[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 09.10.2015 um 04:47 schrieb John R. Sowden: > I have been dealing with this issue for years, going back to the Open > Office days. > > How do you install Libreoffice under Ubuntu? > After all those years, you never googled, you never asked anybody, you never tried anything with or without

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) I'm sorry i still haven't compared your instructions with the ones already on the wiki. :( It might well be the case that the wiki can be improved because the instructions in your first response were superbly succinct and yet very clear. An ideal combination! :) If someone else has the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) Good :) Suggesting changes, or even directly making them yourself, is part of the whole OpenSource experience. It is on a wiki-page there so it's easy to revert changes if people don't like them so anyone can edit directly. Just bear in mind that 'everyone' can easily see the edit you

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

I can't resist. In the code, the variable "loupdate" is used. Suggest name for code snippet be "loup" for LibreOfficeUpdate function. Pun in English from the Google... LOOP - a structure, series, or process the end of which is connected to the beginning. On 10/11/2015 10:54 AM, Andreas

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

See below as [...] -- Jim -Original Message- From: Alex Thurgood <alex.thurg...@gmail.com> To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sun, 11 Oct 2015 2:46 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Suffice it

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 11/10/15 23:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: > One frustration I've noticed recently is with LO's "Sidebar." In the past, I > had > my paragraph styles locked in a Sidebar. Now, the Styles box shares the > Sidebar > with the Properties, Gallery, and Navigator boxes, and when I open a new file, >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) Unfortunately the rest of the LibreOffice Community uses the word "Stable" to mean something completely different from our ('normal' users) understanding of the word. They 'just' mean the program wont crash. They get very offended at the mention of the idea of being less than stable

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 10/12/2015 08:15 AM, Philip Jackson wrote: But I can slide the styles box to appear at the top of the side bar and this setting not only 'sticks' with the document but remains for new documents started and for others opened. How do you slide it? I've tried dragging it with a left-click

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) Brilliant, that reminded me to do the wiki part. So the script is now here; https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Install/Linux#Script_For_Installing Hopefully i might remember to sort the other bits for that wiki later on or tomorrow. Anyone else is welcome to do the copy for

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 12/10/15 16:20, Virgil Arrington wrote: > > > On 10/12/2015 08:15 AM, Philip Jackson wrote: >> But I can slide the styles box to appear at the top of the side bar and this >> setting not only 'sticks' with the document but remains for new documents >> started and for others opened. > > How

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

+20 Alex Thurgood 11 Oct 2015 11:44via Postbox Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this discussion list, but

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit : Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less justified or relevant. What he dislikes is badly implemented change for change's sake, and that is an inherent problem in

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Setting aside the discussion that followed, I would like to thank Andreas for his explanation of installing Debian packages from the command line. I've been using Ubuntu for about a year now, and I've learned how to use the Software Center and Synaptic as well as the "sudo apt-get..."

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Le 11/10/2015 14:15, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : Charles, > > I do not know where you got that support and security updates are only > available on Linux. That is factually wrong and serious bullshit. Get your > facts straight: support is the same for the three officially supported >

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Le 11/10/2015 14:50, Cor Nouws a écrit : > > Mind that not changing and improving compared where we are and were five > years ago, is no option. Agreed, but not, and I am expressing my own opinion, to the detriment of dropping a software behaviour nuke on the users/admins. >> At present, long

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Le 11 octobre 2015 14:12:37 GMT+02:00, "Andreas Säger" a écrit : >Am 10.10.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Florian Reisinger: >> Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? > >Macro coders depend on either MRI (Python extension) or XRay (Basic >library). Both tools

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) +1 Although we often disagree with each other and have heated arguments at times i have a lot of respect for the technical support Andreas gives and also for his links to or suggestions of other places that give good support. He is a classic example of someone who works in both communities.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) Yes the separate sub-folders for different Desktop Environments was a work-around for some intractable problem which did eventually magically unravel and get fixed. I can't remember exactly when, maybe 4.2.0 or 4.3.0 - it was just after i found out about the work-around and was still

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) Many Gnu distros offer their own somewhat independent support through their own forums, mailing lists and bug-report systems. That type of support is not available to Windows users and may not be available to Mac people. However it is true that there are many other support systems

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi Cor :) LibreOffice has many advantages. One is the fast-paced development cycle. As with all projects there are advantages and disadvantages. One of the few disadvantages with LibreOffice is it's lack of an official LTS. Hopefully people who have a strong need for an LTS are able to find

