Re: Problems with DNS name server in Fedora 16

2011-11-13 Thread Michael Hannon
Greetings.  I just installed Fedora 16 (x86_64) on my home computer today. Not an altogether pleasant experience so far, I must say. I've got one issue in particular that's really puzzling me. [...] I.e., the host utility CAN resolve the name, as can the dig utility (not shown in the

Preugrade Stalled?

2011-11-13 Thread Dave Cross
I'm trying to upgrade my Dell desktop to F16 using preupgrade. I ran the download overnight and started the actual upgrade this morning. I started it running and wandered off for an hour and a half. When I came back it was at the examining storage devices stage. But the progress bar isn't moving.

Virt-manager and qemu-kvm Bugs

2011-11-13 Thread Christian
Hi I'm running Fedora 16 I686 on an IBM X60s Laptop. If I try to add spice to a guest changing from vnc to spice server, and the video card from cirrus to qxl adding the channels, the guest doesn't boot complaining that he qemu binary has no spicevmc support. If I remove the channels it complains

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 Fedora User wrote: The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to sysV which seemed very straightforward. Arcane is the word. One big problem is the

chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Frank Murphy
On 13/11/11 11:12, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: -T.C. 404 on the rpm -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/13/2011 07:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 13/11/11 11:12, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: -T.C. 404 on the rpm Fine from here... -- Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it to? -- Clarence Darrow -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/13/2011 07:29 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 11/13/2011 07:22 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: On 13/11/11 11:12, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: -T.C. 404 on the rpm Fine from here... Oooopss wrong link NOT fine from here... -- Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going

Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: 404 on the rpm Fixed. Sorry about that! -T.C. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Can't get mouse keys to work

2011-11-13 Thread Weydson Lima
I don't seem to be able to enable mouse keys on my FC 15. I have enabled under System Settings-Pointing and Clicking-Mouse Keys, but the numpad doesn't control the mouse. Can anyone point me to what I might be doing wrong? Thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: F16 / HTTPD will not start

2011-11-13 Thread mike cloaked
On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 4:04 PM, Steven Stern subscribed-li...@sterndata.com wrote: It was working under F15, before the upgrade.  Now, systemctl httpd.service start results in Shouldn't it be systemctl start httpd.service ? -- mike c -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:12 AM, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Nov 12, 2011 at 10:10 PM, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:00:13 -0500 Fedora User wrote: The system does seem to boot faster but this is really arcane compared to

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread JB
Thomas Cameron thomas.cameron at camerontech.com writes: On 11/13/2011 01:15 AM, JB wrote: Hi, every Fedora release is going downhill ... Erm, no. Each Fedora release has brought in numerous technical improvements. Virtualization, clustering, directory services, more and more

Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread suvayu ali
Hi, On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:34, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:22 AM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote: 404 on the rpm Fixed.  Sorry about that! I can't seem to pipe the output or redirect it to a file. Try either of those gives me

Re: Preugrade Stalled?

2011-11-13 Thread Dave Cross
On 13 November 2011 10:50, Dave Cross dav...@gmail.com wrote: I'm trying to upgrade my Dell desktop to F16 using preupgrade. I ran the download overnight and started the actual upgrade this morning. I started it running and wandered off for an hour and a half. When I came back it was at the

dconf-editor icon-manager

2011-11-13 Thread Alexander Volovics
If I understand it correctly after installing 'gnome-shell-extension-icon-manager' and 'dconf-editor' it is possible to add/remove icons from the top-bar (Fed 16 + Gnome 3.2). However I can find no documentation to explain how to do this except

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread 夜神 岩男
Red Hat as a company is poised to be a billion dollar company this year (FY12). The FY 2006 earnings were $278.3 million.[1] That's a 4X increase in just 6 years. That's *amazing* growth. Yes, it is. But it is also a reflection of economic decline, financial crash, IT crash that make free

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me what units are available, not what units are enabled to be started at boot. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Re: dconf-editor icon-manager [solved]

2011-11-13 Thread Alexander Volovics
On 11/13/2011 02:53 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote: If I understand it correctly after installing 'gnome-shell-extension-icon-manager' and 'dconf-editor' it is possible to add/remove icons from the top-bar (Fed 16 + Gnome 3.2). However I can find no documentation to explain how to do this

