I think I need clarify my statements before.
Craig, I assure you that I always hope Java success and I do think it
popular for web app. The only thing I think I said Java was not doing
well as PHP is that PHP becomes more popular in public sites.
That is definitely what you claimed. I claim
On 7/26/05, Daniel Perry [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Can anyone recommend any good resources? Sure a google search provides tons
of information... but which is any good?
Mastering JavaServer Faces is an excellent book for Struts developers
to read. The authors try to put JSF in context with both
I guess I am a little lost on this comment. There are hundreds / thousands of complex Java sites available on the internet. Examples include US Airways Reservation system, EBay, BlueCross BlueShield of South Carolina, CitiBank, etc.
All of these public sites support very large user bases.
And somtimes you will arrive mid-project not necessarily on a greenfield
landscape where the technology decisions have already been defined
for you. What can a developer do except fall in line with the
Struts-has-been-chosen-decission? The best you can do within
companies (corporations) is to get
PHP / (origional) JSP are the same stuff really. Scripted web page. Main
difference is php not OO (well, the api isnt), and php doesnt require any
declarations/typing - which makes it nicer for less able programmers.
But the big difference is server requirements. JSP uses a lot more server
No offence but this is a daft conversation that I have seen too many times.
Say Struts is dead to a certain Blue vendor who has just releases their
latest Portal server which is built on Struts and they may smile wryly.
The number of sites out there running Struts is huge and the number of
Sorry for the OT postings.
My point was that you cant compare usage of PHP with Struts.
The number of Struts sites (or even java sites) will never overtake the
number of PHP sites for the reasons i pointed out (although... zend are
doing their best to kill off php by trying to move it into the
From: netsql
To: user@struts.apache.org
Subject: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2005 06:27:35 -0500
There is DAO, etc for PHP, take a look at architecture of TikiWiki.
And my faviorte lesson: Home page of Spring is in Plone.
Here is a good
It is interesting to see PHP that has simple programming models defeat
Java in real applications.
This leads to a question: Do Java best programming models and frameworks
conter-productive for real applications and sites?
The new frameworks, other than struts, I like Spring. I would not use
JSF
It is interesting to see that the two sites on your footer are written using
JSP.
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From: John Henry Xu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 26 July 2005 20:42
To: Struts Users Mailing List
Subject: RE: Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!
It is interesting to
Leon Rosenberg: Actually I promised myself not to response to your
posts, since it doesn't
make sense...
I remind myself that I don't answer to insulting and irrelevant comments.
So...
John H. Xu
http://www.usanalyst.com
http://www.GetusJobs.com (The largest free job portal in North
Mark,
You are right. I worked on Java and hope Java success. That is the reason
my links are java-based. I just want see more sites written in Java. That
is why I think in Java world, we need more doers than talkers.
If more java programmers code complex sites, java could compete to PHP.
But now
On 7/26/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
But now almost all public sites are dominated by PHP and others...
Whatever the actual truth of this assertion, don't forget that the
number of public Internet based webapps is not all that large compared
to the total number of webapps running
Craig said:You can't properly measure a technology's overall success on
a single
criteria like this.
Craig, you are absolutely right. Maybe there is a better way to measure
technologies based on broader criteria. The problem was I (or public)
could not access proprietary networks as you said. I
All the time you are missing one thing my friend, the marketting words
Servlet/jsp/struts is for large application. Those site you are
talking about is nothing more than a small/large/medium sized portal
type application.
Comparing PHP and Java is a kind of vague idea. We choose technology
which
On 7/26/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig said:You can't properly measure a technology's overall success on
a single
criteria like this.
Craig, you are absolutely right. Maybe there is a better way to measure
technologies based on broader criteria. The problem was I (or
Craig said: Tell me again how you come to the conclusion that Java is
not a
popular platform for web app deployments? (To say nothing of the fact
that Microsoft might dispute the PHP is king rubric as well :-).
Craig, I assure you that I always hope Java success and I do think it
popular for
On 7/26/05, John Henry Xu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Craig said: Tell me again how you come to the conclusion that Java is
not a
popular platform for web app deployments? (To say nothing of the fact
that Microsoft might dispute the PHP is king rubric as well :-).
Craig, I assure you that I
Xu:
One of the reasons why you see a lot of PHP apps is that there are always a lot
more small apps
than large scale ones. I can not imagin you program a large scale site using
PHP. If you are an OO
guy, I could hardly imagin you even would like PHP(mixing all server side code
with html code).
JSF has been there for a while. We have to see how it does in real
applications.
EJB has been there for many years, but its complexity of configuration (at
least before mature tools were developed) kept many J2EE projects expensive and
over budgets (bad ROI examples).
Thus we have so many
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