Re: Where do I report Chromium bugs?

2010-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/10 06:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since it's not a Chrome bug, I don't want to waste my time sending it to the Chrome bugs page, but Chromium doesn't appear to have its own page. What should I do? If it's from Spots repo, that would be first port of call. he has a livejournal blog

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2010-07-05 Thread Vinu Moses
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SPAM Re:

2010-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
Online Paharmacy -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines

How to easily create GUI app (for non-programmers)?

2010-07-05 Thread Valent Turkovic
Hi, I'm looking for ways of creating simple apps and I'm not a coder. I saw fer projects that could help me do this but would really like to hear you if you have done something with some of them or if you have better suggestion. xdialog [1] Pros: with it you can create simple UI from bash

Re: SPAM Re:

2010-07-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/05/2010 03:47 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: Online Paharmacy You mean you actually clicked on the link? The windows malware folks must love you. :-) :-) -- Nature always sides with the hidden flaw. 葛斯克 愛德華 / 台北市八德路四段 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users

Re: Linux Games for Kids

2010-07-05 Thread birger
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 05:53 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: On 07/02/2010 01:08 AM, birger wrote: Ok. Steering Wheel w/linux support? Do tell! Uhmm? Should that be a problem? Seriously, I am amazed at the amount of peripherals that just work with Fedora 13. I use a Logitech steering wheel

Re: Linux Games for Kids

2010-07-05 Thread Chris Kloiber
On 07/05/2010 05:12 AM, birger wrote: On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 05:53 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: On 07/02/2010 01:08 AM, birger wrote: Ok. Steering Wheel w/linux support? Do tell! Uhmm? Should that be a problem? Seriously, I am amazed at the amount of peripherals that just work with Fedora 13.

Re: Linux Games for Kids

2010-07-05 Thread birger
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 05:35 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote: Should it be a problem? No. Have I tried a joystick since Red Hat 7.x... No. Did it work then... Not for me. I can assure you that a *lot* has happened with device support since RedHat 7.x. Especially that all those deep-down changes that

Re: Linux Games for Kids

2010-07-05 Thread birger
One game (well, sort of) that I forgot. http://info.scratch.mit.edu/Linux_Installer scratch is a programming environment rather close to the one bundled with lego robotics (guess where the software for the lego stuff originated from). I have had great fun designing simple games like pong or

Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
Hi, I don't see any component in bugzilla for mailing lists, so I'm posting here. In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few bounces, and that's the problem. Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster is not subscribed, then the message

Notabug Mail Policy was:Re: Bug in mailing lists

2010-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/10 12:57, Felipe Contreras wrote: Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This is the truly open way. No thanks. -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of Fedora -- users

Re: How to easily create GUI app (for non-programmers)?

2010-07-05 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:27 AM, Valent Turkovic valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I'm looking for ways of creating simple apps and I'm not a coder. I saw fer projects that could help me do this but would really like to hear you if you have done something with some of them or if you have

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few bounces, and that's the problem. Something wrong with *your* mail, then, if there's any bouncing. If you don't actually meaning mail bounces, then you're using the

Re: A virus scanner on linux for windows partition

2010-07-05 Thread birger
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 09:22 -0700, JD wrote: So far, clamav has not found anything in the mounted windows partition. That could be good news or bad news :) :) Systems running windows from an infected disk are often unable to find the infection, as the infection often installs a root kit that

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Chris Tyler
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 09:23 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:57:48 -0400 Chris Tyler wrote: a process that takes a few seconds I understand the need to subscribe, but the process does not take a few seconds. For one thing, a lot of ISPs seem to be blocked or are blocking

Re: Where do I report Chromium bugs?

2010-07-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 07:58 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On 05/07/10 06:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since it's not a Chrome bug, I don't want to waste my time sending it to the Chrome bugs page, but Chromium doesn't appear to have its own page. What should I do? If it's from Spots

Re: bootloader lost

2010-07-05 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 09:09 +0530, anees a a wrote: I had fedora installed on system i installed windows7 after that now i lost bootloader of fedora i cant access fedora now there is no option of live cd in fedora installation disk but only rescue installed system option pls suggest

Re: Where do I report Chromium bugs?

2010-07-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:35 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan pocallag...@gmail.comwrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 07:58 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote: On 05/07/10 06:16, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Since it's not a Chrome bug, I don't want to waste my time sending it to the Chrome bugs page, but

Ext4 errror?

