"anne-ology":
How can this be the fault of the USofA ???
In Europe, footnotes have the same indent as the text body, and their
markers are superscripted.
It was LO behavior too, until some American changed it into the mess we have
today.
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"Robin Hodkinson":
But when I insert a new indent there is no indent at all
That is another change which should bring footnotes to some obscure U$A
standard.
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"Dries Feys":
Met vriendelijke groeten, Salutations distinguées, Kind Regards,
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"Spencer Graves":
> Is there a way to force LO to open it in Writer?
No. PDF documents are graphic files and cannot be easily converted to plain
text.
> is there other software (preferably free and
> open-source) that can read the text (and numbers) and make them
> available to Writer or
05.11.2015 23:19, Tom Davies:
> For some weird reason IE decided to
> rename the downloads from ".msi" to another format.
That 'weird reason' was the error in the default webserver configuration
which no one of LO people cared to fix.
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Valter Mura:
a version of Office
for Linux. Can you please provide the link.
Still waiting for the link...
This version is called 'wine' and it's available in your repository or at
www.winehq.org/download.
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James C Smith:
'Error 1402. Could not open key:HOT_KEY_LOCAL_MACHINE32\Software\Classes\
bmp\OpenWithProgIDs.
The actual issue is that LO has no business messing with this registry key
at all.
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Robinson Tryon:
Grabbing over 86% of the vote, LibreOffice was announced to be the
winner of the 'Office Suite of the Year' poll:
Any poll without Microsoft Office option is invalid.
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Florian Reisinger:
Could you give me the link to the enhancement request?
AOO 19291
DF 31481
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CVAlkan:
it used to be possible to
use a split screen to compare/edit/copy from one part of the same document
That was an enhancement request since 2001 :)
It will not be probably ever implemented as there are core design
deficiencies in SO/OO.o/LO which are preventing this.
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Alex Thurgood:
database programming with
freely accessible tools, rather than being locked in to one vendor.
Such as? Don't tell me fosstards have developed something as elegant as
Access.
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Charles-H. Schulz:
that either Windows 8.1 or some setting peculiar to some systems create
a very bad
experience when installing software...
It is LO misconfigured Apache server which assigns 'application/x-troff-man'
to MSI downloads is creating this experience. It worth noting that
jonathon:
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Mike Scott:
I mentioned irritations in another post, so thought maybe I'll give
one explicitly, as I've bumped into it (afresh) this week.
Why are text styles not available to use within text boxes?
Draw textboxes have a combination of graphic style, text style for the
entire frame and
Andrew Douglas Pitonyak:
With a Turkish locale, I expect
that the first compare will return a 0, but I am unsure how to test
With a virtual machine? I could try it sometime tomorrow.
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Ceranda GmbH:
Even though I am currently based in Germany I wish to use the English
version;
Log in as Administrator, go to Control Panel, International settings and set
the locale to English.
If you foolishly use an Administrator account for everyday work, just do the
step 2.
Ignore
Lera Goncharuk:
А horizontal alignment option for cells of Calc has choice 'filled'
This feature was used for making horizontal rulers in text mode spreadsheets
and is kept for roundtrip compatibility.
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Cley Faye:
http://docs.oasis-open.org/office/v1.2/os/OpenDocument-v1.2-os-part1.html#__RefHeading__1415854_253892949
So, somehow arbitrary BASE64-encoded data are fine in ODF yet an obstacle in
RTF?
Italo Vignoli:
RTF is not standard, and is not documented.
You have been linked the specs. Also, it *is* the standard for the document
interchange since 1986.
the ODF standard, which should replace RTF and
every other document format to achieve interoperability.
So you claim that the
Andreas Säger:
Which non-MS
application can handle every flavour of RTF you throw at it?
The degree of support RTF in application is not related to the 'complexity'
of RTF spec. It has to do with the feature set of particular app. Once
again, if your app lacks half of the features MS Word
Tom Davies:
The Rtf spec kept changing at any whim of MS's. They wouldn't publish the
new specs until month or even years later.
RTF spec is changed according to new product features. Also, it is
extensible, so you can implement any subset you need being able to safely
ignore the rest and
Cley Faye:
is in a straightforward XML file which is as plaintext as an RTF file.