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:41:14 + mike cloaked wrote: Whilst we are on the subject can someone tell me what the systemd equivalent is for the command service iptables save ? I always just run the iptables-save program directly and redirect output to /etc/sysconfig/iptables if you really want

Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 6:46 AM, suvayu ali fatkasuvayu+li...@gmail.com wrote: I can't seem to pipe the output or redirect it to a file. Try either of those gives me this backtrace: graphical.target Traceback (most recent call last):  File /usr/bin/chksystemd, line 241, in module    main()

Re: Problems with DNS name server in Fedora 16

2011-11-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 00:26:12 -0800 (PST) Michael Hannon wrote: I don't understand why the resolver didn't fall through to the second nameserver, but it evidently did not.  After I put the nameservers in the order you suggest, everything seems to be working fine! Because the multiple servers

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Alan Cox
Erm, no. Each Fedora release has brought in numerous technical improvements. Virtualization, clustering, directory services, more and more features and performance per release. That's a politicians answer. It's completely ignoring the point raised. It doesn't matter how many features a new

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 08:00 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Look at things like http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Statistics, which indicate that downloads and torrents are going up with each release, not down. Be careful that downloads are a lagging indicator of success. They go up after you get it right not as,

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 07:15:20 +, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: every Fedora release is going downhill ... If you are referring to quality, I disagree that they are going downhill. If you are referring to mindshare amoung people that use linux, that seems likely to be true. Ubuntu

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 04:42 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd. So, I wrote one: http://tchol.org/chksystemd/ Perhaps patches to

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread mike cloaked
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 2:46 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 04:42 PM, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: Unfortunately, chkconfig itself doesn't translate to systemd well. However, this thread got me thinking that there is a need for a chkconfig-like tool for systemd.  So,

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Andre Costa
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:22, Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:41:14 + mike cloaked wrote: Whilst we are on the subject can someone tell me what the systemd equivalent is for the command service iptables save ? I always just run the iptables-save

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:45:34 +, JB jb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: Some from an independent Fedora devs, others from other distros by adoption of those that are useful and not conflicting with its goals. That is unlikely to happen. More likely the fork would just die. Fedora is

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Mike Wohlgemuth
On 11/13/2011 09:30 AM, Alan Cox wrote: That's a politicians answer. It's completely ignoring the point raised. With all due respect, the original poster appeared not to have much of a point. Statements like every Fedora release is going downhill ... Time for Fedora to decouple from RH and

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread stan
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:17:41 -0500 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me what units are available, not what units are enabled to be started at

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread inode0
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 1:50 AM, Thomas Cameron thomas.came...@camerontech.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 01:15 AM, JB wrote: Hi, every Fedora release is going downhill ... Erm, no. Each Fedora release has brought in numerous technical improvements. Virtualization, clustering, directory services,

Re: Problems with DNS name server in Fedora 16

2011-11-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/13/2011 12:26 AM, Michael Hannon wrote: Another good suggestion. I had forgotten about the immutable attribute. I've set it now. (It's a safe bet that in six months or so I'll be sending a note to the list, whining about how I can't edit resolv.conf ;-) Suggestion: take off the

Re: chksystemd Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread suvayu ali
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 15:22, T.C. Hollingsworth tchollingswo...@gmail.com wrote: UnicodeEncodeError: 'ascii' codec can't encode character u'\u2502' in position 0: ordinal not in range(128) Yay for unicode bugs!  Fixed in chksystemd-2 (along with a brown paper bag bug that made the reset

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/13/2011 03:45 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 07:15:20 +, JBjb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: every Fedora release is going downhill ... If you are referring to quality, I disagree that they are going downhill. Well, having spent most of this weekend with

[F15] no windows borders in Xfce

2011-11-13 Thread mike lan
Hello every one in XFCe, I get no window borders , I have no way to minimize or maximize or close a window. thanks . -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:34:59 -0700 stan wrote: How about systemctl -a -t service | less and if you want only active services systemctl -a -t service | grep -e active | less or inactive similarly systemctl -a -t service | grep -e inactive | less Still not the same, a service might be

Re: [F15] no windows borders in Xfce

2011-11-13 Thread Leonardo Silveira
Look at this: http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php?id=5455 try to run on a console xfwm4 --replace hope it helps Em Dom, 2011-11-13 às 16:26 +, mike lan escreveu: Hello every one in XFCe, I get no window borders , I have no way to minimize or maximize or close a window. thanks

