[libreoffice-users] Re: what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[AdmFubar]

krackedpress wrote
> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would 
> install?  With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest 
> versions. As I type this, the old system is now in the "software 
> updating" cycle.  So, it is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 
> 16.04's repository.

You should look at Zoran Linux. https://zorinos.com There is a lite version.
Will have the feel of a windows system. Runs well on older hardware.
The only issue with the specs on your system is the low amount of ram. An
issue that sounds like you have resolved



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Re: [libreoffice-users] writer vs calc behaviour in LO 6.0.1.1

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Hi,

Le 24/02/2018 à 20:03, Dave Stevens a écrit :

I'm using the version in the subject line on Linux Mint. In calc if I
insert the date using the insert menu and the date option I get a cell
with today's date, formatted comprehensibly. If I do the same thing in
Writer I can't, the option isn't there. I must (as far as I know)
choose field then date. That gives me text that looks like "Date
(fixed)" which is not what I want. I can do a print preview and see
that it will render as one might wish but that's not what I want. I
really want to be able to simply insert today's date as a character
string.

I think the behaviour I'm seeing breaks wysiwyg.

Can anyone tell me a simple way to insert the data as characters rather
than a field?


not exactly what you're looking for, but here we go: as the shortcut to 
get a date in a Calc cell is Ctrl + ; you might duplicate that behaviour 
in Writer.


Here's how: create a new shortcut that does that, too.

In Writer:
1. Go to Tools > Customize
2. Select the Keyboard tab
3. Check that Writer is the option selected (top right radiobutton)
4. In the Shortcut keys panel, select the Ctrl + ; shortcut
5. Select :
category: Insert
function: Date
6. Click Modify
The selected shortcut appears in the Keys panel
7. OK

From now on, hitting Ctrl + ; in Writer inserts a date field (yes, sorry).

Now, if you want to actually insert a string, you'll need a macro :

1. Add the following macro to MyMacros & Dialogs.Standard.Module1 (for 
instance)


8< 
Sub InsertTodaysDate()

Dim oVCur As Object 'visible cursor
Dim oWCur As Object 'writing cursor
Dim l_Str As String

'get the date   
l_Str = CStr(Date)
'get the view cursor
oVCur = ThisComponent.CurrentController.ViewCursor
'set a writing cursor at the visible cursor place
oWCur = oVCur.Text.CreateTextCursorByRange(oVCur)
'write...
oWCur.String = l_Str

End Sub 'InsertTodaysDate
--- >8

2. Set the shortcut (as shown above) to the said macro, with
category: select LibreOffice Macros > MyMacros > (your macro library) > 
(your macro module)

function: your macro name


Now Ctrl + ; inserts todays date at the cursor position.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
LibreOffice is not like most programs.  It has a large core program with a
few tiny modules / satellites / add-ons / plug-ins / apps that kinda
plug-in to that core.  Removing one or a handful of those modules does very
little to affect the size or complexity of LibreOffice.  At least that is
how i understand it to be.



There is always Abiword or Google-docs.

Abiword focuses on beinga word-processor without having to integrate with
other programs.  It should be smaller, lighter and faster but i've not used
it in the last decade or so.

The only functionality missing from Abiword was that i couldn't make it
default to using MS formats.  Quite ironic since i now rarely use MS
formats - because they are incompatible between different versions of MS
Office = with new versions of MS Office struggling to open older files that
use their format.



As for using Linux i used to be a fairly normal "point and click" user
until after i had used "gnu and linux" for about a year.  In that first
year i spent most of my time still using Windows with only occasional
forays into Linux.  Then i started using Firefox, OpenOffice and other
things on Windows too - and then i found a game on Linux that wouldn't work
on Windows.  That was when my migration to Linux got faster and faster.  So
it took me a couple of years of really not pushing myself before i found
i'd kinda accidentally stumbled into using Linux without working at it
much.

I'm not sure what migration route i'd recommend for a blind user.  Perhaps
using a simple virtual machine such as Virtualbox = it's not as scary as it
sound!  It's just a program you can install in Windows and when you
double-click on it the program runs in a window which you can just close to
stop the virtual-machine.

Another route is to install Ubuntu inside Windows as though it was just
another program.  Unlike other distros (Mint, Red-hat, Open-Suse etc) the
Ubuntu people make a "Wubi installer" on their installer Dvd and the Wubi
can be installed on Windows.  So maybe just stick an Ubuntu Dvd or
Usb-stick in and see what options it gives you.