In fact,
it's easier to strip the extra tags out of an XML file
Sure. Now tell us what
{urn:oasis:names:tc:opendocument:xmlns:office:1.0}binary-data element is
for, and what kind of 'plaintext' it does
Tom Davies:
I still think that Rtf is well worth avoiding if at all possible but sadly
a whole load of people fell for MS's marketing. Even to this day there
are
people who believe in using it, despite the findings of the court case.
Which court case? RTF is rather trivial format,
William Drago:
Well, there's no Horizontal Rule under insert.
Support for HR element was intentionally removed to create incompatibility
with MS Office software.
Emulate it by the empty paragraph with the border and adjusted before/after
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Gary Collins:
I'm wondering if it is possible to define a custom order for characters
when comparing strings.
It would be better to use some scripting language to do the sort and import
the result in Calc, as it cannot be solved with LO unless a custom locale is
written and compiled in it.
Francisco Corredera:
instead of the corresponding numeric digit these fields appear,
the generic text or identifier field, but not the number.
Uncheck Options/LibreOffice Writer/View/Display: Field codes checkbox.
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Tom Davies:
I've copied the content out of the html coding...
Does not worth the effort. OP is one of the types who never replies back, so
all correspondence from him can be safely redirected to the loony bucket.
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M Henri Day:
Has Writer adopted too much of Word's _Weltanschauung_ ?...
Of course. Modern documents are consisting of hierarchic blocks, like every
other modern data format, and there is simply no space for WP 'formatting
codes' and other idiocies.
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Tom Davies:
Of course Star Office is still floating around somewhere but it doesn't
bear much resemblance to LibreOffice or even OpenOffice.
That's not true. Most of LO code is leftover from Staroffice days, including
German variable names and comments.
Most of the functionality (and bugs)
Harvey Nimmo:
I think you will find that a .slk file is a symbolic link file
(equivalent to the linux .lnk) so it won't open directly in Calc.
LOL wut? SYmbolic LinK is one of the oldest text data interchange formats.
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Leonardo M. Ramé:
Looks like the attachments were removed, here are the files:
good.xls:
I hope those are fake names?
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tjphipps:
i tried twice to download and install the newest libre suite. the download
went perfectly both times but when i told my computer to install them i
got the same error message both times.
Use Torrent to download the installer.
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IGraham:
Altering the original sheets as little as possible i used =LEFT(cell
ref,1)
This seemed to work, except the values returned aren't seen by vlookup and
can not be summed (but can be added) and dont work in a graph
SUM function skips text values. Use =LEFT(x)+0 or something like that.
A lout known as Charles-H. Schulz:
As for the feature parity with Word 2.0, we have obviously passed that
stage before OpenOffice.org 1.0;
And yet it was not until 4.3, not yet released BTW your suit got support for
paragraphs longer than 64k or tagging the text with a language.
and if it
Charles-H. Schulz:
On this list people call LibreOffice LO. We -sorry to take on my
founder's hat here- never called LibreOffice LO.
Right, you have fixed all the bugs, got a functional parity with Microsoft
Word 2.0, and have a chance to bitch about the acronym. Cheers.
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Jim Seymour:
How do you get embezzlement of funds out of a story about a government
body switching to open standards?
By buying new computers from the suppliers giving the best kickbacks and
dumping the astronomic sums of money into 'open source implementation'
subcontractors, ending up
Jim Seymour:
Nobody ever does that with commercial software,
Vendors of commercial software control their partners.
If there was nothing fishy we would have detailed reports, case studies and,
which is more important, a comparison of costs of the chosen solution and
competitors ones. Here?
Charles-H. Schulz:
The migration process is implimented with the support of Zyxware
Technologies[2]
Another story of embezzling of funds veiled as 'free software migration.'
But officially it was enthusiasts working 12/24 for food.
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Rob Jasper:
If I unselect ALL, aaa gets unselected too (reasonable, since that the
gebaviour for more the one slection values too)
If I now select aaa, the ALL mark is also automatically selected!!
This looks plain wrong to me since no filtering is different then
filtering on 1 value, since
but a problem arises when I
want to send
through the program libre office writer a dadoteko via Gmail or
were any other options to write the addressee is not supported and can
not open
You need a MIME-compatible E-Mail client, like Microsoft Outlook or
Thunderbird to use this feature.
There
Kracked_P_P---webmaster:
There are 797866 lines in the .dic file with the top one the number of
words.
