.apache.org/msg24921.html
- Abdullah
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote:
Thank you guys, could you please send a link to this Sascha
discussion? I was not lucky to find it .
Thanks,
Bruno
2010/2/6
It appears that the dependencies have completely reversed for commonext too?
From being used by most other components to now using most other
components...
9.04:
load-component component-location=commonext/!-- common component
used by most other components --
trunk:
!-- common component
May be a stupid question...but...couldn't we think to have the plugin
developed in the OFBiz project itself?
-Bruno
2010/1/26 Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodek...@lynx.de:
Hey everybody,
yep Daniel Rosowski, a colleque of mine, began to extend the plugin and we
still keep working on it.
For now
Bruno,
As I said, Sascha wrote that one of his colleagues was *currently* working on it. It would be great if you could work with him on
this. I'd recommend to ask Sascha. Anyway, I guess he will read this sooner or later and will give us some insights.
Jacques
From: Bruno Busco
Ruth,
This would be great, I think David is not the only person able to explain that
more... We don't need to rely on David for every
detail... Let him breathe please :D
Jacques
From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com
Hi Jacques:
Thanks for posting this link. I used that when trying to
Sounds like a plan... to me...
Jacques
From: Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com
May be a stupid question...but...couldn't we think to have the plugin
developed in the OFBiz project itself?
-Bruno
2010/1/26 Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodek...@lynx.de:
Hey everybody,
yep Daniel Rosowski, a
Hi Jacques:
Sure. Can you or some one explain to me how to do this?
As I said before, I wasn't able to make it work given the tools
available at the time.
Regards,
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Ruth,
This would be great, I think David is not the only person able to
explain that more... We
Hi Hans,
I could not find how to do that in the web.xml file. Could you be
more specific? I am trying to display the contents of storeId = 1
on the ecommerce/main page. Where can I set this? Thank you,
Patrick
On the main e-commerce page the Choose Catalog drop down features
Demo and
From: David E Jones d...@me.com
On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:24 PM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
One feeling I have though, PHBs are often pushing this way, note that I did not
say that you are a PHB :p
Actually, I agree with you about our lack of interest for end user. I think
this is due to the nature
Ruth,
I bet OS Commerce will sink quickly because of Magento. We don't care about
legacy... OS Commerce is already history...
Jacques
From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com
Hi Jacques:
The fact remains that OS Commerce has a huge installed base and has a
long way to fall before it passes
A lof of things/ideas could benefit to be in this plugin (OFBiz's PMD rules, etc.). Having this plugin improved would be a huge win
for the community...
Jacques
From: Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk
Perhaps this functionality would be best situated in the eclipse ofbiz
ide tool
I will wait to see if the 1st to ask this question will get back to us with
some results, or questions...
Jacques
From: Ruth Hoffman rhoff...@aesolves.com
Hi Jacques:
Sure. Can you or some one explain to me how to do this?
As I said before, I wasn't able to make it work given the tools
Patrick:
I have a nice description of how to do this on page 21 of my book
Getting Started with Apache OFBiz, The Catalog Manager.
http://www.myofbiz.com
Regards,
Ruth
Find me on the web at http://www.myofbiz.com or Google keyword myofbiz
Hi Deedra,
The way I do it is I assign a user as a roleTypeId VENDOR to the
appropriate catalog. Then when someone tries to Add, Edit, Delete, I
check to see if they are a vendor, this checking is done in
ProductServices.xml and CategoryServices.xml. If basically a DB
query with entity-and
Yes we live in the IT bizness, Im there for 25 years now, and I have seen so much already. Before working in the IT bizness I
worked almost 10 years in very various other kinds, so I have a small experience of the world out there. What would be a working
life in other bizness areas is 5 years
Hey cool, already an answer, does it help you Ruth?
Jacques
From: Patrick patrickinminneapo...@gmail.com
Hi Deedra,
The way I do it is I assign a user as a roleTypeId VENDOR to the
appropriate catalog. Then when someone tries to Add, Edit, Delete, I
check to see if they are a vendor, this
Hi Jacques:
Yes an answer that begets more questions: who is I ? Did Patrick need
to write/modify a service to do this? Is there a UI that facilitates
this? How are users assigned roles types? Lots of unanswered questions.
Ruth
Jacques Le Roux wrote:
Hey cool, already an answer, does it
As long as we don't build a dependency on it from the framework!!!
Bruno Busco wrote:
May be a stupid question...but...couldn't we think to have the plugin
developed in the OFBiz project itself?
