On 03/26/2015 11:27 AM, Niamh Holding wrote:
Hello Reindl,
Thursday, March 26, 2015, 10:20:15 AM, you wrote:
RH and everybody acting that way for mails which are not only his own
RH should refrain from maintain a mailserver because he is playing lottery
RH with other peolles communication
Am 26.03.2015 um 11:17 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 2:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 01:25 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:08:34 -0600
@lbutlr krem...@kreme.com wrote:
You can reject who you want in Germany too, you just can___t delete a
message that
Hello Reindl,
Thursday, March 26, 2015, 10:20:15 AM, you wrote:
RH and everybody acting that way for mails which are not only his own
RH should refrain from maintain a mailserver because he is playing lottery
RH with other peolles communication
What make you think you have the right to tell
On 3/26/2015 2:53 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 01:25 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:08:34 -0600
@lbutlr krem...@kreme.com wrote:
You can reject who you want in Germany too, you just can___t delete a
message that you___ve already accepted.
What does accepted
Am 26.03.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Niamh Holding:
Hello Reindl,
Thursday, March 26, 2015, 10:20:15 AM, you wrote:
RH and everybody acting that way for mails which are not only his own
RH should refrain from maintain a mailserver because he is playing lottery
RH with other peolles communication
From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2015 5:20 AM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: Spamassassin not catching spam (Follow-up)
Am 26.03.2015 um 11:17 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 2:53 AM, Reindl
Hello David,
Thursday, March 26, 2015, 10:56:36 AM, you wrote:
DJ I have never had customer ask to release a message that scored 2x
DJ above our block threshold or had a virus so these are definitely safe to
silent
DJ discard as long as local laws allow it.
Quite, and we can and do vary the
On 3/26/2015 7:09 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
To me, your recommend action makes you only worried about your tiny star
in the universe of mail servers and ignores the community responsibility
you have as
Am 26.03.2015 um 12:18 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
For example, in the scenario where server A sends a virus to your server
B, my opinion is that I have a duty to act to protect the public at
large and go this is a virus, send a dsn 200 and silently discard
and send the DSN to the forged sender
From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
been there short ago by receive 600 backscatters about messages i never sent
Hmmm. Maybe someone on this list was trying to send you a strong hint.
For the record, that wasn't me but it did sound like a good idea to prove
a point about backscatter.
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 11:36:36 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 11:27 schrieb Niamh Holding:
Hello Reindl,
Thursday, March 26, 2015, 10:20:15 AM, you wrote:
What make you think you have the right to tell me what's appropriate in
our setup?
Arrogant or
Am 26.03.2015 um 11:56 schrieb David Jones:
From: Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
And that is a silent discard. You are accepting responsibility for the
email, telling no one anything more and discarding it with out DSN/NDR
and everybody acting that way for mails which are not only
On 3/26/15, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 25.03.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Nick Edwards:
if i need to take the phone and ask the admin if a mail was discarded or
just not delivered at the moment the mailservice is shit
get into the real world, and there you go again someone does
On 3/26/2015 6:56 AM, David Jones wrote:
I do have the
occasional false positive but we quarantine everything and can release it as
needed. I have never had customer ask to release a message that scored 2x
above our block threshold or had a virus so these are definitely safe to silent
discard
Am 26.03.2015 um 11:58 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 6:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and everybody acting that way for mails which are not only his own
should refrain from maintain a mailserver because he is playing
lottery with other peolles communication
You are inherently entitled
On 3/26/2015 6:20 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
and everybody acting that way for mails which are not only his own
should refrain from maintain a mailserver because he is playing
lottery with other peolles communication
You are inherently entitled to your opinion but we will have to agree to
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 12:18:03 (EU time), Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
stop beating a dead horse, agree to disagree and let's move on.
Thanks :)
Antony.
--
I want to build a machine that will be proud of me.
- Danny Hillis, creator of The Connection Machine
Kevin,
On 26/03/15 11:18, Kevin A. McGrail wrote:
On 3/26/2015 7:09 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
To me, your recommend action makes you only worried about your tiny star
in the universe of mail servers and
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:13 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:02:19 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
Silent discard mail is mostly forbidden in the EU,
Is it? Could you perhaps point me to the EU directive stating this?
