RE: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-27 Thread Dmitry Leskov
Users List Subject: RE: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Good points all around. We had the same issues with our CEO worrying about copies of the app being passed around when we started targeting markets where piracy is fairly common. Eventually, we convinced

Re: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-27 Thread André Warnier
Janner [SMTP:jeffrey.jan...@polydyne.com] Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2010 12:09 AM To: Tomcat Users List; Tomcat Users List Subject:RE: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Good points all around. We had the same issues with our CEO worrying about copies of the app

RE: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-27 Thread Dmitry Leskov
To:Tomcat Users List; Tomcat Users List Subject: RE: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Good points all around. We had the same issues with our CEO worrying about copies of the app being passed around when we started targeting markets where piracy is fairly

RE: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-25 Thread Jeffrey Janner
- From: André Warnier [mailto:a...@ice-sa.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 4:56 PM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Re: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Jeffrey Janner wrote: André - Welcome to the world of small business, for-profit software development

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-22 Thread Kranti™ K K Parisa
Hi, Thanks for the info I shall take a look at the new licensing link you have sent. Best Regards, Kranti K K Parisa On Fri, Jan 22, 2010 at 11:17 AM, Dmitry Leskov dles...@excelsior-usa.comwrote: To list owner: I am not sure if vendors are prohibited from posting comments to this list, if

Re: [OT] Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-22 Thread Mark H. Wood
On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 03:02:41PM +, Peter Crowther wrote: 2010/1/21 Mark H. Wood mw...@iupui.edu Reverse engineering is not a technical problem; it is a legal problem. You need a lawyer, not a program. Mmm, yes and no. Burglary is also a legal problem, but I have locks (on /

Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Kranti™ K K Parisa
Hi, Can anyone throw some light on this topic, seems it is possible to convert the tomcat+tomcat web applications to native code to secure them and further to run them on client machines easily. Please check this. http://www.excelsior-usa.com/jetinternals.html How could we achieve this without

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Do you develop web applications and deliver them to the client, so that they can install your applications on their machines without your access to the machine? Leon 2010/1/21 Kranti™ K K Parisa kranti.par...@gmail.com: Hi, Can anyone throw some light on this topic, seems it is possible to

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Peter Crowther
2010/1/21 Kranti™ K K Parisa kranti.par...@gmail.com Hi, Can anyone throw some light on this topic, seems it is possible to convert the tomcat+tomcat web applications to native code to secure them and further to run them on client machines easily. Please check this.

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread André Warnier
Kranti™ K K Parisa wrote: Hi, Can anyone throw some light on this topic, seems it is possible to convert the tomcat+tomcat web applications to native code to secure them and further to run them on client machines easily. Please check this. http://www.excelsior-usa.com/jetinternals.html How

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread André Warnier
Peter Crowther wrote: 2010/1/21 Kranti™ K K Parisa kranti.par...@gmail.com How could we achieve this without the above tool? Because the pricing of the above tool is very costly. Well, you could always spend the developer-years to create your own version of that tool... which would probably

RE: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Joseph Morgan
http://proguard.sourceforge.net/ -Original Message- From: Kranti(tm) K K Parisa [mailto:kranti.par...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:05 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Hi, Can anyone throw some light on this topic

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread David kerber
Joseph Morgan wrote: http://proguard.sourceforge.net/ -Original Message- From: Kranti(tm) K K Parisa [mailto:kranti.par...@gmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 21, 2010 5:05 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Hi, Can anyone throw

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Mark H. Wood
Reverse engineering is not a technical problem; it is a legal problem. You need a lawyer, not a program. -- Mark H. Wood, Lead System Programmer mw...@iupui.edu Friends don't let friends publish revisable-form documents. pgpRmc02QIJYG.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Kranti™ K K Parisa
Hi Leon, That's correct. we develop and deploy on client machines. but we want to secure the code. please suggest. Best Regards, Kranti K K Parisa On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 4:45 PM, Leon Rosenberg rosenberg.l...@googlemail.com wrote: Do you develop web applications and deliver them to the

[OT] Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Peter Crowther
2010/1/21 Mark H. Wood mw...@iupui.edu Reverse engineering is not a technical problem; it is a legal problem. You need a lawyer, not a program. Mmm, yes and no. Burglary is also a legal problem, but I have locks (on / around the things I want to keep, of a cost and quality appropriate to my

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Kranti™ K K Parisa
Well there are soo many comments on the cost of IP and other tools. when we are a small team started working on a web based product with open source tools, for sure we can't spend too much on the tools to protect the IP rights. because once we deploy for few clients, if its a good product, what if

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread anthonyvierra
Hi Kranti - Honestly if the ideas in the product are that valuable anyone who uses the product with a web browser, print screen, and paint can fully mock up the application and send the mockups to development. Anything that is deployed on a server that is out of your control, is exactly that. I

Re: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread André Warnier
Kranti™ K K Parisa wrote: Well there are soo many comments on the cost of IP and other tools. when we are a small team started working on a web based product with open source tools, for sure we can't spend too much on the tools to protect the IP rights. because once we deploy for few clients, if

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Leon Rosenberg
Hello Kranti, first of all I strongly believe in open source software and don't like to obfuscate things. But well. 1. If you have internet connectivity on the target server you could only deploy a skeleton of your application and load the protect-worthly classes directly from your servers with

RE: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Jeffrey Janner
: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Peter Crowther wrote: 2010/1/21 Kranti(tm) K K Parisa kranti.par...@gmail.com How could we achieve this without the above tool? Because the pricing of the above tool is very costly. Well, you could always spend the developer-years to create

Re: [OT] Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread André Warnier
Jeffrey Janner wrote: André - Welcome to the world of small business, for-profit software development. This is a more common attitude that you might be aware. I was being somewhat ironic. Being myself a small for-profit software development business, I am well aware of the circumstances.

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Pid
On 21/01/2010 16:24, Leon Rosenberg wrote: 5. stop wasting your time and invest it into developing new features and actually selling your product. If its worth copying it will be copied this way or other. So far no one has managed to protect its software against copying, better concentrate on

RE: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Dmitry Leskov
To list owner: I am not sure if vendors are prohibited from posting comments to this list, if they are, let me know and I won't post next time. Excelsior JET is not an IDE that every developer must have on his/her workstation. It is more like a setup generator. Typically, a team of developers

RE: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Travis Beech
: Thursday, January 21, 2010 3:05 AM To: Tomcat Users List Subject: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering Hi, Can anyone throw some light on this topic, seems it is possible to convert the tomcat+tomcat web applications to native code to secure them and further to run them on client

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread Kranti™ K K Parisa
Hi Leon, Thanks for the notes, may be parallel to our sales we may spend some time on the points you mentioned to protect our selves in the future. Best Regards, Kranti K K Parisa On Thu, Jan 21, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Leon Rosenberg rosenberg.l...@googlemail.com wrote: Hello Kranti, first of

Re: Securing Tomcat Applications from Reverse Engineering

2010-01-21 Thread André Warnier
Dmitry Leskov wrote: We have therefore created a special licensing program that has been working very well for our smaller customers since mid-2008: http://www.excelsior-usa.com/store/jetmb.html To the OP : there, you see, a discount ! And you did not even have to ask. ;-)