Mark, can you *please* stop sending HTML-only messages to the list?
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I just built and make tested the beta of SA 3.3 with good success and
wanted to build the rpm from it now. I get an error:
error: line 38: Illegal char '-' in version: Version: 3.3.0-beta1
Seems that Version: %{version} doesn't like hyphens.
What's the best way to overcome this? Change to _ for
Daniel J McDonald wrote on Tue, 15 Dec 2009 07:57:58 -0600:
or alpha characters of any sort.
Yeah, found this out a few minutes later. Removed that alltogether and
built with %define real_version 3.3.0 which gives me an rpm with 1 as the
release version. Upping this with --define 'release=n'
Yet Another Ninja wrote on Tue, 15 Dec 2009 16:37:35 +0100:
even using site wide, autolearning will help your detection a LOT.
Definitely. Been using site-wide for all my servers for years. No
problems.
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Marc Perkel wrote on Tue, 15 Dec 2009 08:22:44 -0800:
Get a modern email client.
Please stop responding like an asshole. This is not a matter about my
email client but about *you* configuring *your* email client incorrectly!
Please configure your email client correctly! Thank you.
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Charles Gregory wrote on Tue, 15 Dec 2009 12:12:41 -0500 (EST):
I imagine this same thinking applies to any number of people using a
'basic' mail client and not bothering to 'sort' mail into alternate
delivery folders which they must then 'remember' to read.
If you don't sort away
Warren Togami wrote on Wed, 16 Dec 2009 18:12:05 -0500:
All bugs targeted for 3.3.0.
When reviewing this list and playing around I found that there are 22 bugs
for milestone 3.2.6. Shouldn't these get reviewed and promoted to 3.3.0 if
still valid?
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Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote on Thu, 17 Dec 2009 13:28:48 -0500:
early this morning.
BTW, I was already getting this temporarily when trying to run the first
sa-update for SA 3.3.0 beta1 a few days ago.
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Rajkumar S wrote on Fri, 18 Dec 2009 10:56:46 +0530:
Is the file format of bayes db available some where?
dbm, gdbm ...
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Marc Patermann wrote on Fri, 18 Dec 2009 12:21:21 +0100:
When I try to test with an entry from a today's list, i get no result:
(http://www.kloth.net/services/nslookup.php)
That's a flaw in that service. I get 127.0.0.2.
Isn't the OFD able to provide spam-free mail?
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Warren, for the next releases until RTM, can we keep the spamassassin.spec
at real_version 3.0.0 instead of adding the release type? I usually do a
full make and make test run, but then build an rpm and install that. If
the real_version contains non-digits other than a dot that fails, so each
Mark Martinec wrote on Tue, 22 Dec 2009 12:00:40 +0100:
Just stick to the latest, when in doubt.
The 0.13.5 works fine, it fixes some segfaults over previous versions.
Runs here as well. With 3.2.5 and with 3.3.0.
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I think this rule should just be put to rest. According to my stats it
hits 100% spam, but there's only very very few of it. Thus it doesn't add
any real value over other rules, especially when one takes into account
that there are already other rules hitting on time in the (near) future.
Thomas Harold wrote on Fri, 01 Jan 2010 10:04:42 -0500:
score FH_DATE_PAST_20XX 0.001
set to 0, there's no reason to have this evaluated at all.
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Charles Gregory wrote on Fri, 1 Jan 2010 09:50:24 -0500 (EST):
I speak for the unguessable number of people who have installed a
'standard' 3.2.x install with their linux variant, and don't monitor
closely, or watch this list. Some of them, we can hope, will have
'sa-update' running in
you may get this error from time to time, which is not a problem per se.
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Cmvhk wrote on Tue, 5 Jan 2010 07:19:15 -0800 (PST):
2.0 LOCAL_BODY_CIALIS BODY: Mentions viagra clone 'cialis'
Sure, that this rule is part of standard SA? I can't find it in 3.2.5 or
3.3.0.
Apart from this, if that message came out as spam with these additional 2
points it must have
There's always a document about updating from the various old versions,
read it and you will be prepared for most problems. But your SA is
*really* old, expect some minor config problems.
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Terry Carmen wrote on Wed, 06 Jan 2010 13:23:28 -0500:
How/where is this turned on in amavisd-new-2.6.4?
I'd be happy to get rid of useless instances of spamd
This has nothing to do with amavis. spamd is a separate daemon that *you*
enabled. As you don't seem to know this: are you sure that
Jdow wrote on Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:37:49 -0800:
I've never received any and I am a member. Every invite has been from
somebody with a solid connection to me.
