Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-21 Thread Michael Grant via users
On Mon, Feb 20, 2023 at 01:30:15PM -0800, Loren Wilton wrote: > This is a home system with only a few users. All users have "Spam" and "Ham" > folders showing up in their email program of choice, and they just drag > messages they do or don't like into the appropriate folders. There are >

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-20 Thread Loren Wilton
From: "Reindl Harald" in other words a system for morons - morons which will drag mails to spam instead click on "unsubscribe" per-user bayes don't work well, never Well Harald, you are certainly welcome to your opinion. It would be nicer if you had kept it yourself though. The system

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-20 Thread Loren Wilton
the new spam and ham (respectively) get merged into these folders after learning, and removed from the current Spam and Ham folders. - Original Message - From: Michael Grant To: users@spamassassin.apache.org ; Loren Wilton ; hg user Sent: Monday, February 20, 2023 12:47 PM

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-20 Thread Michael Grant via users
On 20 February 2023 12:28:00 CET, Loren Wilton wrote: > > A cron job that will harvest Spam and Ham mboxes and feed them to sa-learn > once a day, then archive the learned messages. Per-user bayes and learning. > Mail is hand-moved into the spam and ham learning folders, and for my > personal

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-20 Thread Loren Wilton
> Can you please give me some details on your bayes setup? > Headers exclusion, bayes_token_sources, how do you "sa-learn" messages... Standard options on Bayes. No autolearn. A cron job that will harvest Spam and Ham mboxes and feed them to sa-learn once a day, then archive the learned

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-19 Thread hg user
Can you please give me some details on your bayes setup? Headers exclusion, bayes_token_sources, how do you "sa-learn" messages... thank you On Sun, Feb 19, 2023 at 11:53 PM Loren Wilton wrote: > > The real question is: has bayes still its use case in 2023 ? Is it still > used with important

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-19 Thread Loren Wilton
> The real question is: has bayes still its use case in 2023 ? Is it still used > with important scores or just to flag messages for a review? It works fine for me here.

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-19 Thread hg user
> > > bayes_token_sources none visible uri mimepart > I added this line to my config with no changes in the tokens used to sum the bayes score, headers still used. It may be a command only recognized during learning but I should check the sources. > perhaps OP has bayes_token_sources setting

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-16 Thread Matija Nalis
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 01:02:25PM +0200, Henrik K wrote: > On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:18:50AM +0100, hg user wrote: > > Every score is based on headers, very generic headers. and some > > related to my setup. > > > > Not a single token from the message body > > The Bayes implementation has

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-16 Thread Axb
I've updated 23_bayes_ignore_header.cf (last update was from 2016 :) https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/spamassassin/trunk/rulesrc/sandbox/axb/23_bayes_ignore_header.cf Axb On 2/16/23 14:17, Dave Wreski wrote: Here's also another 50+ headers we've collected over the years that I believe started

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-16 Thread Dave Wreski
Hi, Here's also another 50+ headers we've collected over the years that I believe started as a list from AXB 10+ years ago. https://pastebin.com/raw/f6Fwh8HJ dave On 2/16/23 6:02 AM, Henrik K wrote: On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:18:50AM +0100, hg user wrote: I was investigating a bunch of

Re: Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-16 Thread Henrik K
On Thu, Feb 16, 2023 at 10:18:50AM +0100, hg user wrote: > I was investigating a bunch of bitcoin spam: different titles, > different senders (all from gmail), different text, different pdf > attachment. > > Unfortunately in those days my bayes db was polluted and they all got > a BAYES_50, 0.8.

Strange findings debugging bayes results

2023-02-16 Thread hg user
I was investigating a bunch of bitcoin spam: different titles, different senders (all from gmail), different text, different pdf attachment. Unfortunately in those days my bayes db was polluted and they all got a BAYES_50, 0.8. I tested the messages now with a recreated bayes db and got some