RE: new paradigm

2011-11-25 Thread R - elists
Christian, when you reply to people, dont put their email address in the post. please stop that. again, if you would read the posts slowly and correctly, i was not attacking you or your ideas. see the word not there... this is a discussion list, not a discrediting list. in terms of negation,

Re: new paradigm

2011-11-25 Thread Bernd Petrovitsch
On Mit, 2011-11-23 at 14:55 -0300, Christian Grunfeld wrote: [] Flaws ? False positivesyes, ONLY the first time for each sender! just answer your good mails and they´ll become ham next time. Mails not answered (spam) remains as spam next and next and next ! 1) That might look

RE: new paradigm

2011-11-25 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 00:03:20 -0800, R - elists wrote: when you reply to people, dont put their email address in the post. maillists often not remove originating sender addr, if thay did how can i get all that private emails orinating from maillists ?

Re: Where to get rules created by users?

2011-11-25 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 11/23/2011 2:17 PM, Sergio wrote: is there a place where I could have MCP rules for my server? MCP = Message Content? As opposed to pathway analysis, etc.? I want to block LOAN, EDUCATION DEGREES, JOB OFFERS, etc. and maybe there is a place where to get them.

Re: Where to get rules created by users?

2011-11-25 Thread RW
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 08:57:45 -0500 Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 11/23/2011 2:17 PM, Sergio wrote: is there a place where I could have MCP rules for my server? MCP = Message Content? As opposed to pathway analysis, etc.? MCP appears to be a MailScanner term

Re: Short body rules

2011-11-25 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 11/25/2011 12:23 AM, Alex wrote: Some time ago we created the following rule on this list to identify mail with less than 200 characters in the body: uri __HAS_HTTP_URI m~^https?://~ rawbody __KB_RAWBODY_200/^.{0,200}$/s metaLOC_SHORT (__HAS_HTTP_URI

Re: Where to get rules created by users?

2011-11-25 Thread Sergio
Thank you Kevin! @ RW, you are right I use MailScanner and all my rules are created under the MCP, it works really great and all the rules that I create are there, so I don't mess with Spam Assassin rules. Best Regards, Sergio On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:08 AM, RW

Re: Short body rules

2011-11-25 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 11/25/2011 11:06 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 11/25/2011 12:23 AM, Alex wrote: Some time ago we created the following rule on this list to identify mail with less than 200 characters in the body: uri __HAS_HTTP_URI m~^https?://~ rawbody __KB_RAWBODY_200/^.{0,200}$/s

How long a rule can be?

2011-11-25 Thread Sergio
I have the following rule where I wrote all the HELO spammers that SA didn't caught, I insert the new HELO everytime that I found one. My concern is, is too much for just one rule or the rule can grow without limit? header CHARLY_RULE1ALL =~

[Fwd: Re: How long a rule can be?]

2011-11-25 Thread Martin Gregorie
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 11:49 -0600, Sergio wrote: I have the following rule where I wrote all the HELO spammers that SA didn't caught, I insert the new HELO everytime that I found one. My concern is, is too much for just one rule or the rule can grow without limit? When I asked this question a

Re: [Fwd: Re: How long a rule can be?]

2011-11-25 Thread Sergio
Thank you Martin, I will give it a try to your pormanteu, appreciated for sharing it. Regards, Sergio On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 12:13 PM, Martin Gregorie mar...@gregorie.orgwrote: On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 11:49 -0600, Sergio wrote: I have the following rule where I wrote all the HELO spammers

Re: Short body rules

2011-11-25 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 11/25/2011 11:06 AM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 11/25/2011 12:23 AM, Alex wrote: Some time ago we created the following rule on this list to identify mail with less than 200 characters in the body: rawbody __KB_RAWBODY_200

Re: How long a rule can be?

2011-11-25 Thread Axb
On 2011-11-25 18:49, Sergio wrote: I have the following rule where I wrote all the HELO spammers that SA didn't caught, I insert the new HELO everytime that I found one. My concern is, is too much for just one rule or the rule can grow without limit? header CHARLY_RULE1ALL =~

Re: [Fwd: Re: How long a rule can be?]

