Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

On 08/16/2017 04:45 PM, Luca Daghino @ Libero wrote:

Il 14/08/2017 06:16, Tim-L--Elmira-NY ha scritto:


I am just MAD at my ASUS X751S laptop.

Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, 
again, dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 
16.04LTS.  I have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.


Suggestion
Virtualize windows and solve your problem :)


NO I cannot do that.  Wish I could.

If/When I need it to go to a warranty repair service, I have to give 
them a Windows password so these people can test it out before and after 
they do the work.  If there is only Ubuntu installed, then they will 
tell me it is Linux that is part of the trouble.


Same with Internet access companies - it is your router that the problem 
so you MUST use ours at $10 a month, even if their wifi range does not 
cover all of your apartment/house, let alone 10 floors down to the 
green-space under my window.


I gave the repair people the Win10 and Ubuntu passwords, but it came 
back with a lot of Windows changes - including the splash and background 
images messed with.  At least most of the data and Win10 packages 
remained the same.


Right now, if the hard drive is big enough, I give Windows 10 between a 
third to a forth of the total drive.  The rest goes to Ubuntu.  Right 
now on the ASUS laptop I gave Win10 about 200 GB of space and then gave 
the rest to Ubuntu.  40 GB partition for the "/" root folders and a few 
GB for the swap partition.  The rest goes for the "/home" partition.  
Hopefully, this will allow me to keep my data when I have to install 
Ubuntu from scratch again.


The laptop I am typing from has only 500 GB so I split it in two.  I 
need enough space to run some space hungry packages and its data that 
only works on Windows.  It does not work correctly installed on a 
Virtual Windows "box" or via WINE.  Most of this stuff is the Corel 
PaintShop package and the printing of labels directly onto CD. or DVD, 
media.


I decided, for now, not to install these packages onto the ASUS Windows 
partition till I fix all the issues.  I do not want to waste time and 
"hair" dealing with repeat installations of the Win10 partition and its 
software.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Luca Daghino @ Libero]

Il 14/08/2017 06:16, Tim-L--Elmira-NY ha scritto:


I am just MAD at my ASUS X751S laptop.

Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again, 
dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I 
have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.


Suggestion
Virtualize windows and solve your problem :)




First, from past experiences, It took awhile to get it to boot again 
from the DVD drive. Then I use a Live CD to partition the 1.0 TB 
drive.  Currently it is trying my next try.


Windows did not like having 1 TB as a single drive.  Then I made a 
small FAT32 partition before a 250GB Windows partition. Windows 
finally installed.


Next I had to work with the remaining space into 3 partitions, 
creating the following - "/", "/home", and Swap.  "/" was set to about 
40 GB which I hope is enough.  "/swap" is about 2 GB at the end of the 
drive.  The rest, about 740 GB is now set for "/home". This is the 
first time I figured out how to make the "/" OS system and the "/home" 
in different partitions.


I do not know how many times the system would only boot to Win10. I 
did not lose much data as the last time.  Most of the files were 
copied to the 6TB "storage" desktop.


SO

I would like help trying to stop this issue now.  Since I do not have 
the same problem[s] with my Gateway NE56R12u, I think it might be the 
ASUS laptop or the fact it has a 1 TB drive instead of 500 GB on this 
Gateway - which I am typing from the Ubuntu partition.


Anyone who can help, you can use either this 
webmas...@krackedpress.com address or timothy.lungst...@gmail.com 
email address.


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well, it is past midnight and I have still an hour or two to get both 
Windows 10 and Ubuntu-MATE 16.04 LTS set up enough that I can transfer 
the files/data to the partitions.  Right now, Windows 10 is running 
and I added only the printers and Firefox browser to it.  Ubuntu is 
installing the basic packages I need to run, but I will wait till I 
get some sleep to install the printers and the large list of packages 
including a much newer version of LibreOffice.






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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Philip Jackson]

On 15/08/17 16:17, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:
> The real problem was/is the fact that after Windows 10 updates itself
> and then changes the BIOS to remove the boot order. Also it damage the
> GRUB boot software.

Yes - I've had that problem on a dual boot desktop : W7 (later upgraded
to W10) and Ubuntu1604 with each OS on its own hard disk.

The problem with cohabitation involving Windows is that the linux boot
has to be on the Windows disk. I had my default boot set to linux where
I do most of my work.

Quite often, when I went into Windows for the odd task, I would get
involved with Windows' automatic updates. These would drive me mad. I am
not opposed to automatic updates but Windows applies them at the end of
a session and they frequently need a reboot in mid update, if not a
couple of reboots. If I was not keeping a sharp eye for the reboot, the
desk top would end up back in linux. Unfortunately, next time I needed
Windows in a hurry, I would boot into the middle of an update and that
could cost me another 10 minutes of lost time waiting for it to complete.

Linux carries out its update installation in the background, very
unobtrusively. It seldom needs a reboot after update, generally only
when the kernel is updated and even then you can do it at your convenience.

Eventually, the boot sector on my Windows disk started playing up and
went bad. The best solution, I found, was to put the new Windows disk
into another machine. Repair the linux disk so that it had its own boot
sector. That way, with 2 computers quite independent, less time is lost
and Windows 10 now has a clean installation and is much faster at
starting up than the upgraded Windows 7 was.