Actually "Puppy Linux" does something similar but although it's good on
low-spec or older systems it's much less typical of linux distros and it's
not so easy to migrate to other distros

That is just my own opinion but it's too the best of my limited knowledge
about these things.

Regards from
a Tom :)


On 24 February 2018 at 18:37, Robert Großkopf 
wrote:

> Hi Tim,
> >
> > Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
> > DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and
> > package managers like Synaptic.
>
> I have never installed LibreOffice on a Windows-system. You could choose
> the packages under OpenSUSE, so why shouldn't you be able to install the
> packages you wish under *.deb-based Linux-systems? Our main-problem with
> Base and Ubuntu is: Ubuntu doesn't install Base and doesn't install the
> report-builder for default. So it seems to be able to install separate
> parts of LO.
>
> I could only say for the packages of LO directly, not for the packages
> of Ubuntu: You could choose, for example, only Writer - Calc, Impress,
> Base and so on aren't installed then.
>
> Regards
>
> Robert
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Re: [libreoffice-users] writer vs calc behaviour in LO 6.0.1.1

[Brian Barker]

At 11:03 24/02/2018 -0800, Dave Stevens wrote:
I'm using the version in the subject line on Linux Mint. In calc if 
I insert the date using the insert menu and the date option I get a 
cell with today's date, formatted comprehensibly.


I'm not sure what you mean here. If you are using the =TODAY() or 
=NOW() functions, what you have is not today's date but the current 
date whenever your spreadsheet is reopened.


If I do the same thing in Writer I can't, the option isn't there. I 
must (as far as I know) choose field then date. That gives me text 
that looks like "Date (fixed)" which is not what I want. I can do a 
print preview and see
that it will render as one might wish but that's not what I want. I 
really want to be able to simply insert today's date as a character string.


I think your only problem here is that you have fields set to show 
the field name instead of their value. You can toggle this display at 
View | Field Names (or Ctrl+F9). Then you will see the date value as 
text in the editing display as well as in Page Preview and actual printout.


Can anyone tell me a simple way to insert the data as characters 
rather than a field?


o Copy the field.
o Paste it back over itself, but using Edit | Paste Special... (or 
right-click | Paste Special... or Ctrl+Shift+V) and selecting 
"Unformatted text" in the Paste Special dialogue.


Er, or just type the date: the default format is only eight 
characters (in my locale).



I think the behaviour I'm seeing breaks wysiwyg.


I hope so. Wysiwyg was always a bad idea: what you need in the 
editing display is a clear indication of the structure of your 
document, not necessarily its appearance. That way, you can see and 
have some control over what will happen when it is displayed on 
another system or you (or others) make any change.


I trust this helps.

Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] writer vs calc behaviour in LO 6.0.1.1

[Dave Stevens]

I'm using the version in the subject line on Linux Mint. In calc if I
insert the date using the insert menu and the date option I get a cell
with today's date, formatted comprehensibly. If I do the same thing in
Writer I can't, the option isn't there. I must (as far as I know)
choose field then date. That gives me text that looks like "Date
(fixed)" which is not what I want. I can do a print preview and see
that it will render as one might wish but that's not what I want. I
really want to be able to simply insert today's date as a character
string. 

I think the behaviour I'm seeing breaks wysiwyg.

Can anyone tell me a simple way to insert the data as characters rather
than a field?

TIA

Dave

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Tim,
> 
> Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
> DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and
> package managers like Synaptic.

I have never installed LibreOffice on a Windows-system. You could choose
the packages under OpenSUSE, so why shouldn't you be able to install the
packages you wish under *.deb-based Linux-systems? Our main-problem with
Base and Ubuntu is: Ubuntu doesn't install Base and doesn't install the
report-builder for default. So it seems to be able to install separate
parts of LO.

I could only say for the packages of LO directly, not for the packages
of Ubuntu: You could choose, for example, only Writer - Calc, Impress,
Base and so on aren't installed then.

Regards

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[libreoffice-users] LO-6.0.1 crashes assigning macro

[Rich Shepard]

  I'm running version 6.0.1 on Slackware-14.2.