Well, they seem to provide an option to upload your whole addressbook. And
some email applications have an option to add every incoming
Charles Gregory wrote on Wed, 6 Jan 2010 12:20:33 -0500 (EST):
Because I was getting several M$ Outhouse correspondents complaining that
my messages (using the 'standard' '') were 'difficult to read'.
I could never get them to explain exactly how/why they were difficult to
read. It was like
Jdow wrote on Wed, 6 Jan 2010 10:40:14 -0800:
Actually, Charles, this is a VERY good reason I'd use to justify changing
my quote character to something goofy like % or # or even ; just to annoy
the anal retentive types.
First, to clarify, it was Charles who sent this to the list, not me.
rp wrote on Thu, 07 Jan 2010 09:07:17 -0800:
Anyone else having this problem?
You should have read the list or googled first.
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Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Sat, 9 Jan 2010 12:31:26 +0100:
you have changed WHAT???
He means he uses procmail and used to send all spam to /dev/null.
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Folks, can you please report this to these lists. This mailing list is
*not* for reporting FPs on RBLs! Thanks.
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scores these new tests on 3.3.0
* 1.0 FORGED_TBIRD_IMG_SIZE Likely forged Thunderbird image spam
* 1.0 FORGED_TBIRD_IMG_ARROW Likely forged Thunderbird image spam
and you could add, say 4.0, for each mail coming thru your SF.net alias
and not coming from SF.
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Rich Shepard wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 08:07:40 -0800 (PST):
In /etc/mail/spamassassin/rules/ I have init.pre, v310.pre, and
v312.pre files.
which would be a non-default location.
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LuKreme wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 13:14:06 -0700:
I never subscribed to the list in question. I am, in fact, not
subscribed to any googlelists on this account.
Report the abuse to Google and reject any mail from
@listserv.bounces.google.com
So, Google allows non-opt-in mailing lists like
Terry Carmen wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:08:16 -0500:
Unless you changed the headers, it looks like it came from an IP with no
reverse DNS entry.
Yeah, his own delivery chain. Not really a candidate for blocking ;-)
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Ted Mittelstaedt wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 09:42:25 -0800:
This is the WRONG way to do this
It's the right way. The FP rate is almost zero and it encourages the few
offending ones to quickly add rDNS, really quick.
* The reason this is NOT mandated anywhere is because if it was then
sites
How come that you messed this up with regards to that arbitrary rules
directory?
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Alex wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 12:38:29 -0500:
Just to clarify, you're referring to this, right:
Received: from mx.sourceforge.net by mailsrv1.trimble.co.nz
(envelope-from f...@ef-
How would add the rule you are suggesting? It would be specific to
sourceforge.net, and have a table where
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 15:27:07 -0800:
It simply means that sites WITHOUT a PTR are still fully compliant mailers.
This has nothing to do with RFC-compliance, but with policy, well accepted
policy. If you can't understand that I can't help. No need to shoot this out.
Kai
Ted, sorry, but your case is lost (since long, look around) and I won't
bite in such an off-topic discussion here. Please stop telling others that
refusing to accept mail from non-rDNS machines is incorrect. If you
*prefer* to handle this at SA level, that's your choice and you can tell
that.
Callum Millard wrote on Tue, 12 Jan 2010 18:17:44 +:
Postfix
Postfix? Easy.
smtpd_sender_restrictions = permit_mynetworks, permit_sasl_authenticated,
check_recipient_access hash:/etc/mail/allow_recipients,
reject_non_fqdn_sender, reject_unknown_sender_domain, check_sender_access
Mike Cardwell wrote on Tue, 12 Jan 2010 20:22:44 +:
It handles remote
content like images and CSS fine
tip: I would not handle remote content at all as this may lead to account
verification.
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In the latter case, you can use the suggested check
for domains,
It doesn't matter which other mail servers the clients use.
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geoff.spamassass...@alphaworks.co.uk wrote on Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:59:11
+:
I'm using SA 3.2.5 and sa-update but SA doesn't seem to be picking rules
up from /var/lib/spamassassin/
Well, you listed a lot, but not any proof for what you think it *seems* not
to do.
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Skaz wrote on Wed, 13 Jan 2010 08:54:58 -0800 (PST):
However
I will need to drop that restriction once I set up external mail access
what is external mail access ?
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Tonjg wrote on Wed, 13 Jan 2010 11:22:00 -0800 (PST):
Note: I don't want to delete them or divert them to another folder, I'd like
to reject them in the same way the dnsbl lists do.
SA does not do this for you. You would need to use some milter or so.