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 10.10.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Florian Reisinger: > Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? Macro coders depend on either MRI (Python extension) or XRay (Basic library). Both tools can be linked to the alphabetic index of the IDL reference for OpenOffice, however LibreOffice

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Le 11 octobre 2015 11:44:33 GMT+02:00, Alex Thurgood a écrit : >Le 10/10/2015 23:36, Italo Vignoli a écrit : > >Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this >discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less >justified >or relevant.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi all, Alex Thurgood wrote on 11-10-15 11:44: > Suffice it to say that Andreas is a vociferous participant in this > discussion list, but that doesn't make his criticisms any less justified > or relevant. Indeed. Maybe I do not have the same opinion as Andreas always, but his technical

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Thank you for the positive feedback. I hope you noticed the correction of Oct 10, 2015; 1:12pm by Jean-Baptiste Faure-3 that there is no desktop-integration subfolder anymore. Well, there used to be a reason why it was organized this way, anyway. If the file /usr/bin/soffice does not exist,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Alex Thurgood wrote on 11-10-15 15:06: > Agreed, but not, and I am expressing my own opinion, to the detriment of > dropping a software behaviour nuke on the users/admins. I hope that, compared to functionality in other software and on other devices, most changes will not be experienced as such

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) As you've probably noticed this mailing list often pulls in at least 2, often surprisingly opposite directions. * Technical Support * User Support Often those who do an excellent job near the extremes of one find themselves infuriated by those who work near the extreme of the other. I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Le 11 octobre 2015 17:28:30 GMT+02:00, Tom Davies a écrit : >Hi :) >Many Gnu distros offer their own somewhat independent support >through >their own forums, mailing lists and bug-report systems. > >That type of support is not available to Windows users and may not be

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) +1 to both points. The UI issue is cropping up more often but many people, get over their initial dislike and prefer the return to sanity because it makes it easier to find things and easier to learn new stuff. The formats issue is mostly one of perception. People still believe the MS

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Le 11 octobre 2015 14:43:39 GMT+02:00, Alex Thurgood a écrit : >Le 11/10/2015 14:15, Charles-H. Schulz a écrit : > > >Charles, > >> >> I do not know where you got that support and security updates are >only available on Linux. That is factually wrong and serious

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 11/10/15 11:44, Alex Thurgood wrote: > I would suggest putting yourself in an admin's place where they have > probably invested long hours in developing a turnkey > OpenOffice/LibreOffice solution for their group of users, then finding > one day that that longstanding behaviour has changed

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 10/11/2015 12:48 PM, Italo Vignoli wrote: On 11/10/15 11:44, Alex Thurgood wrote: I would suggest putting yourself in an admin's place where they have probably invested long hours in developing a turnkey OpenOffice/LibreOffice solution for their group of users, then finding one day that

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) The original question was about getting the newer versions installed. Ubuntu, especially their LTSes, tends to have quite old versions. Many people take a while to realise they are fine to keep using older versions, even ones that are no longer officially supported. Others enjoy being on

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi Looking at the subject line I am confused. Ubuntu ships with a version of LO in each release and LO is in the official Ubuntu repositories. So what was the actual question, which was never clear to me. The only question that made any sense was how to install a Ubuntu ppa for the latest

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Andreas Säger wrote > If you don't want any desktop integration because you want to use the new > suite as a secondary suite, rename/remove the desktop-ingegration.deb file > _before_ running dpkg and everything *should* be fine IMHO. Oh, that was sloppy posting because renaming won't prevent

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) No need to "beat yourself up over it". Your initial post made enough sense that people were able to run with it. Effectively it was little more than a typo and under a stress that none of us enjoy but a few have had to endure = so i think we can appreciate it being such a tiny and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 10/11/2015 02:37 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to both points. The UI issue is cropping up more often but many people, get over their initial dislike and prefer the return to sanity because it makes it easier to find things and easier to learn new stuff. UI changes frustrate me to no

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 10/11/2015 03:42 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Heck, many places grumble about 'having to' upgrade from Xp because it 'only' lasted 10 years! Some organisations happily pay millions per year extra purely in order to be able to stay with the same old Xp and STILL haven't developed a strategy for

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi Tom and all: Thanks for the explanation about Software Center, Synaptic and Apt-get command. Regards, Jorge Rodríguez El dom, 11-10-2015 a las 15:40 +0100, Tom Davies escribió: > Hi :) > +1 > Although we often disagree with each other and have heated arguments at > times i have a

