Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with numbered lists greater than 10

[Brian Barker]

At 05:38 10/08/2017 -0700, James Wilde wrote:

Hi Brian and thank you for your explanation.


No probs!

You mention the use of styles to make this easier. I haven't been a 
user of styles, ...


Oh, you (and everyone) should be: they are a powerful facility that 
provides more convenient and systematic control over formatting.


... and certainly not for what amounts to an outline. Could I ask 
you to expand on that a bit.


Actually, I don't know that I can. But list styles do exist (see the 
Styles and Formatting window) and ought to be an efficient way to 
format lists. Either create your own or apply an existing one and 
modify it to your needs.


I'm going to be doing this a lot in the future - I write the minutes 
for a condominium association, so it might be time to consider a style.


This is a good example of how they can be helpful. Once you have 
settled on exactly how you want your lists to appear, if you have 
formatted them using a list style you can save that style in a 
template or else very easily import it from an existing document to a 
new one. This saves you attempting to repeat the work for each new document.


Brian Barker  



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[libreoffice-users] Re: Problem with numbered lists greater than 10

[James Wilde]

Hi Brian and thank you for your explanation.  The reason for the late 
reply is that I have been experimenting with this and managed to find a 
workaround.

You mention the use of styles to make this easier.  I haven't been a 
user of styles, and certainly not for what amounts to an outline.  Could 
I ask you to expand on that a bit.  I'm going to be doing this a lot in 
the future - I write the minutes for a condominium association, so it 
might be time to consider a style.

Regards

James

> Brian Barker [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] 
> 
> 09 August 2017 14:09
> At 03:10 09/08/2017 -0700, James Wilde wrote:
> >Using 5.1.6.2 on Ubuntu 16.04 Never had these problems before that I
> >remember. I am using a numbered list. Main numbering is 1, 2, 3,
> >level 2 is a), b), c), level 3 is i), ii), iii.
> >
> >Problem 1: when I get to 10. the title suddenly hops in a tab so
> >that it is not aligned with earlier titles. In the past I have
> >always had a little more room between the number. and the title so
> >that all titles are aligned. Have fiddled about with all the
> >settings I can think of without being able to resolve this.
>
> This will be because the two-digit number, along with the dot,
> already extends beyond the tab position at which the text material
> starts for earlier numbers - so the text will now be aligned at the
> next tab stop instead. This will depend on the font size, of course,
> and you can see how this works by reducing the font size: for small
> enough font sizes, everything should line up again.
>
> You should be able to correct this behaviour using the settings on
> the Position tab of the Numbering dialogue. Note that you can select
> levels under Level at the left and set properties differently for each 
> level.
>
> o For labelling that will be of different lengths - such as with your
> 9., 10., and so on, as well as your third level i), ii), and so on -
> you may well wish to set the "Numbering alignment" as Right instead
> of Left. This will solve your problem at a stroke - though you may
> wish to adjust other spacings to deal with any consequent changes.
>
> o Alternatively, you should be able to solve your problem simply by
> increasing the value for the tab stop position for Level 1.
>
> >Problem 2: When I press new line and tab, I have always hitherto
> >hopped in one tab so that a), b) and so on are aligned with one
> >another, a little bit in from the alignment of 1., 2., etc. Now
> >suddenly either the numbering for this one point changes to a letter
> >(the letter which is the equivalent of the next level 1 number, e.g.
> >10 for J) at the same position as level 1 numbering or the whole
> >numbering system changes to a) b) c) etc at level 1. Have also
> >experimented with several options without result.
>
> Do you have a single numbered list here - or perhaps what looks like
> a single list but is actually a number of separate lists? One way to
> investigate this is to form the list again - which is simpler than it
> sounds. Put the cursor at the end of the first item and press Enter
> and Tab if appropriate. Press Delete to bring the next item's text
> back to that line. Repeat as necessary, using Enter, Tab, and
> Shift+Tab as necessary. But I'm guessing.
>
> Of course, using styles is always better, so creating or using a list
> style may make things easier.
>
> I trust this helps.
>
> Brian Barker
>
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