Re: [OT] question about open source data base selection

2005-04-15 Thread M. Bitner
snipThe modification clause is why many businesses do not use GPL software. They can't modify the source, even for internal use, without their own work being encumbered by the GPL. /snip The GPL only kicks in when you are distributing. You can freely modify GPL'd software for your own use, even

RE: [OT] question about open source data base selection

2005-04-15 Thread Daniel Perry
If you are distributing a product to others that includes GPL software, and you don't want to put your own work under the GPL, the end-user has to download the GPL package separately (e.g. MySQL) and then plug it in. (And you also have to be careful about how the plugging in process works.)

Re: [OT] question about open source data base selection

2005-04-14 Thread Ted Husted
On 4/13/05, Erik Weber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I get the feeling that the GPL restrictions (at least in MySQL's case) are meant for those who are taking the database and specializing it for their business (by altering or extending the source code) not just merely using it to power the data

Re: [OT] question about open source data base selection

2005-04-14 Thread Erik Weber
Thanks Ted. Yes, I dig the BSD-style license, and I sure am glad Apache is aligned that way. Too bad there doesn't seem to be a database on par with MySQL under a BSD-style license, but PostgreSQL is at least something I think I can work with. The GPL style license is just as important to have

Re: [OT] question about open source data base selection

2005-04-13 Thread Erik Weber
After doing a little research on this I still wasn't getting a clear picture, so I wrote to someone at MySQL AB (I found an e-mail address for someone who seemed to welcome questions on the Web). I presented what I thought were some typical scenarios of MySQL use (such as JDBC applications and

Re: [OT] question about open source data base selection

2005-04-13 Thread Craig McClanahan
I can only caution you again ... it doesn't matter what the MySQL folks (or anyone else) says the license means. The only thing that matters is what a court would decide if the matter came up. In turn, that means you need to consult with *your* company's legal folks to advise what *their*

Re: [OT] question about open source data base selection

2005-04-13 Thread Erik Weber
Thanks. Good advice. But in a situation where there is no access to a legal team (for lack of resources), I wonder if it would be smarter to just take the time to switch to a different free or cheap database that supports the standard JDBC transaction isolation levels (recommendations with

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-13 Thread Dakota Jack
Aren't there varieties available, Dave, for MySQL? On 4/11/05, Dave Newton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ashish Kulkarni wrote: mysql, postgre sql, Ingres by CA, Derby from apache , Note that the JDBC Connector/J for MySQL is GPL--if you link to it in your code your code must also be GPL'ed.

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-12 Thread brenmcguire
First of all, forget about MySQL, since they don't have a long history in stored procedure (its support is still release-candidate state). Why don't you try Firebird? It's easy, it has a long history (since it was born from Borland's Interbase), it supports views, stored procedures and so on. Oh,

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Tom Ziemer
Hi, from my experience, I can recommend PostgreSQL. It's quite easy to setup, it's reliable and has all the functionality you require (views, stored procedures, foreign key constraints). As to the license: And because of the liberal license, PostgreSQL can be used, modified, and distributed by

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Dave Newton
Ashish Kulkarni wrote: mysql, postgre sql, Ingres by CA, Derby from apache , Note that the JDBC Connector/J for MySQL is GPL--if you link to it in your code your code must also be GPL'ed. Dave - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

RE: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Fogleson, Allen
-Original Message- From: Dave Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:46 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection Ashish Kulkarni wrote: mysql, postgre sql, Ingres by CA, Derby from apache , Note

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Craig McClanahan
On Apr 11, 2005 11:55 AM, Fogleson, Allen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So if you distribute a program that uses Connector-J you may be required to provide the source code, etc to Connector-J but you do not have to GPL your own code, as that can be distributed totally separate from connector-J.

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Nick Heudecker
: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:46 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection Ashish Kulkarni wrote: mysql, postgre sql, Ingres by CA, Derby from apache , Note that the JDBC Connector/J for MySQL is GPL--if you link to it in your code

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Dave Newton
Fogleson, Allen wrote: These requirements apply to the modified work as a whole. If identifiable sections of that work are not derived from the Program, and can be reasonably considered independent and separate works in themselves, then this License, and its terms, do not apply to those sections

RE: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Fogleson, Allen
to benchmark them. (and in the case of Derby I haven't even used it). Al -Original Message- From: Ashish Kulkarni [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 9:03 AM To: user@struts.apache.org Subject: [OT]question about open source data base selection Hi I am working on a intranet

Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection

2005-04-11 Thread Erik Weber
- From: Dave Newton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 11, 2005 12:46 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: Re: [OT]question about open source data base selection Ashish Kulkarni wrote: mysql, postgre sql, Ingres by CA, Derby from apache , Note that the JDBC Connector/J