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 11/10/15 21:24, Virgil Arrington wrote: > having learned the old Wordstar Ctrl-key combinations and PC-Write's function > key combinations. I'd love to be able to use the Wordstar Command Set, when editing documents with LibreOffice, as would most users that are blind. Ideally, every

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) You are welcome :) I'm chuffed that i knew something you didn't already know. You often seem to be ahead of me with most things :) Not by your behaviour. You don't "act superior". You just say things that i didn't know and so i learn from you. So, i was glad to be able to help :)

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) "Thanks for the flowers"/approval which i've snipped. It's a shock to finally agree on something! :)) The LTS approach was a new way of dealing with an old problem. The old and still current problem is that projects are pulled in 2 opposing directions; 1. exciting and new developments,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 10/11/2015 03:42 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) "Thanks for the flowers"/approval which i've snipped. It's a shock to finally agree on something! :)) The LTS approach was a new way of dealing with an old problem. The old and still current problem is that projects are pulled in 2 opposing

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

+1 to Virgil's comments. Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA On 10/11/2015 02:24 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: On 10/11/2015 02:37 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) +1 to both points. The UI issue is cropping up more often but many people, get over their initial dislike and prefer the return to sanity

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 10.10.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Florian Reisinger: > Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? This one is a tiny example but symptomatic for the whole development process: > https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/show_bug.cgi?id=94557 New "feature" without specification nor

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu --- why version 12.04 LTS?

On 10/09/2015 01:33 AM, Евгений wrote: I think fresh PPA is - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa There are instaructions on how to add ppa in your distro (see "Read about installing"). After that you can use any way to install libreoffice. I am using fresh ppa on 12.04 and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) I suspect that's it's mostly only the "Fresh" branch. LibreOffice has an extremely fast-paced development. Each new branch introduces tons of new functionality and deals with legacy problems. This is partly "catch up", partly recoding to reduce the wide number of different programming

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) Looks like a teaching lesson where the dev learned a lot about practical and real-world coding that maybe hadn't been taught in his largely theoretical studies. Looks like they had the suitable qualifications on their CV but lacked a bit of "street"-wisdom. Also looks like most of their

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Please avoid entering in a discussion with a well know enemy of LibreOffice. Andreas Saeger aka Villeroy has been spreading FUD about LibreOffice since forever. People happy with a dead and buggy software - aka Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing lists. On

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So please unsubscribe yourself from this list, stay with OpenOffice and don't bother us anymore, thank you.ValterOpen Source is better!Sent from my Android device Messaggio originale Oggetto: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in UbuntuDa: Andreas Säger

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 10.10.2015 um 15:27 schrieb Florian Reisinger: > Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? > Would you be so kind as to tell us how to enter some numbers into a Writer table? LibreOffice 4.4 menu:File>New>Text Ctrl+F12 [Insert] menu:Table>Number Recognition is checked Locale

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On Sat, 10 Oct 2015, Brian Barker wrote: At 23:36 10/10/2015 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: People happy with ... Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing lists. Hold on: you suggest that people with opposing views should be silenced? suggesting someone avoids

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

At 18:52 10/10/2015 -0400, Felmon Davis wrote: suggesting someone avoids commenting is not the same as silencing them. It's asking for their silence. but like you, I want to hear different perspectives. Good-oh! Brian Barker -- To unsubscribe e-mail to:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

At 23:36 10/10/2015 +0200, Italo Vignoli wrote: People happy with ... Apache OpenOffice - should avoid commenting on LibreOffice mailing lists. Hold on: you suggest that people with opposing views should be silenced? Most civilised democracies value the expression of opposing views, even at

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) I think that is one thing many of us on this list agree on. I think most of us have said it at some point or other over the years. I think it's a travesty that "Fresh" appears to be the only option on the official downloads page to first-timers and that getting the more solid, reliable

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:50 schrieb Mark Phillips: > On Thu, Oct 8, 2015 at 7:47 PM, John R. Sowden > wrote: > > If you find Linux and LO so offensive that you have to publicly whine like > this instead of asking meaningful questions about a particular prorblem, I >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi, Le 09/10/2015 11:58, Andreas Säger a écrit : [...] > > For any "desktop integration" you can install an additional package go > to subdir of en-US/DEBS: > >> cd desktop-integration The subdirectory desktop-integration does not exist anymore in LO 4 and LO 5 installation archives. All