My 2 cents worth,
Philip

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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

On 08/15/2017 12:36 AM, gordon cooper wrote:

Tim,

Not sure if this would help on Win 10, but maybe worth a
try.  I gave up on new MS versions not long after XP,  but still
work on a few multi-boot systems and run into Grub issues.

The cure used here is to set up and adjust partitions with
Gparted (on a CD) , then run Puppy Linux (also on a CD) to remake
Grub with the  grub4dos utility. Has the advantage that the
resultant Grub menu is much more readable.

If the Windows partition size needs to be changed, then Defrag
is run before Gparted.

Gordon

The real problem was/is the fact that after Windows 10 updates itself 
and then changes the BIOS to remove the boot order. Also it damage the 
GRUB boot software.


Yes, Gparted is a nice utility.  I have used it before and may use it 
again to tweak the partition size for Windows.  250 GB is more than I 
need for it.  The file explorer in Windows 10 shows the size is 232 GB 
and currently 199 GB free space.  On my oldest laptop had only a 256 GB 
internal drive, which I partitioned for dual booting with Win10 and 
Ubuntu. This 500 GB laptop [using now] is my default laptop since I have 
so much issues with the 17 inch / 1 TB one.


Last night I installed LibreOffice on Ubuntu, along with drivers for the 
printers and other software I use most often.


Right now I am scanning Windows 10 for any nasties that might have crept 
into Windows during the installs.  That laptop's 4 cores are running too 
hot. I had to pause the scan since one core went to 199 degrees and the 
other 3 was over 185 degrees.  This is why I sent it to the Warranty 
repair service and they told me that the fan and heat sink were 
replaced.  The funny thing - sort of - is that Ubuntu runs much cooler 
than Win10 on that laptop.


I hope I will not have as much problems in the future.



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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim Lungstrom]

On 08/14/2017 08:49 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 08/14/2017 12:16 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again,
dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I
have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.

I use a bootable System Rescue USB pen drive and run fdisk to change the
bootable partition.
The ASUS laptop has more trouble allowing USB booting than it does to 
get the CD/DVD drive to boot.


This laptop is the only one that has this constant problem and needs 
specific arrangement of partition types to get it working.  I think it 
may be both the laptop BIOS and the 1 TB drive.  The laptop I use for 
emailing is the next largest drive - 500 GB, and does not give me little 
issues in this department.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[gordon cooper]

Tim,

Not sure if this would help on Win 10, but maybe worth a
try.  I gave up on new MS versions not long after XP,  but still
work on a few multi-boot systems and run into Grub issues.

The cure used here is to set up and adjust partitions with
Gparted (on a CD) , then run Puppy Linux (also on a CD) to remake
Grub with the  grub4dos utility. Has the advantage that the
resultant Grub menu is much more readable.

If the Windows partition size needs to be changed, then Defrag
is run before Gparted.

Gordon




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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

You were one of the two.


On 08/14/2017 09:04 AM, zahra a wrote:

hi.
i sent my comment off list in your second email address (gmail address).
hope that help and God bless you all.

On 8/14/17, James Knott  wrote:

On 08/14/2017 12:16 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again,
dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I
have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.

I use a bootable System Rescue USB pen drive and run fdisk to change the
bootable partition.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Tim-L--Elmira-NY]

On 08/14/2017 08:49 AM, James Knott wrote:

On 08/14/2017 12:16 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:

Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again,
dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I
have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.

I use a bootable System Rescue USB pen drive and run fdisk to change the
bootable partition.
The ASUS laptop has more trouble allowing USB booting than it does to 
get the CD/DVD drive to boot.


This laptop is the only one that has this constant problem and needs 
specific arrangement of partition types to get it working. I think it 
may be both the laptop BIOS and the 1 TB drive.  The laptop I use for 
emailing is the next largest drive - 500 GB, and does not give me 
little issues in this department.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[zahra a]

hi.
i sent my comment off list in your second email address (gmail address).
hope that help and God bless you all.

On 8/14/17, James Knott  wrote:
> On 08/14/2017 12:16 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:
>> Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again,
>> dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I
>> have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.
>
> I use a bootable System Rescue USB pen drive and run fdisk to change the
> bootable partition.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[James Knott]

On 08/14/2017 12:16 AM, Tim-L--Elmira-NY wrote:
> Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That, again,
> dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE 16.04LTS.  I
> have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.

I use a bootable System Rescue USB pen drive and run fdisk to change the
bootable partition.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] need help off list on a Asus Win10/Ubuntu laptop

[Dave Howorth]

On Mon, 14 Aug 2017 00:16:45 -0400
Tim-L--Elmira-NY  wrote:

> I am just MAD at my ASUS X751S laptop.
> 
> Windows updated itself to a newer version of Windows 10.  That,
> again, dumped the GRUB system to be able to boot to Ubuntu-MATE
> 16.04LTS.  I have been trying to get it working for over 14 hours.

This would be more appropriate to ask on an Ubuntu list or forum rather
than a libreoffice list!

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