2010-07-05 Thread fedora
Hi listers i got file system errors on a new machine (hw errors should therefore not be an issue, also smartctl does not indicate any errors), which holds two disks on SATA controllers. Both disks contain a fully fleged Fedora 13, so that i can boot from either of them. i usually boot from

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Greg Woods
Clearly, these are religious issues. Whether a list should set replies to go to the list or to the original poster, whether postings from non-members should be accepted, etc. are debated ad nauseum. You can't come in here and state your opinions in these areas as though they were facts; they are

display problem through hdmi to tv

2010-07-05 Thread Gianluca Cecchi
Hello, I have a Dell laptop, XPS M1330. I had this problem with f12 originally but didn't go deeper with it. Now I have updated the same system to f13 and experiment the same. It has an hdmi-out connector and I'm trying to correctly configure it to send audio/video to hdmi only. The connection is

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that. Please, make Fedora mailing list friendly to outsiders. Check your sent folder. Your masterpiece should be there.

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Chris Tyler ch...@tylers.info wrote: Thanks for your note and for your argument in favor of making the lists open to the world. However, there are also strong arguments in favor of the current configuration, which permits posting only by subscribers: (1) Spam

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Kwan Lowe
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Chris Tyler ch...@tylers.info wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Hi, I don't see any component in bugzilla for mailing lists, so I'm posting here. In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few bounces, and

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom Horsley
Actually there is at least one correctable valid point floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on the web page for the list does it mention that you have to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users -- users mailing list

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 12:29 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: Actually there is at least one correctable valid point floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on the web page for the list does it mention that you have to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list:

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/10 17:29, Tom Horsley wrote: Actually there is at least one correctable valid point floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on the web page for the list does it mention that you have to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list:

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few bounces, and that's the problem. Something wrong with *your* mail, then, if there's any

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: Clearly, these are religious issues. Whether a list should set replies to go to the list or to the original poster, whether postings from non-members should be accepted, etc. are debated ad nauseum. You can't come in here and

Re: SATA HDD in an external case over USB - 2 partitions

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
JD wrote: On 06/24/2010 05:51 AM, Tim was caught red-handed while writing:: On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 13:11 +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote: [r...@dcomp5 ~]# fdisk /dev/sdb Unable to read /dev/sdb Should it be sdb? Try fdisk -l to list all the drives it finds. Are you sure

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that. Please, make Fedora mailing list friendly to

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see any component in bugzilla for mailing lists, so I'm posting here. In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few bounces, and that's the problem. Public mailing lists should

Re: [OT] rather advanced video editing question

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Petrus de Calguarium wrote: Suvayu Ali wrote: On 06/24/2010 10:48 PM, JD wrote: If you do figure out how to use kdenlive to splice 2 streams togeter, please let me know. I found kdenlive to be excellent. I selected a VGA NTSC project, as it has the same 4:3 ratio that my original flv

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle with Reply-To; they should leave the To and Cc fields intact, so that the MUA can

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Greg Woods
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from one-post people That is an opinion, not a fact. I happen to believe that the nature of the post makes a difference as to whether it is beneficial to the community. As

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Frank Murphy
On 05/07/10 18:42, Felipe Contreras wrote: Is it so much to ask for you to hit reply to all instead of reply (depending on the case), so that other people can have the benefits of non-munged headers? On the sign up page for the list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Alan Cox
Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of off-list spam then they won't read the list. Alan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription

Re: Fedora 13 live-cd doesn't boot on HP 6930p

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Brett wrote: I've noticed that if I burn a Fedora (or any other distro) CD at full speed, about 25% of the time I end up with a disk that won't boot. I had a lot of trouble burning Fedora 13 DVD from a computer running Ubuntu, I tried a bunch of times using Brasero, K3B and other software,

Re: HD Home move editor

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 21:24:56 -0500 Richard Shaw wrote: Are that any full video editors that handle HD movies correctly? If you have an infinite amount of disk space and patience you can convert pretty much anything to a lossless hufyuv avi file with mencoder, then use

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread DJ Delorie
On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the list would be useless. Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On the sign up page for the list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users near the bottom: users  list run by... That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to the same for all the

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote: On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from one-post people That is an opinion, not a fact. So you are saying that it's not proven that people

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle

Re: HD Home move editor

2010-07-05 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:07:27 -0400 Bill Davidsen wrote: What is hufyuv? Is that another name for yuv422p? Or another format completely? Well, I have no idea what yuv422p is, so I couldn't say :-). Hufyuv is what I call the result of running mencoder with: mencoder -ovc lavc -lavcopts

Re: HD Home move editor

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 14:07:27 -0400 Bill Davidsen wrote: What is hufyuv? Is that another name for yuv422p? Or another format completely? Well, I have no idea what yuv422p is, so I couldn't say :-). Hufyuv is what I call the result of running mencoder with:

Re: Compiling a kernel problems

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Alex wrote: Hi, I'm trying to compile a kernel with aacraid support for a dual Opteron 246 box with two 36GB disks on a Tyan S2891, using an initrd and lilo. There is an older kernel on there that works just fine, so I suspect it's something I'm missing in the kernel config. No matter

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:12 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the list would be useless.