  I created a macro to delete the next character (using the Del key) and
saved it to My Macros -> Standard (as del_right). When I try to assign it to
Ctrl+D in Tools -> Options -> Keyboard -> Macros -> My macros LO crashes as
soon as I click the trackball on the last option.

  What can I do about this?

Rich

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-24 17:03 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :

> On 02/24/2018 05:19 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:
>
>> On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:
>>
>> since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.
>>>
>> Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
>> humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
>> happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
>> XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
>> not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
>> different.
>>
>> Here is a reply for a few posts.
>
> Italo
>
> I use to program main frame computers and my first PC was a PC-XT generic
> system with dual floppies.  In the past 20+ years, I did do some small
> stuff with various languages, but went with C/C++ maybe 10 years ago, but I
> am not really a PC programmer.
>
> I learned about Linux, RedHat and others, in a class for a Network
> Technology degree.  During the Vista era, I needed to do some audio/video
> work and the Windows packages were more than 4 times my rent. I then bought
> a "low cost" desktop for a Linux box.  I loved all of the free stuff.  Then
> with the knowledge that half my processing power went to anti virus and
> other security packages, I started to use Ubuntu 9.10 on a newly bought
> desktop.  That one now has 6.25TB of storage space. Two of my laptops have
> Ubuntu MATE and Windows 10 installed, and the newest runs only Ubuntu MATE.
>
> Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not
> DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and
> package managers like Synaptic.
> Henri I did not look to see Base, since I did not use it. Yes, the Math,
> Draw, and Base, seems not to be installed by default. Since the repository
> usually have an older versions of LO. It looked like Ubuntu MATE had LO
> 5.1.x as their included version. After I updated the old computer, I
> installed 5.4.6. I have 6.0.1 on the laptop I am typing this. - - - - -
> Thanks to all your comments. This thread was started when I was given a
> really old HP Pavilion alll8x desktop. It was a 64 bit CPU running Windows
> XP [32 bit] and only 512MB RAM and 160 GB drive. I found two 512MB memory
> modules/sticks and with them I have about 800MB of RAM after the "shared
> video memory". I may install a second IDE/PATA drive with a 80GB on. I
> really did not want to spend money on this old base model desktop. Since I
> really did not want to install XP on it, then use a Win7 upgrade disk to
> get a more modern Windows OS. Since MATE desktop environment was stated to
> be a good option for the old Win XP users, I installed Ubuntu Mate on it.
> Also, even if I installed Win7, half of the processor power would be used
> for the needed security packages. I have been adding various packages to
> the system; LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Chrome [for those who want
> it], GIMP, VLC, Education software packages, Sound Converter, XPad, font
> manager, and other packages that might be useful. I did remove a lot of
> fonts like the massive collection of Thai fonts. Over half of the fonts
> installed seemed to be Thai fonts. Also, from a different post, I added K3b
> CD/DVD burner - that I use all the time. That required some KDE runtime
> package. There was a comment about using Kubuntu on the old desktop. I
> wanted the system be setup so all the user would need to do is install the
> printer they may have. Or use Ubuntu Software Center, and the newer
> software center installed with Ubuntu MATE 16.04, to add some other
> packages they might want. To be honest, the system is set up to not need a
> password to load, but has a root password that is the model version till
> the user changes it.
>

​Thanks, Tim, for your reply ! As I said, I am surprised to hear that the
default installation from the Ubuntu repository didn't include LO Math and
Base (and even more surprised to hear that even Draw was omitted), as when
I install Linux Mint on a new computer, all those LO packages are
automatically included. It would seem then that the LO that is downloaded
from the LM respository is not identical with that which is downloaded
fromteh Ubuntu repository, which I find odd

I appreciate your comment on what running, e g, Win7 would require on your
old computer ; this is one of the reasons, aside from greater general
reliability and fewer hassles that I advise seniors with older computers
they wish to continue to use to install Mint. But I think you were smart to
install those two 512Mb RAM sticks ; that should have made a significant
difference in how you experience the new/old box

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tim-L]

On 02/24/2018 05:19 AM, Italo Vignoli wrote:

On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:


since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
different.


Here is a reply for a few posts.

Italo

I use to program main frame computers and my first PC was a PC-XT 
generic system with dual floppies.  In the past 20+ years, I did do some 
small stuff with various languages, but went with C/C++ maybe 10 years 
ago, but I am not really a PC programmer.