I'm sure there must be lots of qualifications
in
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 14:02:19 (EU time), Robert Schetterer wrote:
Silent discard mail is mostly forbidden in the EU, but
someone may do so with its own mail.
Does anyone here have any references to actual legislation, stating this?
I've seen several comments about this in this thread,
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:14:10 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for what is or isn't spammy content.
you stopped premature reading my repsonse - WHY?
look again at the X-Spam-Status header below
a
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:13 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:02:19 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
Silent discard mail is mostly forbidden in the EU,
Is it? Could you perhaps point me to the EU directive stating this?
I'm sure there must be lots of qualifications.
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:19:09 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Is it? Could you perhaps point me to the EU directive stating this?
I'm sure there must be lots of qualifications
in germany 2 years jail
It says: Whoever unlawfully deletes, modifies, suppresses...
You have
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:27 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:14:10 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for what is or isn't spammy content.
you stopped premature reading my repsonse - WHY?
Hi,
A followup:
1) has anyone been convicted under 303a StGB for suppressing email during
spam filtering?
2) How is rejecting with a 5xx code any less of a suppression of the
data than silently discarding with a 2xx code? In either case, the
recipient does not receive the mail. The fact that
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:29:01 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
As i wrote, there maybe exceptions, but in general
youre not allowed to silent discard any mail ( unless its your own ,
or its a virus )
Well, seeing as we have customers in the EU, I really would like to see
the text of
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:30 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:19:09 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Is it? Could you perhaps point me to the EU directive stating this?
I'm sure there must be lots of qualifications
in germany 2 years jail
It says: Whoever
On 3/26/2015 9:19 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:13 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:02:19 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
Silent discard mail is mostly forbidden in the EU,
Is it? Could you perhaps point me to the EU directive stating this?
I'm
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:33:08 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
boah - spamass-milter *rejects* above 8.0 points based on the header
What if one of the recipients is opted-out and has categorically stated
that he/she wants to receive every piece of email? Then you're
breaking
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:53:49 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
accepted means your SMTP sevrer responded with a 250 status code and
not with a 4x temporary or 5x permanent error aka rejected the message
No. Accepted means delivered to the end-user's mailbox.
As an analogy: I
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:36:36 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
What make you think you have the right to put a mail for a different
person to /dev/null without reject it proper and so sender nor RCPT
are aware?
People who sign up for our service do so knowing that we
On 3/26/15, David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:36:36 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
What make you think you have the right to put a mail for a different
person to /dev/null without reject it proper and so sender nor RCPT
are aware?
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:43 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a message that is...
1) Directed
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a message that is...
1) Directed to multiple recipients...
2) Some of which have
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:54 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Solve that problem, and then I agree with you. And saying well, don't
let different end-users have different settings is not a solution.
Neither is tempfail all recipients but the first so the message
is transmitted one time for each recipient.
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:40 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:36:36 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
What make you think you have the right to put a mail for a different
person to /dev/null without reject it proper and so sender nor RCPT
are aware?
People who
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:10 schrieb Nick Edwards:
On 3/26/15, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
bots have not learned from 55x messages EVER they dont care, they
never have they never will, they will resend their shit 50 times a
second without hesitation anyone whos been a mail admin for
On 3/26/15, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 13:10 schrieb Nick Edwards:
On 3/26/15, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
bots have not learned from 55x messages EVER they dont care, they
never have they never will, they will resend their shit 50 times a
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 13:54:45 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
1) Directed to multiple recipients...
the content is the same, reject it or not
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for what is or isn't spammy content.
the same way you
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:02:19 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
Silent discard mail is mostly forbidden in the EU,
Is it? Could you perhaps point me to the EU directive stating this?
I'm sure there must be lots of qualifications.
Regards,
David.
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:04 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 13:54:45 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
1) Directed to multiple recipients...
the content is the same, reject it or not
That is a non-solution. You are assuming all users have the same
criteria for
On 26/03/2015 23:34, David F. Skoll wrote:
Hi,
A followup:
1) has anyone been convicted under 303a StGB for suppressing email during
spam filtering?