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:17:41 -0500 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me what units are available, not what units are enabled to be started at

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Ralf Corsepius writes: On 11/13/2011 03:45 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 07:15:20 +, JBjb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: every Fedora release is going downhill ... If you are referring to quality, I disagree that they are going downhill. Well, having spent most of

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Fedora User
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 08:34:59 -0700 stan gr...@q.com wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:17:41 -0500 Tom Horsley horsley1...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, 12 Nov 2011 22:15:00 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: systemctl list-unit-files give you any of what you are looking for? That tells me

Re: [F15] no windows borders in Xfce

2011-11-13 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:26:13 + mike lan lan.mik...@gmail.com wrote: Hello every one in XFCe, I get no window borders , I have no way to minimize or maximize or close a window. thanks . Mike: Give this a try: 1. Open up a terminal with ALT Fn2. (or Fn3 or Fn4 ...) 2. Enter xfwm4 .

Re: [F15] no windows borders in Xfce

2011-11-13 Thread mike lan
Thanks :) it works On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 4:39 PM, Carroll Grigsby cgrigs...@att.net wrote: On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 16:26:13 + mike lan lan.mik...@gmail.com wrote: Hello every one in XFCe, I get no window borders , I have no way to minimize or maximize or close a window.

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 09:35:01 -0700 Kevin Fenzi wrote: sorry, I meant: systemctl list-unit-files | grep enabled kevin That almost does it, but there is still something slightly different: [root@zooty ~]# ls /etc/systemd/system/*.wants/*.service | wc -l 31 [root@zooty ~]# systemctl

Feroda for server

2011-11-13 Thread Benjamin
Hi, I want to deploy high squid proxy in our production environment in which we have online 12000 users and 800 mbps bandwith. So for that we planning for high end h/w with linux os. Does fedora is good for our requirement or do we need to go for centos / rhel ? Please guide me resolve my

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/13/2011 08:21 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Finally, yes, I have to agree, in comparison to F15 (which I consider the worst Fedora ever) I sense some quality improvements. Which is why I skipped it. My impression is that the teething troubles with Gnome 3/Gnome Shell and the new systemd

Re: Little Yellow Boxes

2011-11-13 Thread Martin Airs
On Saturday 12 Nov 2011 18:40:20 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Ever since my upgrade to Fedora-16, whenever I center click on the background of KDE running the activity Search and Launch I get a small yellow box at the bottom of the screen, just above the panel. Does anyone know what these boxes

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/13/2011 08:35 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: It depends on where you're standing. If you follow the well-trodden path, of always doing a fresh install, not upgrading, and always taking the default filesystem layout, and only importing /home from the previous version, you'll be fine. I've

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Alan Cox
Those are *not* just statistics on downloads. I appreciate that - but popularity is a lagging indicator in general. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread JB
夜神 岩男 supergiantpotato at yahoo.co.jp writes: ... The IT market is massively overweight, overvalued and engages in enormously wasteful development practices right now. Open source development for the most common of software system elements + a revenue stream based on hardware sales and

Re: Feroda for server

2011-11-13 Thread Marvin Kosmal
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Benjamin benjo11...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I want to deploy high squid proxy in our production environment in which we have online 12000 users and 800 mbps bandwith. So for that we planning for high end h/w with linux os. Does fedora is good for our

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 11/13/2011 05:35 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Ralf Corsepius writes: On 11/13/2011 03:45 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 07:15:20 +, JBjb.1234a...@gmail.com wrote: every Fedora release is going downhill ... If you are referring to quality, I disagree that they

Re: Feroda for server

2011-11-13 Thread Benjamin
On 11/13/2011 10:49 PM, Marvin Kosmal wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 9:01 AM, Benjamin benjo11...@gmail.com mailto:benjo11...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, I want to deploy high squid proxy in our production environment in which we have online 12000 users and 800 mbps bandwith.

