Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-19 Thread James Wilde
My son is a technical illiterate and one time, when I had got tired of rescuing his scsrewed-up (often virus-infected) Windows box, I gave him Ubuntu. He only uses his computer to surf to his webmail and to facebook. Nonetheless, he came to me after a week and asked me to re-install Windows as

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-19 Thread Rob Jasper
Tim, agree with you there- Cobol was considered e great modern productivity improvement. I started in assembly. Getting a system running by inserting the bootstrapper papertape on the first punched holes, ste the start address through phisical switches and press the start butten. Only after

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-19 Thread James Knott
On 07/19/2015 07:52 AM, Rob Jasper wrote: Getting a system running by inserting the bootstrapper papertape on the first punched holes On my first computer, I had to use the front toggle several bytes into memory, before there was anything to run. I also worked on some Data General Nova

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-19 Thread Tom Williams
On 07/19/2015 07:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) If Win8 started up at the normal desktop (as it can be set to do now) and then the Metro stuff is used just as the old; Start button - All Programs Then it's kinda ok - err after adding in new tiles for Kodi, LibreOffice, Chrome/Firefox

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-19 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Both Cinnamon and Mate (pronounced similarly to Latte) are both supposedly drop in replacements for the Gnome DE that Ubuntu used to use. They both started with the same code-base that everyone using a Gnome DE on any distro was familiar with and then just upgraded it. VERY similar to the

Re: [OT] [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-19 Thread Tom Williams
On 07/18/2015 07:51 PM, toki wrote: On 07/18/2015 10:08 PM, James Knott wrote: Tell that to all the scientists who use supercomputers. The vast majority of them, including my cousin, run Linux. If you want state of the art software, that costs a fortune, you run *Nix. If you want

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-19 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Err, i tend to stick with Unity for myself. Some of my work-colleagues couldn't cope with the simplicity and the way it doesn't look like Xp or Win7. So i had a quick look at KDE again and was surprised at how fast it's become. It even out-performed Cinnamon and Mate and even LXDE on many

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-19 Thread Felmon Davis
On Sun, 19 Jul 2015, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Err, i tend to stick with Unity for myself. Some of my work-colleagues couldn't cope with the simplicity and the way it doesn't look like Xp or Win7. So i had a quick look at KDE again and was surprised at how fast it's become. It even

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-19 Thread Joe Conner
On 07/19/2015 04:52 AM, Rob Jasper wrote: Tim, agree with you there- Cobol was considered e great modern productivity improvement. I started in assembly. Getting a system running by inserting the bootstrapper papertape on the first punched holes, ste the start address through phisical

Re: [OT] [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-19 Thread Gary Dale
On 19/07/15 02:43 PM, Tom Williams wrote: On 07/18/2015 07:51 PM, toki wrote: On 07/18/2015 10:08 PM, James Knott wrote: Tell that to all the scientists who use supercomputers. The vast majority of them, including my cousin, run Linux. If you want state of the art software, that costs a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-19 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) If Win8 started up at the normal desktop (as it can be set to do now) and then the Metro stuff is used just as the old; Start button - All Programs Then it's kinda ok - err after adding in new tiles for Kodi, LibreOffice, Chrome/Firefox etc, removing quite a lot of the default useless ones

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
On 07/18/2015 09:32 AM, Thomas wrote: On 2015/07/18 6:50, Jack Wallen wrote: Thank you for sharing that, Charles (I'm the author). Glad to know it resonated. Jack Thank YOU, Mr. Wallen, for your article. Although I know, this does not belong here, just a word. I have been trying (STRUGGLING)

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Thomas
On 2015/07/18 6:50, Jack Wallen wrote: Thank you for sharing that, Charles (I'm the author). Glad to know it resonated. Jack Thank YOU, Mr. Wallen, for your article. Although I know, this does not belong here, just a word. I have been trying (STRUGGLING) to move away from MS and get friendly

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Luuk
On 17-7-2015 23:47, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/07/15 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote: For those on the list using or contemplating Linux, this was interesting. Frankly though, I'm confused as to why more software vendors don't compile to libwine . libwine is about 'bondage'.. It

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Paolo Debortoli
hi. personal experience. I started using linux about 12 years ago installation and configuration are just a bit longer than in windows systems (but you can find a lot of documentation). Linux systems are, by the way, more transparent (if you want to know what happens behind the interface),