I bet not :) Its likely a law introduced to stop anally retentive jerks
from having hissy fits and deleting other peoples data, thats
On 27/03/2015 12:23, Noel Butler wrote:
On 26/03/2015 23:42, David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:37:08 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
i have to show nothing after for nearly a decade most german IT
magazines had articles about that topic written by law
On 26/03/2015 23:42, David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:37:08 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
i have to show nothing after for nearly a decade most german IT
magazines had articles about that topic written by law experts
The only link I found written by a
On 26/03/15 13:47, Reindl Harald wrote:
that below was *one* message with two different recipients
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.1, tag-level=5.5, block-level=8.0
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1, tag-level=5.5, block-level=8.0
I hate to piss on your parade, but your example here is totally
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:39 schrieb David F. Skoll:
I find this discussion intriguing. The German law cited earlier also
forbids you from changing data (original German word verändert ---
did I get that right?)
It seems to me this could make subject tagging illegal. In fact, a rigid
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:55:27 -0400
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
If one of your customer domains has non-default settings, give them
their own IP address and a separate MX record pointing to that
address.
We filter more than 8000 domains. That is not feasible.
Regards,
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:34 schrieb David F. Skoll:
2) How is rejecting with a 5xx code any less of a suppression of the
data than silently discarding with a 2xx code?
* you write a mail
* your server get a 5xx reject from the destination
* your server generates a NDR and informs you
* you write
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:37:08 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
i have to show nothing after for nearly a decade most german IT
magazines had articles about that topic written by law experts
The only link I found written by a German law expert said that
the it may apply to spam
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:39:52 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* you write a mail
* your server get a 5xx reject from the destination
* your server generates a NDR and informs you
* you write a mail
* your server get a 200 repsonse
* the destination silent discards
you
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:37 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:33:08 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
boah - spamass-milter *rejects* above 8.0 points based on the header
What if one of the recipients is opted-out and has categorically stated
that he/she wants to
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:43 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:39:52 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* you write a mail
* your server get a 5xx reject from the destination
* your server generates a NDR and informs you
* you write a mail
* your server get a 200
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:36 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:29:01 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
As i wrote, there maybe exceptions, but in general
youre not allowed to silent discard any mail ( unless its your own ,
or its a virus )
Well, seeing as we have
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:47:16 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
i proved you that i can assign differnt scores to a single message
with more than one recipients *per recipient*
Assigning scores is passive. What do you do with the scored messages?
If all your users are content
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:53:26 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
he is not allowed to silent throw away a letter, but if he can't
deliver it it's sent back
can't deliver is different from won't deliver.
If you reject a message because you don't like its content, it's not
because
Am 26.03.2015 um 14:57 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:47:16 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
i proved you that i can assign differnt scores to a single message
with more than one recipients *per recipient*
Assigning scores is passive. What do you do with
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:54:07 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
Uff , why should i waste my time in telling you the untruth...
I took a look at the Heise article and Google Translate says:
]]] If action is taken in the delivery process, with the result that the
]]] message does not
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 11:55:27 -0400
Michael Orlitzky mich...@orlitzky.com wrote:
If one of your customer domains has non-default settings, give them
their own IP address and a separate MX record pointing to that
address.
On 26.03.15 12:54, David F. Skoll wrote:
We filter more than 8000
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:12:22 -0500 (CDT)
Dave Funk dbf...@engineering.uiowa.edu wrote:
If they are compatible you respond with a 250, if not with a 452 (or
other 45* type reply).
On 26.03.15 11:52, David F. Skoll wrote:
We looked at doing this. There are some serious downsides:
1) Some
On 26 Mar 2015, at 08:05 , David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:54:07 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
Uff , why should i waste my time in telling you the untruth...
I took a look at the Heise article and Google Translate says:
]]] If action
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 17:27:03 -0600
@lbutlr krem...@kreme.com wrote:
]]] If action is taken in the delivery process, with the result
that the ]]] message does not reach its goal, the e-mail is
suppressed.
How does that not apply to a 5xx reject?
