Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-06 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 05/05/2013 at 15:22, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: But the company's goals should be to meet the user's goals first. If you don't meet your users goals, your level of success will never reach the top. Precisely: company's product should meet company's target users goals. I am sure

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-06 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Miroslaw Zalewski [mini...@poczta.onet.pl] Sent: Monday, May 06, 2013 8:25 AM In open source world, you are supposed to scratch your own itch (that is: send patches or hire someone to do it for you). If you can't or are unable to, then you might be better off somewhere else. This is one of

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Le 05/05/2013 02:10, Ken Springer a écrit : One of my other personal gripes about today's computer users and some employers. IMO, this is a long time marketting motto which I try to fight: IT is *not* easy and IT is *not* intuitive. Unfortunately, for more than 30 years, the powers-that-be

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Milos Sramek
Dear Ken, could you please post numbers of these bugs here? The topic sounds to be interesting Thanks Milos Dňa 05.05.2013 00:32, Ken Springer wrote / napísal(a): As I noted in private email, LO still has not assigned two bugs I filed to anyone yet. They are classified a low priority. As I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Mirosław Zalewski
On 05/05/2013 at 00:32, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: As I noted in private email, LO still has not assigned two bugs I filed to anyone yet. They are classified a low priority. As I mentioned, the issues are not low priority to me, so if they don't want to fix them, I'll pay for a

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 2:35 AM, Milos Sramek wrote: Dear Ken, could you please post numbers of these bugs here? The topic sounds to be interesting Thanks Milos Dňa 05.05.2013 00:32, Ken Springer wrote / napísal(a): As I noted in private email, LO still has not assigned two bugs I filed to anyone yet.

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
Hi, Mirosław, Interspersed reply below. On 5/5/13 4:08 AM, Mirosław Zalewski wrote: On 05/05/2013 at 00:32, Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com wrote: As I noted in private email, LO still has not assigned two bugs I filed to anyone yet. They are classified a low priority. As I mentioned, the

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 12:13 AM, Jean-Francois Nifenecker wrote: Le 05/05/2013 02:10, Ken Springer a écrit : One of my other personal gripes about today's computer users and some employers. IMO, this is a long time marketting motto which I try to fight: IT is *not* easy and IT is *not* intuitive.

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 5:45 AM, Virgil Arrington wrote: A program is intuitive if it matches something in our previous experience. Before computers, business professionals used typewriters. If you want a computer to be intuitive, you need to make it work as much like a typewriter as possible. (I'm still

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Doug
Last night I replied to a posting from Andrew K., and I thought I sent it to the list, but apparently9 I didn't. So here it is: On 05/04/2013 11:14 PM, Andrew K wrote: Hi, I use styles as much as I can, just to achieve consistent formatting, to say nothing of time saving. I find that most

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Jean-Francois Nifenecker
Doug, Le 05/05/2013 17:29, Doug a écrit : I may be wrong, but it would seem to me that all this fuss about styles is made by people who are trying to do desktop publishing. Styles are, obviously, a step towards DTP but, as you emphasize, a word processor is no DTP (as much as a word

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread V Stuart Foote
From: Ken Springer [snowsh...@q.com] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:49 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=46986 Will wonders never cease... The first

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Doug
On 05/05/2013 01:19 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Doug wrote, I may be wrong, but it would seem to me that all this fuss about styles is made by people who are trying to do desktop publishing. That's fine, altho there are probably better programs to do that, even available to Linux users. I'm

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 13:49 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On 5/5/13 2:35 AM, Milos Sramek wrote: Dear Ken, could you please post numbers of these bugs here? The topic sounds to be interesting Thanks Milos Dňa 05.05.2013 00:32, Ken Springer wrote / napísal(a): As I

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
where the fault lays. On 5/5/13 10:58 AM, V Stuart Foote wrote: From: Ken Springer [snowsh...@q.com] Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 7:49 AM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=44871 https://bugs.freedesktop.org

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
:)  From: Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net To: Virgil Arrington cuyfa...@hotmail.com; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 19:20 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On 05/05/2013 01:19 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Doug wrote, I

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 12:20 PM, Doug wrote: On 05/05/2013 01:19 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Doug wrote, snip I write letters--where I have a heading saved as a file that I can import--and I write occasionally for publication, in which case I write double-spaced, extra space for paragraph, and no

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 9:29 AM, Doug wrote: Last night I replied to a posting from Andrew K., and I thought I sent it to the list, but apparently9 I didn't. So here it is: On 05/04/2013 11:14 PM, Andrew K wrote: Hi, I use styles as much as I can, just to achieve consistent formatting, to say nothing of

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 1:11 PM, Tom Davies wrote: snip LaTex, Inkscape(?), Scribus and others are almost purely about Desktop Publishing. You kinda have to know what you are aiming for before you start. You probably can rough it a bit but it's going to be awkward. Just my thoughts from what people

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/5/13 12:53 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I don't think it's fair to blame TDF for the failures of Oracle or Sun and it's not fair to assume that just because your pet peeves haven't been sorted by Sun that they are not going to be sorted under TDF. I blame neither Oracle or Sun for anything.