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

On 09/10/15 18:02, Tom Davies wrote: > So while the whole wiki is generally agreed to be a bit of a mess it's > difficult to move or rename resources which people probably have their own > links to, or have become familiar navigating too and might be taken aback > if it suddenly looked as

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 10.10.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Philip Jackson: > > Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation website. > > It explains why I often have trouble finding answers there. I keep a local > copy > of "OpenOffice.org 3 Writer Guide" on my machine and can often find answers >

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Would you be so kind as to tell us which aspects got worse? Am 10. Oktober 2015 15:26:08 MESZ, schrieb "Andreas Säger" : >Am 10.10.2015 um 15:23 schrieb Philip Jackson: >> >> Thank you Tom for that interesting explanation of the documentation >website. >> >> It explains

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 09.10.2015 um 07:33 schrieb Евгений: > I think fresh PPA is - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa > > There are instaructions on how to add ppa in your distro (see "Read about > installing"). > After that you can use any way to install libreoffice. > I am using fresh ppa on

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) I think John Sowdon is suggesting that it might be a good idea to have simple instructions on the official website and make them easily accessible to noobs. This would be something for the Website's Team to discuss. The current page is under the "Get Help" 'tab'-type thing at the top of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hi :) Ahhh, there is actually a link to the "installation instructions" on the downloads page but there is a LOT to read there and the link is not very noticeable. Regards from Tom :) On 9 October 2015 at 17:02, Tom Davies wrote: > Hi :) > I think John Sowdon is suggesting

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Hmmm, one way that noobs become non-noobs is by following clear directions a few times. I agree with John Sowdon, and I abhore "screw-you" snobs. Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA On 10/09/2015 11:48 AM, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 09.10.2015 um 18:02 schrieb Tom Davies: Hi :) I think John Sowdon is

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 09.10.2015 um 22:03 schrieb Joe Conner: > Hmmm, one way that noobs become non-noobs is by following clear > directions a few times. I agree with John Sowdon, and I abhore > "screw-you" snobs. > > Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA Go ahead. Write a clear instruction how to install LibreOffice on

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

Am 09.10.2015 um 04:47 schrieb John R. Sowden: > I have been dealing with this issue for years, going back to the Open > Office days. > > How do you install Libreoffice under Ubuntu? > Using the command line, this is a matter of seconds. If you can not use a command line, stick with the version

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

I have been using the command line since trs-80, cp/m and dos before moving to linux. What are the commands? (Fresh PPA) John On 10/08/2015 08:50 PM, Andreas Säger wrote: Am 09.10.2015 um 04:47 schrieb John R. Sowden: I have been dealing with this issue for years, going back to the Open

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing Libreoffice in Ubuntu

I think fresh PPA is - https://launchpad.net/~libreoffice/+archive/ubuntu/ppa There are instaructions on how to add ppa in your distro (see "Read about installing"). After that you can use any way to install libreoffice. I am using fresh ppa on 12.04 and have no problems with dependencies. If

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing LibreOffice under Ubuntu 9.10 aka Karmic

Yes, that does work. But I was looking for a solution that didn't involve manually downloading, unpackaging, etc... In theory, adding the PPA options would not only install the current version but also allow updates when available. What puzzles me is that unless Hit means something different,

[libreoffice-users] Re: Installing LibreOffice under Ubuntu 9.10 aka Karmic

On 02/15/2011 11:46 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote: On Tue, Feb 15, 2011 at 10:07 PM, plino pedl...@gmail.com wrote: I'm an advanced Windows user but absolute Linux newbie. Not uncommmon. : W: Failed to fetch http://ppa.launchpad.net/libreoffice/ppa/ubuntu/dists/karmic/main/binary-i386/Packages.gz

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing LibreOffice under Ubuntu 9.10 aka Karmic

I tired a PPA several times with Ubuntu 9.x and 10.04. It failed have the time I tried to install anything via PPA. So I do not use it. I think we need to make sure that the people who are Linux users have clear options fir installing via PPA and through the standard web site download and

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing LibreOffice under Ubuntu 9.10 aka Karmic

On 02/16/2011 08:49 PM, MR ZenWiz wrote: On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 5:32 PM, webmaster for Kracked Press Productionswebmas...@krackedpress.com wrote: I tired a PPA several times with Ubuntu 9.x and 10.04. It failed have the time I tried to install anything via PPA. So I do not use it. Gary