-Bruno
2010/1/26 Sascha Rodekamp sascha.rodek...@lynx.de:
Hey everybody,
yep Daniel Rosowski,
Some dependencies are mandatory, e.g. partyId in invoice, however, a lot
of components are now dependent on accounting because of FixedAsset.
For example, a workeffort may have a fixedAssetId. However,
fixedAssetId is optional in workeffort yet this relationship causes
another dependency.
I guess there is no question of dependency here :), its just a plugin which
will help working with OFBiz, not like a component which will run along with
other components.
- Abdullah
On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 10:31 PM, Christopher Snow
sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote:
As long as we don't build
Hello,
this is my first post to the group, and learning Ofbiz the hard way
(debugging through code, following the Beginner's Development Guide, Packet
book, Data modelling etc.). Though everyone desire to have more documents
etc, it is amazing the contribution mainly by few individuals. Few
List:
One the download site:
http://ci.apache.org/projects/ofbiz/snapshots/
1) Clicking on the ofbiz-rel9.04-current.zip returns: No Such
Resource, File not found.
2) A nightly 9.04 current download I make on the 1st of January had a
downloaded file version of: 903429 and a last updated
Also,
What release and version are we talking about?
TIA
Ruth
Ruth Hoffman wrote:
Hi Jacques:
Yes an answer that begets more questions: who is I ? Did Patrick
need to write/modify a service to do this? Is there a UI that
facilitates this? How are users assigned roles types? Lots of
Hi Babu,
1) I found this very frustrating too.
2) I requested the site to be indexed by google, but in the meantime I
always do my search from the search box on www.ofbiz.org. Make sure to
prefix your search term with 'ofbiz' so you don't get back stuff from
all apache projects.
3 4) I was
Hi guys,
I think this is the issue that most people have when starting out on OFBiz.
I gave up 2 years ago, but going to give it another shot now. I am going to
buy those data modeling books.
Brendan
On 6 February 2010 20:29, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.ukwrote:
Hi Babu,
1)
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 23:42 -0800, Adrian Crum wrote:
Chris,
Framework independence has been a goal for quite a while. There is no
disagreement that the framework should run on its own. The
disagreements arise in what constitutes the framework.
Let's assume for a moment that framework
Do I need to point ofbiz to an IMAP / POP server? Where in the admin
can I do this? Thanks Patrick
There are settings related to mail in general.properties.
- Abdullah
On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 12:39 AM, Patrick patrickinminneapo...@gmail.comwrote:
Do I need to point ofbiz to an IMAP / POP server? Where in the admin
can I do this? Thanks Patrick
I have updated the framework-only confluence page with an excel sheet
that we could use to track the dependecies issue down.
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/download/attachments/9373097/OFBIZ+COMP+DEPENDENCIES.xls?version=1
Hope this helps. It is not yet completed.
Please fille free to
The complete url for the confluence page is:
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Framework-only+distribution
2010/2/6 Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com:
I have updated the framework-only confluence page with an excel sheet
that we could use to track the dependecies issue down.
Hi Patrick:
Are you looking for the outbound SMTP server configuration? Or inbound
IMAP/POP client configuration?
SMTP is in general.properties.
IMAP/POP3 is in ~base/config/ofbiz-containers.xml (I've only used this
in 4.0 so I don't know if it is still valid for 9.04)
Regards,
Ruth
Good work Bruno! I'm putting some thought into the dependency issues -
I will provide some more feedback when I have a clearer view. However,
my current view is this:
1) Developers should be able have a standalone framework
2) Developers should be able to install components to meet certain
Hi,
I was a software engineer by career, so I knew I could get hold of it one
day, though trying to be efficient. Also, it is difficult with ofbiz as
there are more way to do the same thing. events, actions, then
implementation in Java, Minilang, Groovy, I guess still BSH ... etc. hope we
could
go to the content manager, select websites, then select the webstore
website (perhaps scroll down). In the webstore website change the
product store to the name of your 1 store.
Regards,
Hans
On Sat, 2010-02-06 at 09:57 -0600, Patrick wrote:
Hi Hans,
I could not find how to do that in the
my bad.. there are some details already here ..
http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Data+Model+Packages
I may add the information I collected somewhere there.
thanks.
Babu.
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On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 12:32 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to think on it this weekend and
will try and come up with some ideas of how this could work better.
If you could show me some sites that you do like, that would be a big
help - then I can see how to
Thank you Matt,
I think this schematic approach will help.
-Bruno
2010/2/7 Matt Warnock mwarn...@ridgecrestherbals.com:
On Fri, 2010-02-05 at 12:32 -0700, Tim Ruppert wrote:
Thanks for the feedback. I'm going to think on it this weekend and
will try and come up with some ideas of how this
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