Due to the author's error, it is shipped unmunched. In the proper form it
contains 476898 entries, probably even less if some wordforms are missing.
That is close to 70% misrepresentation.
Kracked_P_P---webmaster:
I might suggest he try the en_US dictionary that contains over 797
thousand words in its list,
That dictionary contains just 476898 words actually.
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Jiergir Ogoerg:
Is there any option in LibreOffice to make it generate _formatted_
underlying XML files?
The XML files by LO are consisting of one long line deliberately to hamper
interoperation with a certain well-known competitor products. As a marketing
decision, it is unlikely to
Ludo Beckers:
I don't know much about spreadsheets, but notice some differences:
It is expected, as Excel 2007+ format support is very incomplete. There is a
small chance the results will be better importing Excel 2003 format.
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Chris Net46:
I would like to install the optional component windows explorer extension
on a Windows 2008 file server because I need to index open document
format files saved on this server.
I believe you can perform administrative installation, then copy the
oofilt[_x64].dll to your own
Sigrid Carrera:
those posts through, that do not insult anyone on the list.
Please quote me where I did insult anyone here. This is slander.
I don't think that there is much use in banning him from the mailing lists
itself
You seem to forget yourself. I am contributing to this project and
Sigrid Carrera:
Who gave that idiot a permission to publish my personal E-mails in a public
list? I never did, so please remove the last message
(53653faf.8010...@gmail.com).
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Tom Cloyd:
Since the last major update (ver. 4.2.1?), my day begins with a serious
of crashes - only after I save both sheets (separately, of course) 6-12
times, each time after some small operation, do they get stable.
You are supposed to use commercial software to do serious work. It is
James E Lang:
After I specified that LO be installed on volume D: the installer still
requires 427MB on C:
Is there any way to avoid using C:?
You can relocate the Windows Installer folder (by creating a directory
junction) and the temporary folder (by setting TEMP environental variable).
Toki:
What you are missing is that there are file layout differences between
the various editions of the same version of MSO.
All those differences are hierarchic. You can read all the files of earlier
version and have a way to ignore unsupported elements from the higher
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IIRC, the formats that are no longer supported
are the ancient StarOffice ones.
StarOffice 5.2 was released in 1998. If that is 'ancient' for you, you are
an idiot that should be kept out from developing office software.
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anne-ology
MSFT has been/is making their system(s) incompatible with others in
order to reap a higher profit-margin ;-(
For the last 23 years Microsoft Office has changed its format TWICE.
Meanwhile, Libreoffice cannot open its own documents from 2001.
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James Knott:
Yeah, that really a problem, especially since LO didn't exist back then.
It was called StarOffice back then.
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Cley Faye:
First alternative (easier): it is possible to install Ubuntu (or other
linux OS) on a chromebook.
So you propose to the person to turn her expensive device into brick by
voiding its warranty? Seriously?
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James Knott:
Gary Kildall, creator of CP/M later took MS to court and
proved that MS-DOS contained directly copied CP/M code.
Gary Kildall was a kind of man who believed that you can write something
once and get dividends from it indefinitely.
That didn't work well.
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CVAlkan:
When WordPerfect 5.x arrived, there was even the ability to display a
graphic preview (almost WYSIWYG) display of the printed output on a normal
character screen - and this was available not only for DOS versions, but on
a wide variety of platforms such as the then popular DEC and DG
e-letter:
filenames with undesirable characters (e.g. m$
people adding spaces, strokes (/, \) etc.)
Spaces are not 'undesirable characters.' \ and / are both invalid filename
characters in Windows.
All your contribution to this newsgroup is spreading FUD about Microsoft
software.
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Jim Seymour:
proprietary software
Irrelevant.
having the propensity to re-write existing documents into
formats incompatible with older versions [1];
Impossible.
gratuitously wildly divergent user interfaces
Document formats cannot have UI.
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Tom Davies:
Do you think ODF stands a chance with its incompatible changes between 1.0
and 1.1, or formulas fiasco?
Or the lack of documentation and a heap of undocumented extensions AOO/LO
uses?
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Jacob Marioni:
All of my ODT won't open properly.
Open them with Notepad. If they do not start with PK letters, it is
corrupted. Use ZIP repair tools to try to fix them.
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Amanda Sloan:
I seem to have it on writer, does the same apply to drawing?
There are several bugs with language assignment in Calc and Draw. Try
changing the language, saving the document, exiting the program completely,
then reopening.
