Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-30 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 6/29/2015 10:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: tell me one reason why should i waste 1-5 seconds for on some days a million blocked mails while i can get rid of them in ms? On 29.06.15 11:00, Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Because, it's 1-5 seconds. If it was 1-5 minutes then sure. million times 1-5

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Of course, Postfix fixes everything from AIDS to global warming, it's the greatest MTA ever invented. eyeroll Exactly the kind of thing I would expect from you. Haven't you worn out that Postfix drum your banging yet? Ted On 6/27/2015 3:04 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 27.06.2015 um 10:18

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Charles Sprickman
On Jun 29, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 29.06.2015 um 18:29 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: Of course, Postfix fixes everything from AIDS to global warming, it's the greatest MTA ever invented. eyeroll for other MTA'S score-bayes RBL handling on MTA level

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 18:29 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: Of course, Postfix fixes everything from AIDS to global warming, it's the greatest MTA ever invented. eyeroll for other MTA'S score-bayes RBL handling on MTA level exists too in form of policy daemons eyeroll Exactly the kind of thing I

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
and here you go, so the next time before you answer with foam in front of your mouth and don't get what something like Postscreen means educate yourself! http://blog.schalanda.name/archives/118-Exim-4-and-policyd-weight.html/ Am 29.06.2015 um 18:35 schrieb Reindl Harald: Am 29.06.2015 um

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread David Jones
On Jun 29, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 29.06.2015 um 18:29 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: What other free MTA is there that’s in common use? qmail is dead and buried. Sendmail and Exim are pretty much niche. What exactly is wrong with Postfix? Nothing.

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
The days of squeezing every last CPU cycle out of something are long, gone Reindl. I really appreciate that your bound and determined to keep that 80486 server running but nobody else is doing it anymore. Why do you think SA is written in Perl? Of all languages!!! Sure, let's pick the

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 19:28 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: The days of squeezing every last CPU cycle out of something are long, gone Reindl. nonsense I really appreciate that your bound and determined to keep that 80486 server running but nobody else is doing it anymore. tell me one reason why

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 6/29/2015 9:48 AM, Charles Sprickman wrote: On Jun 29, 2015, at 12:35 PM, Reindl Haraldh.rei...@thelounge.net wrote: Am 29.06.2015 um 18:29 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: Of course, Postfix fixes everything from AIDS to global warming, it's the greatest MTA ever invented.eyeroll for other

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 19:34 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: My objection isn't to Postfix. My objection is to assuming that Postfix is the one and only way to do something. If you have an idea on how to block spam I'm all ears - until your idea gets positioned as a Postfix-only solution first. If you

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 6/29/2015 10:39 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 29.06.2015 um 19:28 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: The days of squeezing every last CPU cycle out of something are long, gone Reindl. nonsense I really appreciate that your bound and determined to keep that 80486 server running but nobody else

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-29 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 29.06.2015 um 20:00 schrieb Ted Mittelstaedt: I have users who sometimes want to receive mail from a system in an RBL. It's their mailbox, they are paying for it. Why should I not let them do it? these are corporate customers getting mail from other corporate customers who are completely

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-28 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On Friday 26 June 2015 17.40.04 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: But, putting RBL checks into the MTA is the best way I know to piss off your users since tag-and-forward is not an option on MTA rbl checking. That's why we all do our RBL checks in spamassassin. On 27.06.15 10:18, Martin S wrote: Could

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-27 Thread Martin S
On Friday 26 June 2015 17.40.04 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: But, putting RBL checks into the MTA is the best way I know to piss off your users since tag-and-forward is not an option on MTA rbl checking. That's why we all do our RBL checks in spamassassin. Could you elaborate on this? I'm new to

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.06.2015 um 10:18 schrieb Martin S: On Friday 26 June 2015 17.40.04 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: But, putting RBL checks into the MTA is the best way I know to piss off your users since tag-and-forward is not an option on MTA rbl checking. That's why we all do our RBL checks in spamassassin.