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Tonjg wrote on Wed, 13 Jan 2010 13:57:53 -0800 (PST):
yes thanks bowie I've managed to integrate SA into sendmail as per the link
you gave but that page has no instructions for how to get sendmail to reject
the spam.
Then look in the documentation for that unknown tool that you used to
Mike Wallace wrote on Wed, 13 Jan 2010 14:39:13 -0500:
I do this but it only works for rejecting a forged envelope. It doesn't
work if it's only a forged From header which the example shows.
Yes, it doesn't work if only the From is forged. You could compare To and
From in SA and disallow if
Indeed, and that is why I asked what he means with this. This scenario is
already taken care of in that config line.
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Skaz wrote on Thu, 14 Jan 2010 04:49:55 -0800 (PST):
1) Kai, yes external mail as in mail (sending or receiving) originating
external to our network in terms of IP, not physically. When I think on it
though, I'll just insist we use RDP or VPN for access when I set it up.
Still not clear
LuKreme wrote on Thu, 14 Jan 2010 06:31:48 -0700:
I've always been hesitant to try
running SA during the transaction because I was afraid it would take
too long.
Indeed, that's why I would not consider it. And I assume if you do it this
way that also means you have to scan *every* message
Thomas Casartello wrote on Sun, 17 Jan 2010 12:47:44 -0500:
spamassassin-3.3.0-0.26.rc1
That seems to be coming from Fedora/Rawhide? If so, I'd inquire there as
well.
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Tonjg wrote on Sun, 17 Jan 2010 11:57:45 -0800 (PST):
thanks but in what file would it show this instruction?
I looked in procmailrc, local.cf and 23_bayes.cf - couldn't find anything
which told me whether bayes was enabled or disabled.
local.cf, if you don't put it in, it won't be there, of
Thomas Casartello wrote on Sun, 17 Jan 2010 14:33:35 -0500:
Yes it happened immediately after upgrading to Fedora 12. I just inquired
there about this.
Yeah. Nobody really knows when this rpm was done, it may contain a bug
that's already fixed. It's also possible there's some issue with the
Tonjg wrote on Sun, 17 Jan 2010 13:01:14 -0800 (PST):
use_bayes ( 0 | 1 ) (default: 1)
which I think means that even if it's not present in local.cf it's enabled,
correct me if I'm wrong.
correct. So, this link gave you the answer, right?
But, as I wrote, if you don't add it it won't be
Thomas Casartello wrote on Sun, 17 Jan 2010 15:53:38 -0500:
Tried the rC3 unofficial version. Same issue.
I think you should then file a bug report at
https://issues.apache.org/SpamAssassin/
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Warren Togami wrote on Mon, 11 Jan 2010 10:32:15 -0500:
This is a reminder that the 3.3.0 final cut is scheduled for Friday,
January 15th.
It seems you forgot to announce RC3, or did I overlook it here?
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Mamalos wrote on Mon, 18 Jan 2010 10:01:53 -0800 (PST):
and at least one of the
Greek words is not capitalized,
Greek? In a subject? Encoded, unencoded?
I assume that through this list, someone who is an editor of
these rulesets may be informed and correct this misbehavior.
You can submit
Mamalos wrote on Tue, 19 Jan 2010 01:11:49 -0800 (PST):
The mail is encoded as well as the subject. Here is an example:
Yeah, and they are lower-case, I see.
So, where should I report this bug?
I think the problem here is determination of capital/non-capital letters in
other scripts than
Mamalos wrote on Tue, 19 Jan 2010 05:19:30 -0800 (PST):
$subject =~ s/[^a-zA-Z]//g; # only look at letters
The relevant part seems to be this. It removes all other characters
(i9ncluding the Greek ones). As I said, it's hard to determine capitals
for each and every language. So,
I suggest you read the homepage: http://spamassassin.apache.org/
If this didn't help you, then please give more details about how you use
SA and what you did to correct the problem.
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Robert Ober wrote on Tue, 19 Jan 2010 09:19:57 -0600:
score FH-DATE-PAST-20XX 0.0
which is wrong, the rule has underscores. Read the article on
http://spamassassin.apache.org/
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Charles Gregory wrote on Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:55:56 -0500 (EST):
Yup. Lazy. Fixed now. Thanks.
Thank you, Charles. This makes really a difference for those of us who use
a client that can apply different appearance to quoted text. Thanks,
again!
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LuKreme wrote on Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:30:28 -0700:
Where do you specify the name of the database to use?
bayes_sql_dsn
why not check documentation?
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This is an SARE rule, I suggest you ask there.
