Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-30 Thread Dave Newton
Zarar Siddiqi wrote: An old woodcutter once had to chop down a very large tree and all he owned was a hacksaw. He was really really good at using this hacksaw since he had used it all his life. Just as he was about to start cutting the tree another woodcutter who had just cut a similar tree

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Robin Ericsson
minhnguyet wrote: Hi All , I write web application using Struts framewok . Model layer is ok . But in view layer , although I almost use taglib . I feel that it is not flexible . If after that we want to change template (html), so , we have to find and edit each code that we include

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Martin Gainty
Sounds as if you are tightly coupling business layer to presentation I would recommend de-coupling your presentation layer from Business Entity possibly using Business Delegate Architecture..take a look at http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/java/library/j-ejb1022.html If you are seeking an

RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Mark Galbreath
Users Mailing List Subject: Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? Sounds as if you are tightly coupling business layer to presentation I would recommend de-coupling your presentation layer from Business Entity possibly using Business Delegate Architecture..take a look at http://www

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Simon Chappell
Some of us don't like any of them! http://uab.blogspot.com/2005/06/ides-we-dont-need-no-stinking-ides.html Simon On 6/29/05, Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun's Creator Studio rulez the inexpensive Java IDE world; JetBrain's IDEA rulez the $300+ IDEs. Eclipse isn't worth a shit.

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Laurie Harper
Heh, 'capabile'? I'd agree with that in maven's case... ;-) Simon Chappell wrote: Some of us don't like any of them! http://uab.blogspot.com/2005/06/ides-we-dont-need-no-stinking-ides.html Simon On 6/29/05, Mark Galbreath [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Sun's Creator Studio rulez the inexpensive

RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE
http://uab.blogspot.com/2005/06/ides-we-dont-need-no-stinking- ides.html It is the most stupid blog I have ever seen. Go back to the cave where you belong to. I think the article was meant to be taken with a grain of salt. - Dave

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Andrew Tomaka
Maybe IDEs are helpful, but if you can't do your programming in a straight text editor, you shouldn't be programming at all. The biggest problem with programmers today is that they don't actually know how to program. They know how to click some buttons and auto-generate some code (mostly awful

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Yan Hu
Maybe IDEs are helpful, It is not Maybe that IDEs are useful. It is that they are definiately useful. but if you can't do your programming in a straight text editor, you shouldn't be programming at all. When you programm in a text editor, you may very likely to have snytax errors. The

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Simon Chappell
On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe IDEs are helpful, It is not Maybe that IDEs are useful. It is that they are definiately useful. Under certain circumstances they are useful. I am fully of the opinion that no beginner should ever be allowed to use an IDE. IDEs are an

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Dave Newton
Yan Hu wrote: Why 85% of the Java developers use Eclipse? Because Java programmers are cheap bastards? You should be thankful since Eclipse is such a good IDE and it is free. Pah. Any programmer's editor that doesn't have macros... You could do a lot more(control) using assembly than

[OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE
Most autogenerated code is less programmer friendly than it could be, it's purpose being to be easily created rather than read and maintained. I call throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The unreadable code that is being spoken of, I presume, is basically UI stuff. IMO, UI code has a

RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Mark Galbreath
Mailing List Subject: Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ? On 6/29/05, Yan Hu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Maybe IDEs are helpful, It is not Maybe that IDEs are useful. It is that they are definiately useful. Under certain circumstances they are useful. I am fully of the opinion

RE: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Mark Galbreath
Does it spell-check for you, too? No wonder you need an IDE -Original Message- From: Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:43 PM As an example, when I want to right a debug statement, I simply type: ...

Re: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Simon Chappell
On 6/29/05, Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Most autogenerated code is less programmer friendly than it could be, it's purpose being to be easily created rather than read and maintained. I call throwing out the baby with the bathwater. The unreadable code

RE: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Mark Galbreath
Craig? Is that old fart still around? I thought he was deeply involved in JSF now. ;-) ~mark -Original Message- From: Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, June 29, 2005 3:51 PM To: Struts Users Mailing List Subject: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp

RE: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE
I stick to my assertion that it is not auto-generated. It might be inserted by the IDE, but it is not written by the IDE. Maybe we are splitting the auto-generated hair, but I'll concede the point. There probably is some level of code generation complexity that distinguishes between simple

Re: [OT] RE: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Simon Chappell
Take a look at some code generated by lex or yacc and be prepared for an eye-opening! :-) On 6/29/05, Durham David R Jr Ctr 805 CSPTS/SCE [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I stick to my assertion that it is not auto-generated. It might be inserted by the IDE, but it is not written by the IDE. Maybe

Re: Is there any Jsp template like Smarty template ?

2005-06-29 Thread Zarar Siddiqi
Sun's Creator Studio rulez the inexpensive Java IDE world; JetBrain's IDEA rulez the $300+ IDEs. Eclipse isn't worth a shit. But REAL programmers prefer ed or vi. ~mark An old woodcutter once had to chop down a very large tree and all he owned was a hacksaw. He was really really good at