Because a reject happens before the
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA256
On 26-03-15 17:28, Steve Freegard wrote:
On 26/03/15 13:47, Reindl Harald wrote:
that below was *one* message with two different recipients
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-10.1, tag-level=5.5, block-level=8.0
X-Spam-Status: No, score=-8.1,
On 25 Mar 2015, at 18:25 , David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:08:34 -0600
@lbutlr krem...@kreme.com wrote:
There is a difference between ___block___ and ___silently discard___.
Blocking is fine, silently discarding is just evil and should be
illegal
On 26/03/15 22:23, Tom Hendrikx wrote:
Your single message was delivered by two different hosts, with a
single recipient in each.
This is actually very logical because the recipients don't share the
same MX hosts or IP addresses.
*nod* - I'd missed that fact when I glanced over this
On 26 Mar 2015, at 06:38 , David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 07:53:49 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
accepted means your SMTP sevrer responded with a 250 status code and
not with a 4x temporary or 5x permanent error aka rejected the message
On 26 Mar 2015, at 06:43 , David F. Skoll d...@roaringpenguin.com wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100 Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net
wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a
Hello David,
Thursday, March 26, 2015, 12:25:30 AM, you wrote:
DFS that a message is either delivered
It is delivered to the appropriate place, it just happens that that place
is /dev/null
--
Best regards,
Niamhmailto:ni...@fullbore.co.uk
pgp63jipFQW2m.pgp
Am 26.03.2015 um 01:25 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Wed, 25 Mar 2015 16:08:34 -0600
@lbutlr krem...@kreme.com wrote:
You can reject who you want in Germany too, you just can___t delete a
message that you___ve already accepted.
What does accepted mean? Redirecting a message to /dev/null means
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:45:07 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
boah postfix responds with a postfix/cleanup[21827]: 3lCS043tlCz1l:
milter-reject: END-OF-MESSAGE to the delivering client and the
server on the other side generates a bounce containing the reject
message
So then
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
1) Accept mail for some recipients
2) Reject mail for others
3) Without
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:08 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
i explained it multiple
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:05 schrieb David F. Skoll:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 14:54:07 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
Uff , why should i waste my time in telling you the untruth...
I took a look at the Heise article and Google Translate says:
]]] If action is taken in the delivery
I find this discussion intriguing. The German law cited earlier also
forbids you from changing data (original German word verändert ---
did I get that right?)
It seems to me this could make subject tagging illegal. In fact, a rigid
interpretation could make SMTP illegal since you add a
On 3/26/2015 9:54 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
so again , there are exceptions, but in general you are not allowed
to silent discard mail in germany.
Unless there are MASSIVE translation issues, the answer is exactly what
DFS proposed: consent from the users of the system.
From
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:58 schrieb Antony Stone:
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:55:52 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
Surely this message is backscatter, though?
It's being sent to the (apparent) sender, in response to a message which
you know is
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:55:52 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
Surely this message is backscatter, though?
It's being sent to the (apparent) sender, in response to a message which
you know is identified as spam
NOT IT IS NOT A
On 3/26/2015 11:23 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:03 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 9:54 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
so again , there are exceptions, but in general you are not allowed
to silent discard mail in germany.
Unless there are MASSIVE translation issues,
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:45:07 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
ad...@rhsoft.net
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was rejected by the server
for the recipient domain
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:55 schrieb Reindl Harald:
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:45:07 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
ad...@rhsoft.net
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google
On 03/26/2015 08:43 AM, David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 12:09:58 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
why in the world would a reject *before queue* trigger a backscatter
or bounce on my side?
How do you do before-queue rejection of a message that is...
1)
Am 26.03.2015 um 15:52 schrieb Antony Stone:
On Thursday 26 March 2015 at 15:45:07 (EU time), Reindl Harald wrote:
Delivery to the following recipient failed permanently:
ad...@rhsoft.net
Technical details of permanent failure:
Google tried to deliver your message, but it was
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015, Kris Deugau wrote:
David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
1) Accept
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:03 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 9:54 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
so again , there are exceptions, but in general you are not allowed
to silent discard mail in germany.
Unless there are MASSIVE translation issues, the answer is exactly what
DFS proposed: consent
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:39 schrieb David F. Skoll:
I find this discussion intriguing. The German law cited earlier also
forbids you from changing data (original German word verändert ---
did I get that right?)
