Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrading from Repository killed LO

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) People keep saying the beta is 3.4 but the files show 3.3.4 or 3_3.4. Presumably people are just using a short-hand that ignores the 1st 3_ ? Which seems sensible but i get confused thinking there is a different beta for a major mile-stone release. Regards from Tom :)

all good :) Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Download

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
Lol, easily done and we all get those sorts of blind-spots from time-to-time. Glad to hear you have sorted it now, nicely done :) Regards from Tom :) From: Bill Robison robison2...@gmail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 17 April, 2011 3:09:41 Subject:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font display in LibreOffice documents

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
From: Ken Springer snows...@dishmail.net To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 17 April, 2011 1:31:09 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Font display in LibreOffice documents On 4/15/11 1:06 PM, Sascha Vieweg wrote: Hello, being an extensive user of LibO rather

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) An accountant once pointed out to me that although we keep hearing farmers complain about too much sun, too much rain or too little sun, too little rain and the state of the economy he had never met a poor farmer. I asked if he had ever met a poor anyone given that he was an accountant.

[libreoffice-users] Spreadsheet Problem

2011-04-17 Thread Bill Lundberg
I have a fairly small spreadsheet that when I last opened it, all there was on the screen was a spreadsheet with a bunch of letter and numbers. Can anyone tell me what it is and how I might bet my data back in a form that I can read ? Thanks - Bill -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to

[libreoffice-users] Re: Spreadsheet Problem

2011-04-17 Thread plino
It's hard to guess what happened to the file or what format it is in... If the data is not confidential, please upload it somewhere (e.g. http://depositfiles.com/en/) and post the link here. -- View this message in context:

Re: [libreoffice-users] How unstable is unstable?

2011-04-17 Thread Andy Brown
Ben McGinnes wrote: Hello, Currently the record macro option, which was active by default in OpenOffice.org, is disabled by default and activated via the enable experimental (unstable) features option in Tools Options General. I am curious to know just what degree of instability

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Glenn, I think he's currently second richest, I can't remember his name, but there's a guy in Mexico who owns a telecom company who is currently richer. Of course at that level, what's a billion or two? Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:43 AM, Glenn glenns...@gmail.com wrote: Wayne, True, I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: [BASIC]: Timer() function only has resolution of 1 second

2011-04-17 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
fre 2011-04-15 klockan 05:11 -0700 skrev Jack: Johnny Rosenberg wrote: GetSystemTicks() Ah, ok. Thanks for the suggestion. Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Seems like one tick is one millisecond, at least on my system. The rest is simple math. I suspect it's a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com wrote: Glenn, I think he's currently second richest, I can't remember his name, but there's a guy in Mexico who owns a telecom company who is currently richer. Of course at that level, what's a billion or two? On this note, I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com wrote: Merge Open Office and Libre Office and you kill the competitive pressures that would drive both projects to greater and greater heights. Keep them apart, and you'll end up with projects that will quickly make Apple's IWork

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Oracle laying off the paid developers wouldn't be good for those people. It's quite possible that we could make a push to get them hired elsewhere. I'm due to send in an article, and they allow me a hell of a lot of freedom on what I write about - can you give me a list of companies which would

[libreoffice-users] Positive result story to share

2011-04-17 Thread bunk3m
Normally the list is about problems and solutions. So I wanted to share something with everyone that is positive. My son has a school supplied laptop that only has MS Office (XP). It is locked down so tight that we can't install anything onto it. He prepared his Powerpoint presentation (in

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Simos Xenitellis
On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:09 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com wrote: Oracle laying off the paid developers wouldn't be good for those people. It's quite possible that we could make a push to get them hired elsewhere. I'm due to send in an article, and they allow me a hell of a lot of freedom

Re: [libreoffice-users] How unstable is unstable?

2011-04-17 Thread Ben McGinnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18/04/11 12:54 AM, Andy Brown wrote: You would do better asking the developers this question, after all they are the ones that set it up that way. Done. With luck I'll get a response I can repost (or re-parse and post) here. Regards, Ben

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
From: Simos Xenitellis simos.li...@googlemail.com To: users@libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 17 April, 2011 18:32:43 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Wayne Borean wbor...@gmail.com

[libreoffice-users] Re: upgrading from Repository killed LO

2011-04-17 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 17/04/11 10:44, plino a écrit : OOo released 3.4 Beta on April 11 and LO jumped on their tail (apparently with extremely bad results on ALL platforms...) Yep, at least OOo 3.4-dev (at it is called) appears to work on my Mac, which certainly can not be said of LO3.4beta :-/ Alex --

Re: [libreoffice-users] How unstable is unstable?

2011-04-17 Thread Ben McGinnes
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 18/04/11 4:51 AM, I wrote: On 18/04/11 12:54 AM, Andy Brown wrote: You would do better asking the developers this question, after all they are the ones that set it up that way. Done. With luck I'll get a response I can repost (or

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrading from Repository killed LO

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Has OOo had any release between 3.3.0 and 3.4? Somehow i get the feeling that they still have not yet got all the improvements LO had in 3.3.0 let alone 3.3.1 and the rest. So, it's really a question of perception rather than real development. LO is developing faster and aiming

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: For MS interoperability- Legacy formats or OOXML?