Re: Flash videos not playing in Fedora 11 firefox browser

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
Patrick Bartek wrote: --- On Wed, 6/30/10, ranjan sundar nja...@gmail.com wrote: I tried to download flashplayer for linux from adobe website and downloaded this zip file. i extracted it and found that it contained only 1 file with .so extension (shared object). [snip] My guess--and

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Is it so much to ask for you to hit reply to all instead of reply (depending on the case), so that other people can have the benefits of

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of off-list spam then they won't read the list. True, that's why care

Re: SATA HDD in an external case over USB - 2 partitions

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 10:18 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: JD wrote: On 06/24/2010 05:51 AM, Tim was caught red-handed while writing:: On Thu, 2010-06-24 at 13:11 +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote: [r...@dcomp5 ~]# fdisk /dev/sdb Unable to read /dev/sdb Should it be sdb? Try fdisk -l to list all the

Re: Compiling a kernel problems

2010-07-05 Thread alan
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010, Bill Davidsen wrote: Alex wrote: Hi, I'm trying to compile a kernel with aacraid support for a dual Opteron 246 box with two 36GB disks on a Tyan S2891, using an initrd and lilo. There is an older kernel on there that works just fine, so I suspect it's something I'm

Re: repeatable kernel freeze

2010-07-05 Thread Ahmed Abdalla
I've had exactly the same problem on my F13 machine. I never had that problem before, but since I upgraded to F13 my machine just freezes when I scp any big file. I've setuped a rescue kernel and configured kdump but the machine just freezes and no rescue is there. My machine is fully updated too.

Re: Fedora 13 live-cd doesn't boot on HP 6930p

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 11:04 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Brett wrote: I've noticed that if I burn a Fedora (or any other distro) CD at full speed, about 25% of the time I end up with a disk that won't boot. I had a lot of trouble burning Fedora 13 DVD from a computer running Ubuntu, I tried a bunch of

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote: Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of off-list spam then

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:12 PM, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote:  On 07/05/2010 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk  wrote: Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow it Correct - and if that process

Testing Sendmail again

2010-07-05 Thread Andy Blanchard
Here we go again... -- Andy The only person to have all his work done by Friday was Robinson Crusoe -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: Ext4 errror?

2010-07-05 Thread Bill Davidsen
fedora wrote: Hi listers i got file system errors on a new machine (hw errors should therefore not be an issue, also smartctl does not indicate any errors), which holds two disks on SATA controllers. Both disks contain a fully fleged Fedora 13, so that i can boot from either of them.

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Is it so much to ask for you to hit reply to all instead of

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Felipe Contreras wrote: On the sign up page for the list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users near the bottom: users  list run by... That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to the same for all the mailing lists and gather all the recipients =/ No

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: No. I am saying that if you are not willing to subscribe, you are not, AFAIC, part of the community. So if somebody is participating in IRC, filing and solving bugs, maintaining packages, testing packages... but doesn't subscribe

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: No. I am saying that if you are not willing to subscribe, you are not, AFAIC, part of the community. So if somebody is participating in IRC,

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is not in the system. The sender has to realise that he/she has sent a private email! LOL Yeah, so? It's a user mistake, it's up to

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Felipe Contreras
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote: Felipe Contreras wrote: On the sign up page for the list: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users near the bottom: users  list run by... That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Genes MailLists
What about allowing subscribers of f...@lists.f.o to be allowed to post to b...@lists.f.o. The benefit of registration is the same - and it would allow an occasional cross post without subscribing ? gene/ -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/06/2010 01:22 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote: I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped

Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora 12. It seems to freeze at random or panic. I suspect hardware or a driver. I've been pulling

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: The problem is not in the system. The sender has to realise

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 15:29:44 -0400, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: It is much less problematic for reply to reply to the list, especially if changing that behavior is solely meant to help those who don't want to subscribe to it... Typically accidentally sending a message intended for

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Andre Robatino
Todd Zullinger tmz at pobox.com writes: Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members. This setting was made before any of the current list admins were present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejection is the more courteous setting, and we have changed this now. Won't

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 01:27 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora 12. It seems to freeze at random or

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 14:57:33 +0300, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This is the truly open way. There are costs in doing that.