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 04:31 AM, yahoo-pier_andreit wrote: On 07/18/2015 09:32 AM, Thomas wrote: On 2015/07/18 6:50, Jack Wallen wrote: Thank you for sharing that, Charles (I'm the author). Glad to know it resonated. Jack Thank YOU, Mr. Wallen, for your article. Although I know, this does not belong

[OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Felmon Davis
On Sat, 18 Jul 2015, Thomas wrote: Although I know, this does not belong here, just a word. I have been trying (STRUGGLING) to move away from MS and get friendly with Linux for 7-8 years now! So far with little success. Yet, I still keep trying. this makes me wonder what the top two or

Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I'm sure people on this mailing list might be happy to help with 1 or 2 questions about how to do a certain thing or 2 in linux. Such questions often turn out to be quite popular threads even though they are a little off-topic. I think a lot of people take a similar route to me. Even now

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 01:29 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 But Wine is about bondage in the sense that it keeps you using stuff that is made for Windows. Making stuff that needs Wine in order to work kinda keeps you locked-in to the Windows world. By contrast we see many native GnuLinux programs

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread toki
On 07/18/2015 05:29 PM, Tom Davies wrote: If programs plan to become cross-platform then initially writing for Linux seems to be the optimum route. If a programming team delivers a usable Linux product in one year, then for a second platform, it will take the same team six months to deliver

Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread James Knott
On 07/18/2015 05:56 PM, Tom Williams wrote: Comments about how Linux is good for basic things and not good for productivity. Tell that to all the scientists who use supercomputers. The vast majority of them, including my cousin, run Linux. Also, a while ago, all the computers on the

Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 06:10 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote: On 2015-07-18 04:02 PM, Gary Dale wrote: The top reason people find hard is almost certainly that you have to install it. That's not entirely accurate. There are a few (not many) companies that specialize in selling Linux-preinstalled machines.

Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Malgosia Askanas
Heh heh. But then the _real_ top reason would be that you can't acquire a Linux machine in a hurry. True enough. On 2015-07-18 06:16 PM, Gary Dale wrote: On 18/07/15 06:10 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote: On 2015-07-18 04:02 PM, Gary Dale wrote: The top reason people find hard is almost

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 02:25 PM, Harvey Nimmo wrote: On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 08:21 -0400, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/18/2015 03:42 AM, Eric wrote: On 07/17/2015 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote: For those on the list using or contemplating Linux, this was interesting.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread yahoo-pier_andreit
On 07/18/2015 02:39 PM, Paolo Debortoli wrote: hi. personal experience. I started using linux about 12 years ago installation and configuration are just a bit longer than in windows systems (but you can find a lot of documentation). Linux systems are, by the way, more transparent (if you

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Harvey Nimmo
On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 16:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 18/07/15 02:25 PM, Harvey Nimmo wrote: On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 08:21 -0400, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/18/2015 03:42 AM, Eric wrote: On 07/17/2015 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote: For those on the list using or

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Ian Whitfield
I couldn't find a good OCR solution for linux either. Project for someone? Cheers Harvey I also battled to find a good OCR program for a couple of years on my Linux System (PClinuxOS)!! Then about two years or eighteen months back I came across the combination of YAGF with Tesseract.

Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Tom Williams
On 07/18/2015 10:44 AM, Felmon Davis wrote: On Sat, 18 Jul 2015, Thomas wrote: Although I know, this does not belong here, just a word. I have been trying (STRUGGLING) to move away from MS and get friendly with Linux for 7-8 years now! So far with little success. Yet, I still keep trying.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 05:15 PM, Harvey Nimmo wrote: On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 16:05 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 18/07/15 02:25 PM, Harvey Nimmo wrote: On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 08:21 -0400, Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster wrote: On 07/18/2015 03:42 AM, Eric wrote: On 07/17/2015 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote:

Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 06:30 PM, Malgosia Askanas wrote: Heh heh. But then the _real_ top reason would be that you can't acquire a Linux machine in a hurry. True enough. No, the real reason is that people don't have the option in front of them to even realize that it is possible. -- To unsubscribe

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread James Knott
On 07/18/2015 11:00 AM, Gary Dale wrote: And after looking at Windows 8, it seems to be getting worse, not better. I have to use 8.1 on my work computer and have 10 in a virtual machine. While 10 is an improvement on 8.1, it's still nowhere near what W7 was. -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-18 Thread Tom Williams
On 07/18/2015 11:28 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Something i really appreciate most about Linux is that it's so easy to change the gui - or more importantly that if you don't like the crazy new things that have been done to the gui then you can fairly easily go back to the old one or on to