2011-04-17 Thread Roger T. Imai
Problems with OOXML conversions could be seen as intended by design by Microsoft, which is attempting to supplant the simpler OpenDocument Format standard with its own complex inscrutable standards. Years ago, I found a copy of a memo that appeared to be written by Bill Gates in response to an

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: For MS interoperability- Legacy formats or OOXML?

2011-04-17 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) So that seems to be +3 for .doc (98/2000/Xp) for interoperability when MS Office is in the mix. If it was just Macs and all other Office Suites except MSO then odf would be ideal. With MSO the slightly dodgy and vulnerable .doc (and .xls (for spreadsheets)) seems to be recognised as

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: For MS interoperability- Legacy formats or OOXML?

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Roger, Do you still have a copy of that memo? Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Roger T. Imai roger.t.i...@gmail.comwrote: Problems with OOXML conversions could be seen as intended by design by Microsoft, which is attempting to supplant the simpler OpenDocument Format standard with

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: upgrading from Repository killed LO

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
But OO 3.4 doesn't have the features of LO 3.3. I think that the numbering system needs to be 'broken' so that the two projects can't be confused. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 4:57 PM, Alexander Thurgood alex.thurg...@gmail.com wrote: Le 17/04/11 10:44, plino a écrit : OOo released 3.4

Re: [libreoffice-users] Positive result story to share

2011-04-17 Thread Steve Edmonds
This case is probably not alone. My daughter sent her homework home from school as a .docx from MSO 2010. It opened terribly on her MSO starter 2010 version at home, hardly repairable. It opened better in LO and could be repaired, completed and sent back. steve On 2011-04-18 12:53, Wayne Borean

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and scary as hell to Microsoft. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: @Wayne Being a biologist, I find your

Re: [libreoffice-users] Positive result story to share

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Again, do you mind if I quote? I'm a journalist, and I cover Free Software. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.comwrote: This case is probably not alone. My daughter sent her homework home from school as a .docx from MSO 2010. It opened terribly on

RE: [libreoffice-users] question

2011-04-17 Thread Bruce Carlson
Yes I can understand how you, thinking that you are younger, feeling like you are mature, and all the time it is your inexperience that is restricting you to see only what is put in front of you and you are unable to use logic to put together all that surrounds you so therefore you, as are many

Re: [libreoffice-users] question

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Ah, but the Ribbon menu is important. It's another evolutionary option for the interface. Whether you like it or not is to a certain extent a matter of taste. Quite frankly I hated using a GUI for a long time. It slowed me down too much. It still does slow me down in some ways, a command line is

Re: [libreoffice-users] Positive result story to share

2011-04-17 Thread Steve Edmonds
You are free to quote me. On 2011-04-18 13:42, Wayne Borean wrote: Again, do you mind if I quote? I'm a journalist, and I cover Free Software. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:18 PM, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.comwrote: This case is probably not alone. My daughter sent her

Re: [libreoffice-users] Positive result story to share

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Thank you. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 10:09 PM, Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.comwrote: You are free to quote me. On 2011-04-18 13:42, Wayne Borean wrote: Again, do you mind if I quote? I'm a journalist, and I cover Free Software. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:18

Re: [libreoffice-users] question

2011-04-17 Thread planas
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 22:05 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: Ah, but the Ribbon menu is important. It's another evolutionary option for the interface. Whether you like it or not is to a certain extent a matter of taste. Quite frankly I hated using a GUI for a long time. It slowed me down too much.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread planas
On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 21:41 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and scary as hell to Microsoft. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17, 2011 at 9:12 PM, plino

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting planas jsloz...@gmail.com: On Sun, 2011-04-17 at 21:41 -0400, Wayne Borean wrote: In that case, you can see where I'm leading the conversation, and why my concept of 'Free Software Darwinism' could be really important to us, and scary as hell to Microsoft. Wayne On Sun, Apr 17,

[libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread NoOp
On 04/15/2011 04:21 PM, Vic Dura wrote: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/15/oracle_letting_openoffice_go/ Oracle is turning OpenOffice into a purely community project, and no longer plans to offer a commercial version of the collaboration suite loved by many. I _think_ you are looking

[libreoffice-users] evolution

2011-04-17 Thread Bruce Carlson
Yes Wayne, But you know as well as I do that simply following the leader or blindly following someone else's ideas is no substitute for thinking. Otherwise there would be no evolution only extinction. Could you give us readers a quick list of other short term species that never survived past MS.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Ellison's Oracle washes hands of OpenOffice

2011-04-17 Thread Rob Smith
Not quite so sure I would agree with that one Dave. I supported a Fortune 100 at one point, and they spent a bundle on MS Office licenses to be sure. They also paid site licenses for all their Windows servers. At the time, Server came with 5 seats. On Apr 17, 2011 10:53 PM, Dave Stevens

Re: [libreoffice-users] evolution

2011-04-17 Thread Wayne Borean
Actually Office Dog (from Microsoft Bob) was still around in Office 2004, never used Office 2007 or later, but if you have a copy and the ability to choose 'helpers' is still available, I'll bet he's still in there. They never through anything out. Making people think is something we should all