Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-14 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 22:15, Steven Shelton ste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote: This is the only comment that I will make on this, and I think it's pretty self-explanatory as to why MS formats need to be supported. I work as an attorney. One of the frequent requirements from judges is that we

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-14 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
On 09/14/2011 04:14 AM, Dotan Cohen wrote: On Mon, Sep 12, 2011 at 22:15, Steven Sheltonste...@sheltonlegal.net wrote: This is the only comment that I will make on this, and I think it's pretty self-explanatory as to why MS formats need to be supported. I work as an attorney. One of the

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-12 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sun, Sep 11, 2011 at 22:50, e-letter inp...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/09/2011, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Which MS Office file format is secret? They are all published here: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/officebinaryformats.mspx The original poster chose the wrong word;

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-12 Thread Steven Shelton
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 9/10/2011 3:28 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 09/10/2011 03:28 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread e-letter
See the following proposal: http://www.mail-archive.com/website@global.libreoffice.org/msg05999.html -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more:

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 22:28, Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is

RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Anthony Papillion
that creating a plugin that helps Microsoft Offices users read .odf files is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread soumalya ray
with the secret Microsoft formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: twoho...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:45:02 + Makes sense but u

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Andrew Douglas Pitonyak
On 09/10/2011 04:08 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just tell them 'don't worry about it, you're

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Dotan Cohen
On Sat, Sep 10, 2011 at 22:28, Anthony Papillion papill...@gmail.com wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Nuno J. Silva
On 2011-09-11, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/10/2011 04:08 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: I agree, but is not supporting saving in secret formats really isolating them from the rest of the world? Especially if the other software can read the open format, wouldn't it be preferable to just

RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread jorge
formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: twoho...@gmail.com Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 19:45:02 + Makes sense but u need to be able

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Spencer Graves
On 9/11/2011 9:54 AM, Nuno J. Silva wrote: On 2011-09-11, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote: On 09/10/2011 04:08 PM, Anthony Papillion wrote: snip Microsoft changes formats as a market strategy. As explained by Carl Shapiro and Hal Varian (1998) Information rules: a strategic guide to the

RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
is a lot easier than constantly playing catchup with the secret Microsoft formats. Anthony Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? To: users@global.libreoffice.org From: twoho...@gmail.com Date

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread e-letter
On 11/09/2011, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak and...@pitonyak.org wrote: When you have a deliverable in a MSO format, then you must deliver in an MSO format. This is often not negotiable. Surely this is accounted for in the costs of you conducting such business (i.e. buying a legal copy of each m$

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread e-letter
On 11/09/2011, Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com wrote: Which MS Office file format is secret? They are all published here: http://www.microsoft.com/interop/docs/officebinaryformats.mspx The original poster chose the wrong word; replace secret with proprietary -- For unsubscribe instructions

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread Edwin Powell
If LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org did not support M$ Office file formats, nobody would support them. Like it or not, the M$ Office file formats, both the older ones and the newer XML based ones, are the defacto industry standards. The greatest marketing point that OOo and its variants,

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-11 Thread planas
Edwin On Sun, 2011-09-11 at 20:28 -0400, Edwin Powell wrote: If LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org did not support M$ Office file formats, nobody would support them. Like it or not, the M$ Office file formats, both the older ones and the newer XML based ones, are the defacto industry

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Onyeibo Oku
Makes sense but u need to be able to reach others. I think the edge is in supporting a broader range of options not just the vendors. Those moving to opensource solutions need an air of security that they are not isolated from the rest of the world -

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker
On 10/09/2011 20:28, Anthony Papillion wrote: I've been thinking a lot about this lately as many of my clients are coming to LibreOffice from Microsoft Office and I deal with both packages quite a bit. Many times, one of the first things I do once LibreOffice is set up is to show clients how

RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Dennis E. Hamilton
Which formats to you consider to still be secret? Microsoft has provided free-to-the-public, downloadable specifications for a great number of formats and protocols. Have you checked the lists of those? [I am not objecting to the plug-in strategy either way, just wondering whether secrecy

RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Anthony Papillion
, but there is still more work to be done. Anthony From: dennis.hamil...@acm.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:14:57 -0700 Which formats

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread Spencer Graves
. Anthony From: dennis.hamil...@acm.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:14:57 -0700 Which formats to you consider to still be secret

Re: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats?

2011-09-10 Thread webmaster for Kracked Press Productions
From: dennis.hamil...@acm.org To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: RE: [libreoffice-users] Should LibreOffice even support Microsoft secret formats? Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2011 13:14:57 -0700 Which formats to you consider to still be secret? Microsoft has provided free