It seems to me this could make subject tagging illegal. In fact, a rigid
David F. Skoll wrote:
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:05:06 +0100
Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
* spamass-milter -r 8.0
* messages above 8.0 are *rejected*
Silently? Or do you generate an NDR? I'm genuinely curious as to how you:
1) Accept mail for some recipients
2) Reject
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 15:57:14 +0100
Robert Schetterer r...@sys4.de wrote:
David, reject means your server dont take a mail, the sender
mailserver may bounce it back, after some time , its not your job to
take care of that.
Yes, I'm pretty sure I understand the difference between reject and
On 3/26/2015 11:11 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
what he describes is not backscatter, cause the mail is rejected during
smtp imcome stage, wich means the server simply didnt take the mail
during the running smtp session,
This argument to me assumes that their isn't a server in the middle of
the
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:19 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 11:11 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
what he describes is not backscatter, cause the mail is rejected during
smtp imcome stage, wich means the server simply didnt take the mail
during the running smtp session,
This argument to me
Am 26.03.2015 um 16:19 schrieb Kevin A. McGrail:
On 3/26/2015 11:11 AM, Robert Schetterer wrote:
what he describes is not backscatter, cause the mail is rejected during
smtp imcome stage, wich means the server simply didnt take the mail
during the running smtp session,
This argument to me
On Thu, 26 Mar 2015 10:12:22 -0500 (CDT)
Dave Funk dbf...@engineering.uiowa.edu wrote:
If they are compatible you respond with a 250, if not with a 452 (or
other 45* type reply).
We looked at doing this. There are some serious downsides:
1) Some senders (for example, mailing list tools) send
Hello Reindl,
Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 11:40:39 PM, you wrote:
RH you are not allowed to silent discard mail
Could you please quote the relevant section of UK law which pertains?
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Am 25.03.2015 um 10:45 schrieb Niamh Holding:
Hello Reindl,
Tuesday, March 24, 2015, 11:40:39 PM, you wrote:
RH you are not allowed to silent discard mail
Could you please quote the relevant section of UK law which pertains?
i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed
Hello Reindl,
Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote:
RH i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed
RH because it's legally classified identical to a postman says meh i don't
RH walk to go upstairs today and throw the letter away
RH if you pretend to provide
Am 25.03.2015 um 11:17 schrieb Niamh Holding:
Hello Reindl,
Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote:
RH i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed
RH because it's legally classified identical to a postman says meh i don't
RH walk to go upstairs today and throw
On Tue, 24 Mar 2015 14:10:48 -0500
Lorenzo Thurman wrote:
I contacted the list a couple of weeks ago about SA not missing a lot
of spam I thought it should be catching. There duplicates of message
that I had put through sa-learn, that were still getting passed. One
of the suggestions offered
Am 25.03.2015 um 14:56 schrieb Nick Edwards:
if i need to take the phone and ask the admin if a mail was discarded or
just not delivered at the moment the mailservice is shit
get into the real world, and there you go again someone does different
than reindl does so they must be shit. jesus
On 3/25/15, Niamh Holding ni...@fullbore.co.uk wrote:
Hello Reindl,
Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote:
RH i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed
RH because it's legally classified identical to a postman says meh i don't
RH walk to go upstairs
Am 25.03.2015 um 13:34 schrieb Nick Edwards:
It only applies to German based providers, located in Germany, serving Germany.
A similar rule applies in Sweden too, and there are exceptions.
I can reject who or what I want
well, start with understand the difference between reject and discard
On 3/25/15, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
Am 25.03.2015 um 11:17 schrieb Niamh Holding:
Hello Reindl,
Wednesday, March 25, 2015, 9:51:48 AM, you wrote:
RH i don't know the UK laws but in germany it's for sure not allowed
RH because it's legally classified identical to a
Am 25.03.2015 um 13:39 schrieb Nick Edwards:
On 3/25/15, Reindl Harald h.rei...@thelounge.net wrote:
that game is over at the moment you got a complaint from the sender
proving you MX has responded with 250 OK and the message was never
delivered - that is *not* how SMTP is designed to work
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