I learned about Linux, RedHat and others, in a class for a Network 
Technology degree.  During the Vista era, I needed to do some 
audio/video work and the Windows packages were more than 4 times my 
rent. I then bought a "low cost" desktop for a Linux box.  I loved all 
of the free stuff.  Then with the knowledge that half my processing 
power went to anti virus and other security packages, I started to use 
Ubuntu 9.10 on a newly bought desktop.  That one now has 6.25TB of 
storage space. Two of my laptops have Ubuntu MATE and Windows 10 
installed, and the newest runs only Ubuntu MATE.


Robert The custom install as you stated seems to come up in Windows, not 
DEB based Linux install, unless you install through the repository, and 
package managers like Synaptic.
Henri I did not look to see Base, since I did not use it. Yes, the Math, 
Draw, and Base, seems not to be installed by default. Since the 
repository usually have an older versions of LO. It looked like Ubuntu 
MATE had LO 5.1.x as their included version. After I updated the old 
computer, I installed 5.4.6. I have 6.0.1 on the laptop I am typing 
this. - - - - - Thanks to all your comments. This thread was started 
when I was given a really old HP Pavilion alll8x desktop. It was a 64 
bit CPU running Windows XP [32 bit] and only 512MB RAM and 160 GB drive. 
I found two 512MB memory modules/sticks and with them I have about 800MB 
of RAM after the "shared video memory". I may install a second IDE/PATA 
drive with a 80GB on. I really did not want to spend money on this old 
base model desktop. Since I really did not want to install XP on it, 
then use a Win7 upgrade disk to get a more modern Windows OS. Since MATE 
desktop environment was stated to be a good option for the old Win XP 
users, I installed Ubuntu Mate on it. Also, even if I installed Win7, 
half of the processor power would be used for the needed security 
packages. I have been adding various packages to the system; 
LibreOffice, Firefox, Thunderbird, Chrome [for those who want it], GIMP, 
VLC, Education software packages, Sound Converter, XPad, font manager, 
and other packages that might be useful. I did remove a lot of fonts 
like the massive collection of Thai fonts. Over half of the fonts 
installed seemed to be Thai fonts. Also, from a different post, I added 
K3b CD/DVD burner - that I use all the time. That required some KDE 
runtime package. There was a comment about using Kubuntu on the old 
desktop. I wanted the system be setup so all the user would need to do 
is install the printer they may have. Or use Ubuntu Software Center, and 
the newer software center installed with Ubuntu MATE 16.04, to add some 
other packages they might want. To be honest, the system is set up to 
not need a password to load, but has a root password that is the model 
version till the user changes it.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Sorry, i don't know what PYOO is so i have redirected this question back to
the LO mailing list - even though it is really a question for Calligra
forums/mailing-lists.

I've only used their spreadsheets for very straight-forwards sums, to add
columns of figures.

Is PYOO something that can be tested by some fairly trivial example?
Apols and regards from
a Tom :)





On 24 February 2018 at 04:17, fudmier  wrote:

> very interesting .. will PYOO work on its spread sheets as well.   ?
>
>
>
>
> On 2018-02-23 02:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>
>> Hi :)
>> Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
>> faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
>> flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
>> wrote:
>>
>> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
>>> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
>>> it down so much that it became unusable.
>>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
>>>
 Hi :)
 Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

 Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
 Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
 Xubuntu.
 There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
 get the
 most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
 usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
 discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
 so light
 and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
 KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

 Regards from
 a Tom :)




 On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
 wrote:

 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
>> give
>>
> away.
>
>> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
>> drive.  It was an
>> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
>> it needs
>> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
>> better to
>> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>>
>> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
>> stated
>> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
>> "module
>> missing".
>>
>> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
>> install?
>> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
>> versions. As I
>> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
>> cycle.  So,
>>
> it
>
>> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
>> repository.
>>
>> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
>> a free
>> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
>> 15 inch
>> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
>> to buy
>>
> any
>
>> hardware for it.
>>
>> So, what is the newest version I can install without and
>> problems?.
>>
>> Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
> 16.04 on
> this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
> LO - why
> not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
> itself via
> the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
> this would
> be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> don't wish
> to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
> DDR-2
> sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> next to
> nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> experience
> the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> listed as 256
> MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-24 12:23 GMT+01:00 Robert Großkopf :