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Ned Slider wrote on Tue, 26 Jan 2010 08:16:47 +:
Indeed. If your domain (jidanni.org) is in fact on a static IP then you
need to get your ISP to update the PTR record to reflect this.
Well, on closer look it appears that he's using a smarthost. So, there's
no need for another rDNS for
Warren Togami wrote on Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:15:23 -0500:
Huh? Aren't we supposed to be telling people to stop using SARE?
Isn't that a given? The point was that I don't see a reason to ask here
about this. It's deprecated and it's not part of SA.
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Michael Scheidell wrote on Tue, 26 Jan 2010 06:56:04 -0500:
if you don't follow the RFC's, you have no reason to complain if people
who DO follow the RFC's block your email.
There is no RFC requiring back and forward resolution to match. I think
there's not even a requirement for an rDNS,
That seems to be identical with the rc4 version that Justin offered for
last testing on Jan 21, right? I've been running it since then with no
problems.
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Charles Gregory wrote on Tue, 26 Jan 2010 14:10:51 -0500 (EST):
Anyone know where to find a RHEL(CentOS) 4 rpm?
Or will it appear in the CentOS 4 official update channels in due time?
Just do yourself. Follow the instructions on the download page, it's a
*one liner* !
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Jdow wrote on Tue, 26 Jan 2010 19:07:14 -0800:
And it has this disgraceful habit. It works.
You are special, anyway.
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jida...@jidanni.org wrote on Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:12:11 +0800:
So what should a Taiwan user (Taiwan~=Hinet)
HINET: Control of approx 8,476,149 IP addresses
http://www.fixedorbit.com/AS/3/AS3462.htm
user do. Buy a SMTP account with a US Company?
I told you what you can do.
Apart from
Ed Kasky wrote on Tue, 26 Jan 2010 22:30:23 -0800:
FuzzyOcr
is it mentioned in the release notes? check back with the author of this
plugin if it is compatible with 3.3.0
Also - is anyone else getting a lot of warning: score set for
non-existent rule errors? I ran sa-update after teand
KÄrlis Repsons wrote on Wed, 27 Jan 2010 14:02:40 +:
The question, which bothers me is about Bayes data size. How much is a
typical
size of those data
depends.
and what mechanisms are there to limit growing of it?
it's all documented
Can
mysql be used for storage
that is also
Matus UHLAR - fantomas wrote on Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:10:48 +0100:
because his mail can be tagged as spam?
Not largely a problem. Did you look at the mailing list conversation he linked
to? It seems he's actively telling the mailing list owner how to tune SA and
reduce the required score to 2
John Wilcock wrote on Wed, 27 Jan 2010 15:27:17 +0100:
Me too... 463 of them, to be exact.
Do you want to say that you changed the score of 463 rules?
However, these two files don't seem to exist in
/var/lib/spamassassin/3.003000/updates_spamassassin_org/
Indeed, that's why you are getting
so what?
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John Wilcock wrote on Wed, 27 Jan 2010 17:43:56 +0100:
someone forgot to include 72_active.cf and 80_additional.cf in the
sa-update files.
Now I understand. However, why am I not getting these warnings with a
spamassassin --lint?
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Spamassassin List wrote on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 16:24:27 +0800:
So how do I stop using sare or openprotect?
remove the rules?
remove the channels?
I suppose you know if you use them or not, do you?
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John Wilcock wrote on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 08:31:07 +0100:
Presumably because you didn't run sa-update while the ruleset was
missing from the update...
Hm, it *is* missing. But maybe not from the compiled rules, well.
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jida...@jidanni.org wrote on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 09:34:46 +0800:
thanks to you guys and no one else.
Boy, *you* have a problem, and this is not with SA, get some help, good
bye. Please stop further spamming this list with your garbage.
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Spamassassin List wrote on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 18:38:21 +0800:
I had remove the sa-update
from my crontab.
You have to keep using sa-update! Just not these channels!
Do I need to remove all those dostech_net.cf
files?
Of course. You have to remove everything from
Charles Gregory wrote on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 11:08:24 -0500 (EST):
Firstly, let's all acknowledge that the OP cross-posted to/from the SARE
mailing list, and continues to do so.
He should not have done this and most of us probably didn't notice it. He
should just stop doing so and stay on the
R-Elists wrote on Thu, 28 Jan 2010 07:41:23 -0800:
by this website are you saying that we should only stop using SARE and
OpenProtect on 3.3.0 and later...
or are you saying that some of the SARE rules were put into 3.2.5 ???
Just try it out. You will find that the detection rate without
please stop spamming this list with this explitive deleted any longer,
thanks. If you have grieve take it up with the folks how are responsible,
that is the folks *using* the rules and *making* the rules.