Re: Disabling touchpad on Dell Latitude with XFCE

2011-11-13 Thread Oliver Ruebenacker
Hello Rick, On Fri, Nov 11, 2011 at 4:17 PM, Rick Stevens ri...@nerd.com wrote: On 11/11/2011 10:27 AM, Oliver Ruebenacker wrote:      Hello, On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 8:32 PM, Oliver Ruebenacker cur...@gmail.com wrote: Â I now found that apparently, I have a MultiTouch touchpad. Dell even

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 09:14 PM, inode0 wrote: You are both correct but you are looking at the result from different perspectives. Many technical improvements do happen and they are admired by those who *later* use them in an enterprise distribution. At the same time many of those same improvements

Re: Feroda for server

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 11:09 PM, Benjamin wrote: Hi, do i go with RHEL 6 64 bit ? Hard to give blanket answers without knowing more about the considerations for your deployment but yes, 64-bit would generally be preferable. Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 10:07 PM, Fedora User wrote: SystemD fixes what weren't broke ;-) Seriously. It's easier to eliminate it all and just script everything in rc.local. Not for any serious distribution developer or system administrator and btw, it is spelled systemd Rahul -- users mailing list

Re: Little Yellow Boxes

2011-11-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 17:05 +, Martin Airs wrote: On Saturday 12 Nov 2011 18:40:20 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Ever since my upgrade to Fedora-16, whenever I center click on the background of KDE running the activity Search and Launch I get a small yellow box at the bottom of the screen,

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 10:41 PM, Alan Cox wrote: Those are *not* just statistics on downloads. I appreciate that - but popularity is a lagging indicator in general. Whether popularity should even be a consideration depends on the goals of the project however I should also note the statistics page

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Colin Paul Adams
Joe == Joe Zeff j...@zeff.us writes: Joe I've used preupgrade on both my desktop and laptop for the last Joe several upgrades and all has gone well. Yes, I did have to Joe expand /boot once and once I had to tell grub to start the Joe upgrade at boot, but compared to the type of

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread inode0
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 09:14 PM, inode0 wrote: You are both correct but you are looking at the result from different perspectives. Many technical improvements do happen and they are admired by those who *later* use them in an

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread JB
Alan Cox alan at lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk writes: ... But clustering and directory services, like forcing LVM on hapless end users are really irrelevant to most. LVM wasn't a big deal for those who knew better - disable it on install and your disk I/O improves, ... Be blessed :-) You reminded me

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 11:34 PM, inode0 wrote: value to the Fedora desktop user are two very different things. False dichotomy. It is only false if you assume I meant the groups to be mutually exclusive, which I did not mean since I am an example of a user in both groups. We do however have a lot

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread inode0
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:34 PM, inode0 wrote: value to the Fedora desktop user are two very different things. False dichotomy. It is only false if you assume I meant the groups to be mutually exclusive, which I did not mean

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 11/13/2011 01:17 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:34 PM, inode0 wrote: value to the Fedora desktop user are two very different things. False dichotomy. It is only false if you assume I meant the groups to be mutually exclusive, which I did not mean since I am an example of a

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new clustering technology? You aren't making any sense to me now I live in a larger ecosystem so of course I do care. But in this context saying other

Re: Little Yellow Boxes

2011-11-13 Thread Martin Airs
On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 09:56:32 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Deleting a note isn't so easy; there's been a fair amount of discussion on the web about how to remove widgets, none of it informative. I would have thought that if a note is right clicked, a menu would appear with an option to delete the

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread inode0
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new clustering technology?  You aren't making any sense to me now You really can't think

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 14:55:55 +, MC (mike) wrote: I would like to see something in systemctl to achieve what used to be done with service iptables save - as another poster already said one can manually do: iptables-save /etc/sysconfig/iptables Most daemon controls were done with either

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/14/2011 12:16 AM, inode0 wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new clustering technology? You aren't making any

Re: SystemD - F-16

2011-11-13 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 13:05:47 -0200, AC (Andre) wrote: Maybe if there was a similar documentation explaining to old dogs (myself included) how to do SysV tasks the systemd way, transition would be easier. I know the information is probably already on all the manpages somehow, but I'm talking

Re: Feroda for server

2011-11-13 Thread M A Young
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011, Benjamin wrote: do i go with RHEL 6 64 bit ? Or one of the clones such as CentOS or Scientific Linux, if you don't need the support and don't want to pay the license fee. Michael Young -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change

Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Gary Waters
I am using Fedora 15. This Am when I opened up firefox and went to my online banking I noticed my saved user profile was gone. When I went to the weather channel's site my firefox security kept asking me for my main password, which was weird since that never happened before. I also noticed the

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Thomas Cameron
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/13/2011 11:16 AM, JB wrote: ? supergiantpotato at yahoo.co.jp writes: ... The IT market is massively overweight, overvalued and engages in enormously wasteful development practices right now. Open source development for the most

Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Martin Airs
On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 14:24:12 Gary Waters wrote: I am using Fedora 15. This Am when I opened up firefox and went to my online banking I noticed my saved user profile was gone. When I went to the weather channel's site my firefox security kept asking me for my main password, which was weird

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread JB
Bruno Wolff III bruno at wolff.to writes: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:45:34 +, JB jb.1234abcd at gmail.com wrote: Some from an independent Fedora devs, others from other distros by adoption of those that are useful and not conflicting with its goals. That is unlikely to happen.

Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Gary Waters
On 11/13/2011 02:33 PM, Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 14:24:12 Gary Waters wrote: I am using Fedora 15. This Am when I opened up firefox and went to my online banking I noticed my saved user profile was gone. When I went to the weather channel's site my firefox security kept asking

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/14/2011 01:04 AM, JB wrote: Perhaps no fork would be required. Even if it is required, it is a lot of work and I am not sure anyone with just a opinion would be willing to sign up for it. RH could release tight control of Fedora for its own interest. Be more specific. Describe in a

chrome package differences

2011-11-13 Thread jackson byers
$ uname -r 2.6.35.14-103.fc14.i686.PAE [root@f14 ~]# yum list installed |grep chrom google-chrome-beta.i386 xorg-x11-drv-openchrome.i686 [root@f14 ~]# how are these two related? Are they two distinct complete packages of chrome? Do I need both? Is one a dependency of the other? At the

Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Martin Airs
On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 14:37:06 Gary Waters wrote: It's 12.4 KB (12739 bytes)... Any other suggestions? Hmm, the only other thing i can think of is to use the file size view in konqueror to view your home folder, it should be easy to spot the culprit Martin signature.asc Description: This

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Thomas Cameron
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/13/2011 08:30 AM, Alan Cox wrote: Erm, no. Each Fedora release has brought in numerous technical improvements. Virtualization, clustering, directory services, more and more features and performance per release. That's a politicians answer.

Re: chrome package differences

2011-11-13 Thread Martin Airs
On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 11:47:02 jackson byers wrote: $ uname -r 2.6.35.14-103.fc14.i686.PAE [root@f14 ~]# yum list installed |grep chrom google-chrome-beta.i386 xorg-x11-drv-openchrome.i686 [root@f14 ~]# how are these two related? Are they two distinct complete packages of chrome?

Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Mark LaPierre
On 11/13/2011 02:37 PM, Gary Waters wrote: On 11/13/2011 02:33 PM, Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 14:24:12 Gary Waters wrote: I am using Fedora 15. This Am when I opened up firefox and went to my online banking I noticed my saved user profile was gone. When I went to the weather

fedora as wifi access point; usb recommendation

2011-11-13 Thread Mike Wright
Hi all, I want to configure an f-box as a wi-fi access point. Anybody out there doing that? Looked at hostapd but am confused about nl80211 requirement. I built from src and it seems to include that driver intrinscally as well as atheros and broadcom support. Does the fedora build of

Re: fedora as wifi access point; usb recommendation

2011-11-13 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 12:13:44 -0800 Mike Wright wrote: I hope all I need is a supported adapter. Recommendations? I've tried this with some (but limited) success. Here is my saga: http://home.comcast.net/~tomhorsley/hardware/rtl8192cu/rtl8192cu.html The new ralink dongle it says I got working

Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Gary Waters
On 11/13/2011 02:47 PM, Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 14:37:06 Gary Waters wrote: It's 12.4 KB (12739 bytes)... Any other suggestions? Hmm, the only other thing i can think of is to use the file size view in konqueror to view your home folder, it should be easy to spot the

What determines mdraid minor device numbers

2011-11-13 Thread Sam Varshavchik
I have existing mdraid arrays. They get mounted as /dev/md0 through /dev/md2. After some sweat and tears, I reduces the size of one of them, and used the free disk space to assemble a new array (all arrays we're talking here are raid 1, with two disks). I formatted the new md device as ext3.