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-27 Thread Dave Wreski
Hi, blacklist_from *@*.allisonarctictrips.com spf-pass take responselily Yes, after it's received, there are a ton of things that could be done to block it (including my local RBL). I was hoping for something preventative. Eh? I'm afraid I don't get this at all - greylisting and RBL

Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread Alex Regan
Hi, I have one system with greylisting enabled and another that hasn't yet been enabled. On the system without it, I'm receiving a ton of random spam that hits bayes99 but pretty much nothing else. http://pastebin.com/FzUkEvRp It all seems to be related to the same botnet because it has

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
Are you running a centralized Bayes with some honeypot addresses feeding it? A search of your messages log should give you plenty of bogus email addresses that the botnet has been probing for on your system. Pick some of the obvious ones and set them up as feeders to Bays and that should take

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
Alex Regan skrev den 2015-06-26 18:33: http://pastebin.com/FzUkEvRp blacklist_from *@*.allisonarctictrips.com spf-pass take responselily

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread David Jones
From: Benny Pedersen m...@junc.eu Sent: Friday, June 26, 2015 11:45 AM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: Re: Rules needed... Alex Regan skrev den 2015-06-26 18:33: http://pastebin.com/FzUkEvRp blacklist_from *@*.allisonarctictrips.com spf-pass take responselily That IP is on a ton

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread Bill Cole
On 26 Jun 2015, at 12:33, Alex Regan wrote: Hi, I have one system with greylisting enabled and another that hasn't yet been enabled. On the system without it, I'm receiving a ton of random spam that hits bayes99 but pretty much nothing else. http://pastebin.com/FzUkEvRp It all seems to be

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread Dave Wreski
On 06/26/2015 12:45 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: Alex Regan skrev den 2015-06-26 18:33: http://pastebin.com/FzUkEvRp blacklist_from *@*.allisonarctictrips.com spf-pass take responselily Yes, after it's received, there are a ton of things that could be done to block it (including my local

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread Benny Pedersen
On June 26, 2015 8:00:22 PM Dave Wreski dwre...@guardiandigital.com wrote: On 06/26/2015 12:45 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: Alex Regan skrev den 2015-06-26 18:33: http://pastebin.com/FzUkEvRp blacklist_from *@*.allisonarctictrips.com spf-pass take responselily Yes, after it's received,

Re: Rules needed...

2015-06-26 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 6/26/2015 10:53 AM, Dave Wreski wrote: On 06/26/2015 12:45 PM, Benny Pedersen wrote: Alex Regan skrev den 2015-06-26 18:33: http://pastebin.com/FzUkEvRp blacklist_from *@*.allisonarctictrips.com spf-pass take responselily Yes, after it's received, there are a ton of things that

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-24 Thread Matt Garretson
In my experience, banks and financial institutions tend to be among the worst offenders against sane bulk mailing practices. SPF or DKIM will be broken or inconsistently applied, and sender/relay domains seem to vary with the weather. I think it will be tough to nail down all the valid domains a

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-24 Thread Alexandre Boyer
Yep, you are damn right. I work in a company where I maintain a list for canadian banks and more. It's a pain, but it's effective. Should a few responsible of us contribute, it would greatly help. Alex, from osmose. Bow before me, for I am root. On 12-08-24 02:03 PM, Matt Garretson wrote: In

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread RW
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:33:56 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: # Fedex header__LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i meta LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX ((SPF_SOFTFAIL || SPF_FAIL) __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX) describe LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX Fedex SPF Fail and if I want to

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
Well i can help with a plugin to automate things but i can only automate something once it is done a few times. Have you written the rules you think will help for say two of the domain's? Have you collected example ham and spam? You have a good idea but without specifics, i don't know the