Re: [OT] Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Malgosia Askanas
On 2015-07-18 04:02 PM, Gary Dale wrote: The top reason people find hard is almost certainly that you have to install it. That's not entirely accurate. There are a few (not many) companies that specialize in selling Linux-preinstalled machines. The two that immediately come to mind are

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 11:35 AM, Luuk wrote: On 17-7-2015 23:47, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/07/15 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote: For those on the list using or contemplating Linux, this was interesting. Frankly though, I'm confused as to why more software vendors don't compile to libwine .

[libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) I think this mailing list is often quite helpful about wider issues than it is meant for. This mailing list has been quite supportive of people with questions about various versions of Linux. I really like it when someone who has been a huge help to others about technical issues in

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Luuk
On 18-7-2015 18:00, Gary Dale wrote: Windows is like a pyramid scheme that way. They sucker developers into using only their products so that users have no choice but to buy licenses to run their products properly. And that is exactly why you should not _DEVELOP_ using libwine (using it,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) +1 But Wine is about bondage in the sense that it keeps you using stuff that is made for Windows. Making stuff that needs Wine in order to work kinda keeps you locked-in to the Windows world. By contrast we see many native GnuLinux programs are then ported over to Mac and Windows

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-18 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) Something i really appreciate most about Linux is that it's so easy to change the gui - or more importantly that if you don't like the crazy new things that have been done to the gui then you can fairly easily go back to the old one or on to something else entirely. The under-laying system

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-18 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Tom, you might want to take a look at Linux Mint (current version 17.2) ; if you're using a desktop as your main box, I think you will find the GUI - I personally prefer Cinnamon - far superior to Ubuntu's Unity (Cinnamon can, of course, be installed on Ubuntu to replace Unity) and the OS is

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative helpsupport

2015-07-18 Thread M Henri Day
2015-07-18 19:09 GMT+02:00 Tom Davies tomc...@gmail.com: Hi :) I think this mailing list is often quite helpful about wider issues than it is meant for. This mailing list has been quite supportive of people with questions about various versions of Linux. I really like it when someone who

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Harvey Nimmo
On Sat, 2015-07-18 at 12:00 -0400, Gary Dale wrote: On 18/07/15 11:35 AM, Luuk wrote: On 17-7-2015 23:47, Gary Dale wrote: On 17/07/15 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote: For those on the list using or contemplating Linux, this was interesting. Frankly though, I'm confused as to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Gary Dale
On 18/07/15 01:04 PM, Luuk wrote: On 18-7-2015 18:00, Gary Dale wrote: Windows is like a pyramid scheme that way. They sucker developers into using only their products so that users have no choice but to buy licenses to run their products properly. And that is exactly why you should not

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread Tim---Kracked_P_P---webmaster
On 07/18/2015 11:54 AM, charles meyer wrote: Hi Jack, You’re most welcome. I think many Windows users are married to old verbiage they heard years ago (some unfounded) about how you’ll need to learn to code or have to learn language like the old DOS to make Linux work and so propelled by fear

Re: [OT] [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-18 Thread toki
On 07/18/2015 10:08 PM, James Knott wrote: Tell that to all the scientists who use supercomputers. The vast majority of them, including my cousin, run Linux. If you want state of the art software, that costs a fortune, you run *Nix. If you want almost state of the art, that costs a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-17 Thread Jack Wallen
Thank you for sharing that, Charles (I'm the author). Glad to know it resonated. Jack On 07/17/2015 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote: For those on the list using or contemplating Linux, this was interesting. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/

Re: [libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-17 Thread Gary Dale
On 17/07/15 05:25 PM, charles meyer wrote: For those on the list using or contemplating Linux, this was interesting. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ No one really addressed software only written for Windows - e.g. Dragon Naturally Speaking.

[libreoffice-users] Linux alternative

2015-07-17 Thread charles meyer
For those on the list using or contemplating Linux, this was interesting. http://www.techrepublic.com/article/alternative-is-the-question-linux-is-the-answer/ No one really addressed software only written for Windows - e.g. Dragon Naturally Speaking. There doesn't seem to be a good open source