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Jerry Rémy:
As you can see, every accented letter is replaced either with capitalized
letters or some other symbol.
It can happen when you paste the text from a badly made PDF file; in that
case there's no easy solution except search-and-replace.
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Dale Erwin:
There are several Thai-capable fonts that come with Win 7. One of them is
Lucinda console.
Lucida Console does not contain Thai characters. Do not use a toolbar
dropdown to set font; open Format/Character menu (or use styles) and set
Latin and Thai fonts separately in 2
Maxime Bégnis:
The xslt remove any table:number-rows-repeated attributes.
So my question is:
By doing what I describe in this procedure is there a risk to break the
content of the file or to make the file not a valid ODS file?
There is no other way to represent empty rows in ODF tables
Tom Davies:
...Rtf never achieved MS's promise of being an interoperable
format either.
RTF is just a textual dump of document structures. It is as close to
lossless interchange format as it can be.
However ODF is a lot more secure
All text formats are secure as they do not contain
James Knott:
Ever hear of Linux?
Linux is a clone of UNIX, an epitome of a proprietary operating system.
it's the OS used on the space station.
Proven a hoax by Agency.
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James Knott сообщил(а) в новостях следующее:529918d1.30...@rogers.com...
...and then hold [created documents]
hostage, until the users coughs up for MS Office.
There is immense number of software capable import DOC files, due to their
format being virtually unchanged since 1997 or 2007.
Peter West:
Non-FOSS (BSD-licensed software):
Mac OS X (based on BSD and the Mach kernel)
Linux
gcc
Developed by commercial companies:
Android (based on Linux)
apache
Firefox
OpenJDK
saxon
LibreOffice
So far FOSS 'community' created nothing successful. Everything was designed
and implemented
Pedro:
...a free ODF compatible software (LO or other)
That's nonsense. There is the only one ODF software: OpenOffice and its
clones. The entire format is built around the single application from a
single vendor.
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tk:
b) There are office suites that are not deroved from either OOo or MSO that
fully implement ODF specifications and criteria.
And those are... right, none.
There is a reference implementation for the ODF file format.
And it is called...
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John Kennedy
Why can you not buy a computer that is already configured to dual boot?
Because no one needs it.
Or why is it so difficult to buy a computer with no operating system?
Because people buy computers to work, not to tinker with.
Microsoft has decreed to computer manufacturers
Virgil Arrington:
I'm no fan of MS, and I'm sure I don't fully understand all of its business
practices, but I truly hope that disdain for Redmond is not the primary
motivation for LO and other forms of FOSS.
Foss people are hurt that no one is interested in their bungles except
occasional
minhsien0330:
So I want reduce the size of Libreoffice as small as possible.
You cannot do that without breaking functionality.
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M Henri Day:
«[N]o way in which the machine [sic !] with Windows NT could run Ubuntu
10.10 ...» One of the more absurd comments I've yet seen, as anyone here
can verify by checking the Ubuntu system requirements, available here
I'll just note that 512 MB was _the hardware memory limit_ for
M Henri Day:
For those who missed it, here a link to a fascinating TechReport on
München's experience in migrating to open sourceIt might worth noticing that the migration took more than 13 years, several
times of the planned budget, and required all the computers to be replaced
with newer
Regina Henschel:
I do not like the idea to remove characters or group them in another
way. The Unicode groups are well defined and easy to handle.
Unicode groups are non-intuitive and mostly disjointed. Characters like
arrows are impossible to find there.
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Tom Davies:
The article itself clearly states that the project was easily within
budget. Plus the organisation didn't have to upgrade any hardware.
See paragraphs 6 7 under the heading Cost.
The report is missing the salaries. Also, there is no way the machine with
Windows NT could run
Charles-H. Schulz:
Also, it might be useful to remember that developers tend to
contribute because they only want to and find a particular interest in
doing so. Maybe it's for a plain old business interest, but when you're
a volunteer developer, which is the case of the largest majority of
Charles-H. Schulz:
The only way users can contribute is when they are paying. If a developer is
paid for non-user-related applications, it will have the ubiquitous
opensource mentality: I'm a GOD and you insolent worm will crawl on all
fours at my feet because it pleases me to do so.
