Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread RW
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 20:50:08 +0200 Axb wrote: On 04/20/2015 08:04 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: Is anyone else seeing a sudden uptick in RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP FPs? There is an ongoing discussion about this with MS, thru backchannels. They're intentionally using the 0/8 to mask internal IPs. A

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Mark Martinec
John Hardin wrote: I suggest that this rule should treat 0/8 as equivalent to 127/8. That's essentially what it's reserved for, just local to the LAN vs. local to the host. I fully agree. Mark

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Benny Pedersen
Benny Pedersen skrev den 2015-04-20 21:34: John Hardin skrev den 2015-04-20 21:24: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015, Reindl Harald wrote: well, received headers in the middle of a message are not that good for classification at all It is if they are sloppily forged. good plan here

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015, sha...@shanew.net wrote: I'm also happy to know there's some discussion going on with MS. When I mentioned it to an MS friend of mine last week he didn't seem particularly shocked that the internal headers wouldn't comply with expectations, but he also seemed surprised that

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.04.2015 um 22:48 schrieb Axb: On 04/20/2015 09:03 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: well, received headers in the middle of a message are not that good for classification at all sez the expert.. well, i was victim of a appliance starting from one day to another deep header inspection for

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 17:02:09 -0700 (PDT) John Hardin jhar...@impsec.org wrote: I suggest that this rule should treat 0/8 as equivalent to 127/8. That's essentially what it's reserved for, just local to the LAN vs. local to the host. Does 0/8 really mean that? On at least one OS (Linux), the

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Axb
On 04/20/2015 09:03 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: well, received headers in the middle of a message are not that good for classification at all sez the expert.. look at 20_dnsbl_tests.cf and you'll see that not all lookups are lastexternal or put the internet cafes on 41.203.69.0/24 in a local

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread shanew
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015, Axb wrote: On 04/20/2015 08:04 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: Hi, Not sure if this is still an issue in 3.4, but I'm seeing tons of FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP. Why? Because Microsoft (damn it to hell) has started using RESERVED IP ranges internally! Have a look: Received:

Re: some people get high score

2015-04-20 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 19.04.15 22:38, richard lucassen wrote: I've been using SA for a log time now an it has always been working perfectly well. It runs on a bunch of Postfix servers that handle hundreds of thousands mails per day. I'm certainly not an SA guru BTW. But since a few weeks SA has got picky on just

spamass-milter processing brunette.com messages as if from localhost

2015-04-20 Thread @lbutlr
Bronto.com is a remailer service for various companies (like Fractureme.com and others) and I’ve been noting that it hits some odd triggers in spamass-milter: Apr 19 15:00:40 mail spamd[87225]: spamd: result: Y 5 -

FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Dianne Skoll
Hi, Not sure if this is still an issue in 3.4, but I'm seeing tons of FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP. Why? Because Microsoft (damn it to hell) has started using RESERVED IP ranges internally! Have a look: Received: from BLUPR10MB0835.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (0.163.216.13) by

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 4/20/2015 2:04 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: Not sure if this is still an issue in 3.4, but I'm seeing tons of FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP. Why? Because Microsoft (damn it to hell) has started using RESERVED IP ranges internally! Have a look: Received: from BLUPR10MB0835.namprd10.prod.outlook.com

Re: some people get high score

2015-04-20 Thread richard lucassen
On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 22:42:21 +0200 Mikael Syska mik...@syska.dk wrote: I've been using SA for a log time now an it has always been working perfectly well. It runs on a bunch of Postfix servers that handle hundreds of thousands mails per day. I'm certainly not an SA guru BTW. But since

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:59:19 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote: I don't show it hitting on ham on my system though I trust DFS and AXB's experience in this matter. You might want to score it to 0 because I'm not going to raise a panic flag on a 1.3 score rule when Microsoft

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:20:35 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote: Are you seeing it on a lot of emails? Over 25000 today; every single one of them from an ...outlook.com server. :( Regards, Dianne.

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.04.2015 um 20:42 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail: On 4/20/2015 2:23 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:20:35 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote: Are you seeing it on a lot of emails? Over 25000 today; every single one of them from an ...outlook.com server. :(

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Axb
On 04/20/2015 08:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.04.2015 um 20:51 schrieb Axb: On 04/20/2015 08:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.04.2015 um 20:42 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail: On 4/20/2015 2:23 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:20:35 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 4/20/2015 2:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: no a rule with 1.3 points hitting to 99.999% ham messages is not good and it does not matter who is responsible - sening a complaint to microsoft does not solve a *real problem now* I don't show it hitting on ham on my system though I trust DFS and

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.04.2015 um 20:59 schrieb Axb: On 04/20/2015 08:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.04.2015 um 20:51 schrieb Axb: On 04/20/2015 08:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: looks like RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP does much more harm than good the rule is good - send your complaint to Microsoft. 0/8 is not

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 4/20/2015 2:23 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:20:35 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote: Are you seeing it on a lot of emails? Over 25000 today; every single one of them from an ...outlook.com server. :( Regards, Dianne. Weird. Any chance you know one of the

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Axb
On 04/20/2015 08:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.04.2015 um 20:42 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail: On 4/20/2015 2:23 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:20:35 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote: Are you seeing it on a lot of emails? Over 25000 today; every single one of

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Axb
On 04/20/2015 08:04 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: Hi, Not sure if this is still an issue in 3.4, but I'm seeing tons of FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP. Why? Because Microsoft (damn it to hell) has started using RESERVED IP ranges internally! Have a look: Received: from

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I'm not finding the rule hitting very much here. And it doesn't appear to be very high volume looking at http://ruleqa.spamassassin.org/20150419-r1674595-n/RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP/detail but the S/O is high.

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Dianne Skoll
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:42:35 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote: Weird. Any chance you know one of the senders and can ask them to email kmcgr...@pccc.com and raptorrevie...@pccc.com with a test? then you and I can compare tests hit, etc. Hmm... that'd be awkward because it's not

Re: some people get high score

2015-04-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.04.2015 um 20:52 schrieb richard lucassen: On Sun, 19 Apr 2015 22:42:21 +0200 Mikael Syska mik...@syska.dk wrote: I've been using SA for a log time now an it has always been working perfectly well. It runs on a bunch of Postfix servers that handle hundreds of thousands mails per day.

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.04.2015 um 20:51 schrieb Axb: On 04/20/2015 08:45 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 20.04.2015 um 20:42 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail: On 4/20/2015 2:23 PM, Dianne Skoll wrote: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015 14:20:35 -0400 Kevin A. McGrail kmcgr...@pccc.com wrote: Are you seeing it on a lot of emails?

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread John Hardin
On Mon, 20 Apr 2015, Reindl Harald wrote: well, received headers in the middle of a message are not that good for classification at all It is if they are sloppily forged. -- John Hardin KA7OHZhttp://www.impsec.org/~jhardin/ jhar...@impsec.orgFALaholic #11174

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Benny Pedersen
John Hardin skrev den 2015-04-20 21:24: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015, Reindl Harald wrote: well, received headers in the middle of a message are not that good for classification at all It is if they are sloppily forged. good plan here https://dmarcian.com/spf-survey/outlock.com ipv6 only spf

Re: FPs on RCVD_ILLEGAL_IP

2015-04-20 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 20.04.2015 um 21:34 schrieb Benny Pedersen: John Hardin skrev den 2015-04-20 21:24: On Mon, 20 Apr 2015, Reindl Harald wrote: well, received headers in the middle of a message are not that good for classification at all It is if they are sloppily forged. good plan here