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 20:44:59 +, Andre Robatino an...@bwh.harvard.edu wrote: Todd Zullinger tmz at pobox.com writes: Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members. This setting was made before any of the current list admins were present AFAIK. I believe that

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora 12. [snip] Andrew, you have not

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Felipe Contreras wrote: Right, but I wonder if I send a mail to all the *-owner lists. Maybe the Reply-To would be munged and the threads will diverge. The *-owner addresses are simply aliases. They are not mailing lists themselves. I think it's much safer just to grep for all the admins and

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Genes MailLists
On 07/05/2010 05:39 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote: o times the ml) This comes from some folks sending mail to the old fedora-l...@redhat.com address. I've not looked closely to see whether we can fix that up. It would likely take a little work at the system level on the mailman server and

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Genes MailLists wrote: Maybe its time to shut the old list off - will avoid some dup posts too! The old list is shut off. There is simply an alias @redhat.com to us...@lists.fedoraproject.org. -- ToddOpenPGP - KeyID: 0xBEAF0CE3 | URL: www.pobox.com/~tmz/pgp

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and now Fedora

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Taylor
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:24:08 -0400 Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote: snip This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add the Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing list; it will happen automatically. I couldn't disagree more. Posting to the list: If someone wants

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard drive in the box and tried Fedora 13 and

problem with dual monitors

2010-07-05 Thread Gerhard Magnus
I've just installed FC13 on a box with a nVidia GeForce7300GS graphics card into which I've plugged two monitors. The driver is the one selected by the installation program. I'm using the gnome desktop Here's the problem (which I didn't have with FC11): When I turn on the system only one monitor

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/06/2010 06:05 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote: Genes MailLists wrote: Maybe its time to shut the old list off - will avoid some dup posts too! The old list is shut off. There is simply an alias @redhat.com to us...@lists.fedoraproject.org. I think the suggestion was more to

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Geoffrey Leach
On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Jul2010 20:02, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: | On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote: | On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote: | In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few | bounces, and

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 05Jul2010 18:25, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote: [...snip...] | (2) Most posts provoke discussion. If the original poster is not | subscribed to the list, they will probably get dropped from the | discussion at some point, and not realize the full benefit of the |

TVTime and nouveau ?!?

2010-07-05 Thread William Case
Hi; Just installed F13 with the nouveau driver with the mesa-dri-drivers-experimental. TVTime used to work under F12 and the nvidia driver. Now I have an ugly picture full of interference. The only thing I think has changed is the video driver. Is anyone else having the same, or similar

Re: Question on /etc/hosts

2010-07-05 Thread Joel Rees
On Jul 4, 2010, at 11:34 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Should the entry from the machine in question be given under 127.0.0.1 or under its IP address on the local LAN? Uhm, Yes? I've done both in the past, and both at the same time. Fedora currently seems to work okay with only one of those

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Kam Leo
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread Rick Sewill
On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
Rick Sewill rsew...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leach ge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27:01 PM,

no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread Dave Stevens
The subject line pretty much says it. It's quite frustrating to be unable to get this working. I am, open to suggestions. The same system with the thingy plugged into the same little hole(in the back of a Sound Blaster Ensoniq) makes no sound in the Fedoras but good sound in Omega. Is there

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 03:07 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: JDjd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 01:27 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: I am trying to install Fedora on a PC I built. I had Windows XP running on it for more than a year without any apparent problems. I put a new hard

Re: Notabug Mail Policy was:Re: Bug in mailing lists

2010-07-05 Thread Thomas Taylor
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 13:05:54 +0100 Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: On 05/07/10 12:57, Felipe Contreras wrote: Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This is the truly open way.

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Rick Sewillrsew...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leachge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leachge...@hughes.net

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread JD
On 07/05/2010 06:45 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: The subject line pretty much says it. It's quite frustrating to be unable to get this working. I am, open to suggestions. The same system with the thingy plugged into the same little hole(in the back of a Sound Blaster Ensoniq) makes no sound in

Re: no sound on F11, F12 and now F13 but sound on Omega 12 live??? wtf??

2010-07-05 Thread Dave Stevens
Quoting JD jd1...@gmail.com: On 07/05/2010 06:45 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: The subject line pretty much says it. It's quite frustrating to be unable to get this working. I am, open to suggestions. The same system with the thingy plugged into the same little hole(in the back of a Sound Blaster

Re: Help me troubleshoot this problem

2010-07-05 Thread awrobinson-ml
JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 06:44 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Rick Sewillrsew...@gmail.com wrote: On 07/05/2010 06:15 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote: Geoffrey Leachge...@hughes.net wrote: On 07/05/2010 03:28:20 PM, awrobinson...@nc.rr.com wrote:

Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers

2010-07-05 Thread Todd Zullinger
Ed Greshko wrote: I think the suggestion was more to eliminate it as well as any redirection since enough time has elapsed since the move to fedoraproject.org. So, kill the alias as well as it has outlived its usefulness. I don't think that's likely to happen. At the least, it's not

konsole and print screen

2010-07-05 Thread Gregory P. Ennis
Everyone, Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this question, but I am not getting much of a response from the kde-linux list. The older konsole application allowed the user to print the screen of the konsole window. Since about Fc10 or 11 this feature was retired. Does anyone have any

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