> Hi Henri,
> >
> > Surprised to hear that the Ubuntu respositories don't provide a complete
> LO
> > package - I install via the PPA on my Linux Mint machine, which is an
> > Ubuntu fork, and get everything, including Math and Base. What gives ?...
>
> Every Linux-distribution does allow to install only parts of LO. There
> are different packages for Writer, Clac, Base ... If you choose only the
> Writer-packages only the packages of LO will be installed, which are
> necessary for Writer. By default in most systems the whole LO-packages
> will be installed.
>
> But: It doesn't make any difference for an old system. Writer will run
> the same speed - if Base, Calc, Draw and whatever will be installed or
> not. So if you haven't enough free disk space it will be a good idea to
> choose only the parts of LO you need.
>
> Regards
>
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​Thanks, Robert, for your reply ! I'm aware that one can choose not to
install certain LO packages. What surprised me in Tim's post was rather
that - as I interpreted him - the packages for Math and Base were not
automatically downloaded and installed, without any intervention on his
part. But perhaps I misunderstood

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Robert Großkopf]

Hi Henri,
> 
> Surprised to hear that the Ubuntu respositories don't provide a complete LO
> package - I install via the PPA on my Linux Mint machine, which is an
> Ubuntu fork, and get everything, including Math and Base. What gives ?...

Every Linux-distribution does allow to install only parts of LO. There
are different packages for Writer, Clac, Base ... If you choose only the
Writer-packages only the packages of LO will be installed, which are
necessary for Writer. By default in most systems the whole LO-packages
will be installed.

But: It doesn't make any difference for an old system. Writer will run
the same speed - if Base, Calc, Draw and whatever will be installed or
not. So if you haven't enough free disk space it will be a good idea to
choose only the parts of LO you need.

Regards

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-24 11:19 GMT+01:00 Italo Vignoli :

> On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:
>
> > since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.
>
> Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
> humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
> happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
> XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
> not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
> different.
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​Indeed. While there are Linux distributions which definitely are not for
beginners, anyone who has used a Windows OS will find a distribution like
Linux Mint 18.3 intuitive and user-friendly, and in my experience, far more
reliable than, e g, Windows 10

Henri​

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[Italo Vignoli]

On 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a wrote:

> since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

Everyone can use Linux, not only developers. I have a degree in
humanities and have never written a single line of code, but I am a very
happy Linux user and will never switch back to macOS or Windows. Windows
XP has been deprecated by Microsoft in 2014, so the operating system is
not maintained and is not secure. You should definitely try something
different.

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[M Henri Day]

2018-02-23 22:27 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :

>
> Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB
> after the shared video memory.
>
> Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with LO?
> Found that out about an hour ago.
>

​Good on ya, Tim​ ; how does LO now work on that machine (and which version
have you installed) ?

Surprised to hear that the Ubuntu respositories don't provide a complete LO
package - I install via the PPA on my Linux Mint machine, which is an
Ubuntu fork, and get everything, including Math and Base. What gives ?...

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[leleu]

Since you use Ubuntu the unwanted parts can be uninstalled, or, better, 
unselected when preparing LO installation


Je la 24/02/2018 09:35, zahra a skribis :

i wished that LO has one version for home users to not install
engineering programs like math, draw, base.
i only need writer and have to have one office suite which most
features are for engineers, businesses, companies etc.
since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

On 2/24/18, Tim-L  wrote:

Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB
after the shared video memory.

Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with
LO?  Found that out about an hour ago.


On 02/23/2018 03:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
Regards from
a Tom :)



On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
wrote:


It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
it down so much that it became unusable.
On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
Xubuntu.
There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
get the
most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
so light
and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

Regards from
a Tom :)




On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
wrote:


2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :


I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
give

away.

It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
drive.  It was an
original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
it needs
ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
better to
just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.

I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
stated
32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
"module
missing".

So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
install?
With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
versions. As I
type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
cycle.  So,

it

is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
repository.

To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
a free
giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
15 inch
monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
to buy

any

hardware for it.

So, what is the newest version I can install without and
problems?.


Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
16.04 on
this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
LO - why
not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
itself via
the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
this would
be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
don't wish
to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
DDR-2
sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
next to
nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
experience
the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
listed as 256
MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)

Henri

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[toki]

On 02/24/2018 08:35 AM, zahra a wrote:

>to not install engineering programs like math, draw, base.