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Ralph Bornefeld-Ettmann wrote on Sat, 30 Jan 2010 02:56:34 +0100:
it should be enough to rebuild table bayes_global_vars.
He isn't using SQL it seems.
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R-Elists wrote on Fri, 29 Jan 2010 11:56:22 -0800:
i appreciate your input, yet i really wanted Warren to answer for his blog
post on it in specific terms related to SA
i can handle absolutes pretty easy...
if we shouldnt use SARE with 3.3.x, no prob.
How long have you been following
Reading at least a few of the latest messages helps reduce postings about
duplicate issues.
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Thanks for this info and good idea about this meta rule!
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Christoph Lehmann wrote on Thu, 04 Feb 2010 22:57:09 +0100:
is there a simple way to stop further checks after achieving a specified
number of points?
search the documentation for shortcircuit. However, be aware that this may
lead to more false positives. SA is not a spam detector, it is a
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote on Tue, 09 Feb 2010 12:58:01 -0800:
Our SA installation
is correctly tagging this as spam and sending it forward
to the user.
Well, the usual procedure (*) is to add headers that identify the message
as spam and maybe even show the score, so users can have the mail
Ted Mittelstaedt wrote on Tue, 09 Feb 2010 14:56:49 -0800:
MISSING_SUBJECT,
Now, why the message that SA is creating is getting TWO Subject: lines
is a different question.
because SA thinks it's got no subject, so it adds one as it is instructed
to tag the subject. Obviously, it wants to
Mbeis wrote on Sun, 14 Feb 2010 13:19:44 -0800 (PST):
It seems that I have to run sa-update first in order for SA to work. But
sa-update exits with an error too, sa-update -D gives:
I think I have seen a few messages over this weekend about update
problems. There must have been/be some server
Noel Butler wrote on Mon, 15 Feb 2010 07:33:38 +1000:
Replacing the old /var/lib setting (which has worked for best part of a
decade) with /var/lib/spamassassin resolved this (and it seems other)
issues.
Well, compare default settings on
dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote on Sun, 14 Feb 2010 20:06:56 -0500:
Please let me know if there is some evidence I'm missing that it's
reasonable to use an underscore in this context.
Underscores are explicitly forbidden in internet hostnames.
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Smfabac wrote on Mon, 15 Feb 2010 00:20:06 -0800 (PST):
So, does the documentation on sa-learn indicate that there is
a size limit on the message to be processed?
Why not check yourself?
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Maybe just timed out?
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I get a weird Bayes result on one of my machines. It tells me there are
too few tokens, although it should have much more than enough.
SA 3.2.4, Bayes on local db.
[29963] dbg: bayes: DB journal sync: last sync: 1215920690
[29963] dbg: bayes: corpus size: nspam = 62748, nham = 42637
[29963]
Theo Van Dinter wrote on Sun, 13 Jul 2008 12:24:29 -0400:
This means there weren't enough tokens in the message.
Thanks, Theo, for the quick answer.
Ok, false alarm? I used a real message and now I get Bayes and a score.
BUT:
I ran the lint under 3.2.4 on two different machines. The first
WFGB Team wrote on Sat, 3 Jun 2006 23:22:07 -0400 (Eastern Daylight Time):
PLEASE STOP SENDING PICTURES AND HTML TO THE LIST.
0.8 EXTRA_MPART_TYPE Header has extraneous Content-type:...type= entry
0.1 HTML_TAG_EXIST_TBODY BODY: HTML has tbody tag
1.0 HTML_IMAGE_ONLY_28 BODY:
Yossim wrote on Mon, 5 Jun 2006 03:12:33 -0700 (PDT):
Where i disable the dns testing? i did not find any setting in the local.cf
Only disable it after you verified that your first ns is working! If it is not,
then remove it from your resolv.conf - maybe it's just plain wrong!
For SA you use
Theo Van Dinter wrote on Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:13:09 -0400:
Downloads are available from:
http://spamassassin.apache.org/downloads.cgi?update=200606050750
still lists 3.1.2.
btw, there's also no mention of 3.0.x versions on that page
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Theo Van Dinter wrote on Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:33:52 -0400:
Yeah, the page is taking a little bit to mirror out.
Ok, I see. I guessed you send it out only once it's up everywhere. BTW, it
seems a simple http://spamassassin.apache.org/downloads.cgi results in the
same output than using the
Theo Van Dinter wrote on Mon, 5 Jun 2006 12:42:13 -0400:
btw, spamassassin --lint -D uridnsbl will just output the uridnsbl
stuff. :)
Thanks for the info, Theo!
Kai
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