2011-11-25 Thread Benny Pedersen
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011 18:13:32 +, Martin Gregorie wrote: http://www.libelle-systems.com/free/portmanteau/portmanteau.tgz I was thinking of using a server plus plugin to do this but was convinced that this 'portmanteau rule' approach was better: it certainly works well for me. thanks for

Re: Short body rules

2011-11-25 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 11:49 -0500, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 11/25/2011 12:23 AM, Alex wrote: Some time ago we created the following rule on this list to identify mail with less than 200 characters in the body: rawbody __KB_RAWBODY_200/^.{0,200}$/s I'm finding that it's

Re: Short body rules

2011-11-25 Thread John Hardin
On Fri, 25 Nov 2011, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: rawbody __KB_MIMEPART_200 /^.{2,200}$/s And my suggested alternative should probably be adjusted in the same manner. Any comment on what I suggested (the 1 LE + 0 GT approach)? -- John Hardin KA7OHZ

Hacked webmail accounts (BTInternet/Yahoo)

2011-11-25 Thread Ned Slider
Hi, I'm looking at try to write some rules to detect these. Specifically, I'd like to target btinternet.com accounts (one of the largest UK telecom companies) who have recently outsourced their email to Yahoo. An example (spam) crossed my path today that only hit bayes_99. Looking at the

Re: [Fwd: Re: How long a rule can be?]

2011-11-25 Thread Sergio
@Axb, just curious.. what are you trying to achieve by running these domains through ALL headers? catch senders? received headers? there headers that comes with the following: Received: from [66.85.187.123] *(helo=vpn123.layeredvpnzervices.com)* by izabal.espacioydominio.com with esmtp

Re: Short body rules

2011-11-25 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
And my suggested alternative should probably be adjusted in the same manner. Any comment on what I suggested (the 1 LE + 0 GT approach)? Yup, it needs the same adjustment as I just explained, a minimum of at least 2 chars. On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 10:52 -0800, John Hardin wrote: rawbody

Re: [Fwd: Re: How long a rule can be?]

2011-11-25 Thread Axb
On 2011-11-25 21:36, Sergio wrote: @Axb, just curious.. what are you trying to achieve by running these domains through ALL headers? catch senders? received headers? there headers that comes with the following: Received: from [66.85.187.123] *(helo=vpn123.layeredvpnzervices.com)* by

Re: [Fwd: Re: How long a rule can be?]

2011-11-25 Thread Christian Grunfeld
Just to mention two examples, well, the point is that in a lot of spam emails the HELO is the same for a lot of different email addresses, so, I am trying to block that. Is there a better way than checking all the header? @ Christian Grunfeld a blacklist lookup table can achieve the

Re: Short body rules

2011-11-25 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 20:42 +0100, Karsten Bräckelmann wrote: On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 11:49 -0500, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: It was a brilliantly simple idea but this concept won't work if I am looking at things correctly. The loop for the pattern test appears to test line by line. So if a

Re: [Fwd: Re: How long a rule can be?]

2011-11-25 Thread Sergio
@ Axb, look at it this way.. the less a rule has to do the faster it is and less prone to error/FPs If you check ALL headers, SA will go thru long DKIM headers for a pattern which will not show up in DKIM header, it will look in X headers, From, To, etc,etc.. big waste of time and CPU cycles

Re: Hacked webmail accounts (BTInternet/Yahoo)

2011-11-25 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Fri, 2011-11-25 at 20:27 +, Ned Slider wrote: header__L_BT_YAHOO_WEBMAIL01 Received =~ /from \[86\.1[2-9][0-9]\.\d{1,3}\.\d{1,3}] by web\d{4,6}\.mail\.\w{3}\.yahoo\.com via HTTP/i but it would be far easier if I could somehow do a rDNS lookup on the IP, see if it