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
:)  From: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 20:41 Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On 5/5/13 12:53 PM, Tom Davies wrote: I don't think it's fair to blame TDF for the failures of Oracle

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Virgil Arrington
- From: Doug Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 2:20 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On 05/05/2013 01:19 PM, Virgil Arrington wrote: Doug wrote, I may be wrong, but it would seem to me that all this fuss about styles is made

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
dmcgarr...@optonline.net; users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 21:21 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles Of course, everybody's work is different. From what you described you could use Notepad and get the job done. However, as an attorney, I write legal briefs

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Virgil Arrington
Sure, I'll give it a try. Virgil -Original Message- From: Tom Davies Sent: Sunday, May 05, 2013 4:48 PM To: Virgil Arrington ; Doug ; users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles Hi :) Virgil, is there any chance you you uploading your template

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
:)  From: Milos Sramek sramek.mi...@gmail.com To: Ken Springer snowsh...@q.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 9:35 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles Dear Ken, could you please post numbers of these bugs

RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread V Stuart Foote
: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles Hi :) A couple of months ago someone gave an excellent link to a place where you could 'vote' on what you want some free-lance devs to work on and assign a value of cash you would pay of they fixed it. Typical amounts would be around 1 beer in a pub

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-05 Thread Tom Davies
: Sunday, 5 May 2013, 22:45 Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles Tom, Were you thinking of this? http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Microfund-your-favourite-Issue-tc4035685.html#none Stuart From: Tom Davies [tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk] Sent

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-04 Thread Tom Davies
@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Saturday, 4 May 2013, 0:49 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles I tend to agree with Wolfgang on this one. I think the difference for Felmon is that you are the master of documents. Sounds like its your job to clean up everyone's mess and you seem to get the final

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-04 Thread Ken Springer
On 4/29/13 12:43 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) In MS Office styles are an excessive waste of time. You just have to accept that documents will have changing fonts, bullet-point sizes, misnumbering in lists and even changes in language used by spell checkers. Are you saying the styles area a

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-04 Thread Ken Springer
On 5/4/13 10:59 AM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) At my work place they have just run a 3 month training course in MS Office 2010. We are 2 months in and people still don't know how to select a printer or turn the machine on or off. The tutor has to do all that. I was also expecting a few to

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-03 Thread Wolfgang Keller
I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try to share documents between two users using both the same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word (or LO /OO). With these applications, the re-use of content is

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-03 Thread Felmon Davis
On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try to share documents between two users using both the same program *and* the same document template, if the program is Word (or LO /OO). With

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-03 Thread Tom Davies
Hi :) A big +1 to that.  Regards from Tom :)  From: Felmon Davis dav...@union.edu To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Friday, 3 May 2013, 17:41 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-03 Thread Virgil Arrington
: Felmon Davis Sent: Friday, May 03, 2013 12:41 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles On Fri, 3 May 2013, Wolfgang Keller wrote: I never even try to share documents between different programs, such as Word and LO or OO. I never even try

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-02 Thread Alexander Thurgood
Le 30/04/13 21:40, Virgil Arrington a écrit : Hi Virgil, 4. Document collaboration is a real bugaboo. We lawyers share documents repeatedly. I would create a document using styles, and send it off to a colleague for further edits. I would get it back with a mess of styles and direct

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph styles

2013-05-02 Thread Virgil Arrington
Alex wrote, 4. Document collaboration is a real bugaboo. We lawyers share documents repeatedly. I would create a document using styles, and send it off to a colleague for further edits. I would get it back with a mess of styles and direct formatting. I see no answer to this conundrum, simply

[libreoffice-users] Re: Paragraph Styles Not Updating

2011-11-03 Thread Erik Jan
Cor Nouws had de volgende lumineuze gedachte op 03-11-11 09:09: Hi Don, Don Parris wrote (01-11-11 02:19) I am having to update a couple documents (contact directories) I created under OOo some years ago. I had to save the documents in MS Word format (*.doc), but used paragraph styles to