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 04:31, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 8/22/2012 8:33 PM, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i meta LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 12:08, RW wrote: On Thu, 23 Aug 2012 01:33:56 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: # Fedex header __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i meta LOCAL_SPF_FEDEX ((SPF_SOFTFAIL || SPF_FAIL) __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX) describeLOCAL_SPF_FEDEX Fedex SPF Fail and if

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
I think the idea has merit. Can you open a bug in bugzilla, please? My goals are to get some more polish on masscheck and put out a 3.4.0 rc1 and deal with the 3.4.X infrastructure changes. After that I'll offer to work with you on this if no one steps up by then. regards, KAM

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Mark Martinec
I guess what we are looking for is a plugin that can take a list of commonly abused domains known to have valid SPF records or valid DKIM signatures, and to be able to apply a (stronger) score to those messages that fail the SPF and/or DKIM test. Several common domains that do provide a

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Marc Perkel
Let's take wellsfargo.com (Wells Fargo Bank) as an example. If the FCrDNS of the connecting server is *.wellsfargo.com it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received lines and not forged it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received headers and it is forged it is spam. If wellsfargo.com is in

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 18:18, Marc Perkel wrote: Let's take wellsfargo.com (Wells Fargo Bank) as an example. If the FCrDNS of the connecting server is *.wellsfargo.com it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received lines and not forged it is ham. If wellsfargo.com is in the received headers and it is

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Jason Haar
Great idea - but don't under-estimate the amount of work. Someone thought there'd be only 20-30 domains to be covered - but I'd say that's actually 20-30 domains PER COUNTRY. Here in New Zealand we get a lot of phishing attacks using New Zealand banks - just like you get spam referring to your

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-23 Thread Alexandre Boyer
That's my opinion too. Therefor the community will have to contribute to the list of which domain to add or not. Alex, from osmose. Bow before me, for I am root. On 12-08-23 07:20 PM, Jason Haar wrote: Great idea - but don't under-estimate the amount of work. Someone thought there'd be only

Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Marc Perkel
I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. This would involve making a list of domains similar to the successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to block email that spoofs major institutions such as banks, credit cards, ebay, and other organizations that want to try to

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Ned Slider
On 22/08/12 16:22, Marc Perkel wrote: I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. This would involve making a list of domains similar to the successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to block email that spoofs major institutions such as banks, credit cards, ebay, and

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread RW
On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:40:23 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: On 22/08/12 16:22, Marc Perkel wrote: I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. This would involve making a list of domains similar to the successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to block email that spoofs

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Greg Troxel
RW rwmailli...@googlemail.com writes: My bank outsources it's email to a email marketing company. I think this sort of thing is quite common. The received header has nothing to do with the the bank. It passes spf, but the domain is not one it uses for anything else. I think the point is

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Ned Slider
On 23/08/12 00:07, RW wrote: On Wed, 22 Aug 2012 17:40:23 +0100 Ned Slider wrote: On 22/08/12 16:22, Marc Perkel wrote: I'd like to make a suggestion as to how to block a lot of fraud. This would involve making a list of domains similar to the successful freemail list plugin. The idea is to

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread John Hardin
On Thu, 23 Aug 2012, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header __LOCAL_FROM_FEDEX Return-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i metaLOCAL_SPF_FEDEX ((SPF_SOFTFAIL ||

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Kevin A. McGrail
On 8/22/2012 8:33 PM, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header__LOCAL_FROM_FEDEXReturn-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i metaLOCAL_SPF_FEDEX((SPF_SOFTFAIL || SPF_FAIL)

Re: Rules Needed to verify bank fraud

2012-08-22 Thread Marc Perkel
On 8/22/2012 8:31 PM, Kevin A. McGrail wrote: On 8/22/2012 8:33 PM, Ned Slider wrote: So if I hit all mail claiming to be sent from fedex.com that fails SPF I can easily weed out all the fakes: # Fedex header__LOCAL_FROM_FEDEXReturn-Path:addr =~ /\@fedex\.com$/i meta