M. Fioretti:
...shall-we-waste-twelve-more-years-promoting-free-office-suites-instead-of-open-office-formats/
There's no such thing as 'open format'. Any format can only slavishly
describe its reference implementation. There is no reference implementation
for ODF, except a monstrous
Paul:
Don't worry, you can safely ignore Urmas, he's a known troll around
these parts;
You're welcome to name a full reference implementation of ODF format not
using the OO.o/Staroffice code.
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Paul:
...to do
what some company (like Microsoft) thinks you should be able to do, and
only if you pay them very well, open source software believes that
everybody should be able to do whatever they want. That's the very
nature of Open Source: you have the source, change it if you need to.
Oh
Leif Burstroem:
It would be nice if the listing of last used document was split up so when I
use writer I will only get the last used writer documents...
I recall there was a discussion about this and the decision was to keep it
as it is now.
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e-letter:
If you want to save an invoice in m$ format, why have you not bought a
legal copy of m$?
BIFF is a Microsoft format now? What an idiot.
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Adam Tauno Williams:
but it seems I really need an
anchor-to-paragraph-getting-as-close-as-you-can option without either
crashing into other frames or leaving a blank inch and a half on the
previous page.
I'm afraid only DTP applications can ensure adequate placement of drawings.
There's
Per Hyttel Larsen:
I know that in e.g. Korean there are a few rules as to where you may break a
sequence of glyphs. Some must be kept together and be on the same line.
For Chinese/Japanese only some punctuation (like parentheses and quotes) is
kept with following/previous text.
That list can
Don Myers:
Some of the things Microsoft has done are chronicled here in a report
to the European Commission a number of years ago:
One cannot hold in a smile while reading that whine. In particular, the
Wordstar case of 'shell namespace extensions', which a text processor (Even
MS Office
James Knott:
That AARD code was one. They also used hidden API as was revealed when
Borland sued them and more.
'AARD code' was not in any retail version of Windows. It is fake.
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Per Hyttel Larsen:
I am trying to find out if there is a hyphenation module for LibreOffice for
the Chinese language (traditional and/or simplyfied). Can any of you direct
me towards someone who can answer this question?
There cannot be a hyphenation module for Chinese language, as the
\([:digit:].*?[:digit:]\)
works as non-greedy for me (two replacements), and just .* as greedy (1
repl.) for your example.
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Simple. The evil machinations of Microsoft.
I will repeat. If any and all Windows application could use Ctrl+J for
anything, why WordStad suddenly couldn't?
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Paul:
Microsoft, as the developers of the
OS, put code in their OS to capture the Ctrl+J key combination, and not
pass it on to the foreground application. However, they also put in
code to allow an application to request that the key combination be
passed on, code that most people, including
Fredrik Jordas:
Hello, have some problem to download a Swedish version of Libreoffice in my
Finnish version of Windows7-64.
It makes no difference, as you select the UI language during the
installation.
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Virgil Arrington:
Actually, WordStar had different Ctrl+key functions than Word. Yes, today,
Ctrl+J is a shortcut for Justify, but back in the WordStar days, Ctrl+J did
something different...
If it worked in Microsoft Word, how the hell it was 'captured' and
'unavailable' for Wordstar,
P NIKOLIC:
You trying to be funny
Which one is (or was) better then?
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Charles-H. Schulz:
Many people who contribute to the LibreOffice
project discussed the need for us to understand how we could enroll
regular users (whatever that means) to the LibreOffice project.
The LO project is suffering from rock star syndrome: through all those years
there is a bunch of
jonathon:
That must be a reference to the fact that the mean time between starting
MSO on Windows, and seeing the Blue Screen of Death is under sixty
seconds.
/yawn
Or maybe it is a reference to the fact that MSO 2013 is so completely,
utterly, and absolutely incompatible with MSO 2013,
FUD
yahoo-pier_andreit:
but
if J1 is $A$1:$D$5
and the formula:
=VLOOKUP(1,J1,2,0)
the formula doesn't works
You probably want INDIRECT function to create a reference from string.
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Mario Splivalo:
Once in the past I stumbled upon a blog where owner explained how one
can create a Calc document from the data that's in the XML file.
You may try XSLT to get a Flat ODS file.
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Kracked_P_P---webmaster:
MS was the bigest copycats there was back in the early days. They
stole from any package that could get away with.
I was working in the computer field when Apple came out with the first
Mac, and then many of those ideas were used to make the first Windows
OS.
It is
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