Sounds like you want OOoLight, which is no longer maintained.

jonathon

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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[toki]

On 02/23/2018 09:27 PM, Tim-L wrote:

> Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with LO? 

The last time I installed LibO from the Ubuntu repository, it also left
out Base, the Help files, and something else (printing, perhaps.)

jonathon


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Re: [libreoffice-users] what version of LO would work on a really old system?

[zahra a]

i wished that LO has one version for home users to not install
engineering programs like math, draw, base.
i only need writer and have to have one office suite which most
features are for engineers, businesses, companies etc.
since i am not programmer and cant use linux, i should use xp.

On 2/24/18, Tim-L  wrote:
>
> Hey Guys.  I found two 512MB memory sticks.  It now gives me about 800MB
> after the shared video memory.
>
> Did you know that the Ubuntu repositories do not install LO Math with
> LO?  Found that out about an hour ago.
>
>
> On 02/23/2018 03:40 PM, Tom Davies wrote:
>> Hi :)
>> Yeh, the KDE people put a serious amount of work into it a lot lighter and
>> faster. Initially i only tried it out for a laugh but i was quite
>> flabergasted at how phenomenally slick it had become.
>> Regards from
>> a Tom :)
>>
>>
>>
>> On 23 February 2018 at 18:11, David Burleigh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> It's interesting to hear of Kubuntu working well on an old machine.
>>> When I last tried using it a few years ago, Nepumuk and Aconadi bogged
>>> it down so much that it became unusable.
>>> On Fri, 2018-02-23 at 16:42 +, Tom Davies wrote:
 Hi :)
 Would Gnome Office (ie Abiword and Gnumeric) be better?

 Also last time i tried distro-hopping on 'old' machines i found that
 Kubuntu was much faster and lighter-weight than even Lubuntu and
 Xubuntu.
 There was a ton of stuff to figure out and apps etc to add o really
 get the
 most out of it but the default set-up looks really swish and is very
 usable.  Perhaps best to let the new owner enjoy their own voyage of
 discovery.  Kubuntu uses a different office suite and i found that
 so light
 and fast that i didn't bother to try out LibreOffice on it.
 KOffice/Calligra uses the same file-formats as LibreOffice.

 Regards from
 a Tom :)




 On 23 February 2018 at 14:43, M Henri Day 
 wrote:

> 2018-02-23 3:02 GMT+01:00 Tim-L :
>
>> I am getting an old HP desktop, that originally WinXP, ready to
>> give
> away.
>> It has 64-bit AMD 3300+ CPU, 512MB ram, and only 160GB
>> drive.  It was an
>> original Windows XP 32-bit OS system on a 64-bit hardware. Since
>> it needs
>> ALL of the old user's info removed, and XP OS "damaged", It was
>> better to
>> just make it a Linux system - for security reasons.
>>
>> I just installed Ubuntu MATE 16.04 64-bit on it.  Their specs
>> stated
>> 32-bit would be best but the system keeps failing due a SIS630
>> "module
>> missing".
>>
>> So with these specs, what is the newest version of LO you would
>> install?
>> With this low RAM, it may not be able to handle the newest
>> versions. As I
>> type this, the old system is now in the "software updating"
>> cycle.  So,
> it
>> is installing the newest LO that is in Ubuntu 16.04's
>> repository.
>>
>> To be honest, this system is a little old for my needs, but for
>> a free
>> giveaway system [HP desktop, keyboard, mouse, and a HP "square"
>> 15 inch
>> monitor], I do not have any parts to upgrade it and do not want
>> to buy
> any
>> hardware for it.
>>
>> So, what is the newest version I can install without and
>> problems?.
>>
> Tim, if you've managed to successfully install 64-bit Ubuntu MATE
> 16.04 on
> this system, you should be able to install and run any version of
> LO - why
> not take the latest, 6.0.1 (or 6.0.2 to which LO just updated
> itself via
> the PPA om my Linux box) ? The only thing I'd recommend beyond
> this would
> be installing a bit more RAM. Even if you've made clear that you
> don't wish
> to buy any hardware for it, you should be able to obtain some used
> DDR-2
> sticks, which the motherboard is almost certain to support, for
> next to
> nothing, which would make a great deal of difference in how you
> experience
> the computer (the system requirements for 64-bit LO 6.0.1 are
> listed as 256
> MB RAM, with 512 MB recommended)
>
> Henri
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