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread JB
Thomas Cameron thomas.cameron at camerontech.com writes: On 11/13/2011 11:16 AM, JB wrote: ? supergiantpotato at yahoo.co.jp writes: ... The IT market is massively overweight, overvalued and engages in enormously wasteful development practices right now. Open source

Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Gary Waters
On 11/13/2011 03:27 PM, Gary Waters wrote: On 11/13/2011 02:47 PM, Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 14:37:06 Gary Waters wrote: It's 12.4 KB (12739 bytes)... Any other suggestions? Hmm, the only other thing i can think of is to use the file size view in konqueror to view your home

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread inode0
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new clustering technology?  You aren't making any sense to me now Let's start over. User

Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Frank Cox
On Sun, 13 Nov 2011 15:38:43 -0500 Gary Waters wrote: The offending file appears to be /home/admin/.cache/tracker/meta.db-wal What in the name of the sweet lawd jaysus is that? How do I rectify this? I'm kinda from planet noobie at this level.. running .cache/tracker/meta.db-wal through

Re: Re: Free Space fluctuations - Home directory Weirdness

2011-11-13 Thread Martin Airs
On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 15:38:43 Gary Waters wrote: The offending file appears to be /home/admin/.cache/tracker/meta.db-wal What in the name of the sweet lawd jaysus is that? How do I rectify this? I'm kinda from planet noobie at this level.. G aaah, that tracker thing is like strigi for

Re: Little Yellow Boxes

2011-11-13 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Sun, 2011-11-13 at 18:38 +, Martin Airs wrote: On Sunday 13 Nov 2011 09:56:32 Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: Deleting a note isn't so easy; there's been a fair amount of discussion on the web about how to remove widgets, none of it informative. I would have thought that if a note is right

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Rahul Sundaram
On 11/14/2011 02:12 AM, inode0 wrote: User #1 is from the user base professed by the project to be its target audience. User #2 is more from the enterprise consumer side of Fedora's community. My suggestion was to be more open about the importance of both of these user bases to help resolve

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Thomas Cameron
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/13/2011 02:42 PM, inode0 wrote: On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 12:32 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/13/2011 11:57 PM, inode0 wrote: They are affected by many of the changes. That is why. How is a desktop user affected by new

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread inode0
On Sun, Nov 13, 2011 at 3:01 PM, Rahul Sundaram methe...@gmail.com wrote: On 11/14/2011 02:12 AM, inode0 wrote: User #1 is from the user base professed by the project to be its target audience. User #2 is more from the enterprise consumer side of Fedora's community. My suggestion was to be

Re: Problems with DNS name server in Fedora 16

2011-11-13 Thread Michael Hannon
Another good suggestion.  I had forgotten about the immutable attribute. I've set it now.  (It's a safe bet that in six months or so I'll be sending a note to the list, whining about how I can't edit resolv.conf ;-) Suggestion: take off the immutable bit, now, add a comment saying that it's

Re: Problems with DNS name server in Fedora 16

2011-11-13 Thread Michael Hannon
I don't understand why the resolver didn't fall through to the second nameserver, but it evidently did not.  After I put the nameservers in the order you suggest, everything seems to be working fine! Because the multiple servers are only good for the first server failing. Once the first

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread Alan Cox
like maybe there's some round hole/square peg going on here. Fedora, almost by definition, will be bleeding edge and therefore, somewhat buggy. But, really, our version of buggy is *so* much better than I deal with as regards most closed source commercial code, it's not even funny. This is

USB printer discovery

2011-11-13 Thread antonio montagnani
I have an USB laser printer (Samsung ML-1610): should it be discovered by Fedora? how long does it take the discovery process?? Manual set-up work flawlessly. Tnx -- Antonio M Skype: amontag52 Linux Fedora F15 (Lovelock) on Acer 5720 http://lugsaronno.altervista.org

Re: Trends - how to save Fedora ?

2011-11-13 Thread JB
Rahul Sundaram metherid at gmail.com writes: On 11/14/2011 01:04 AM, JB wrote: Perhaps no fork would be required. Even if it is required, it is a lot of work and I am not sure anyone with just a opinion would be willing to sign up for it. RH could release tight control of Fedora

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