On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 06Jul2010 09:47, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
| Well, the Reply-To
| munging will override the Cc and make all the
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 09:55:49 -0400
Chris Tyler ch...@tylers.info wrote:
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 09:23 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:57:48 -0400
Chris Tyler wrote:
a process that takes a few seconds
I understand the need to subscribe, but the process does
not
On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 7:12 AM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
Tim:
It doesn't double up the *to* addresses, when I reply here. I second
the motion that it's most likely to be a gmail problem. Either what it
does, or how you're using it.
Tom H:
Thanks for the info.
The way that
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:02:37 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about reply to all?
I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know everybody that
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras wrote:
At least you can remove the Your message to $foo awaits moderator
approval automatic reply; it's clearly a lie.
I don't receive those messages when I post from a non-subscribed
address.
I did on the
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On Thu, Jul 08, 2010 at 11:16:41 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
However, were you strict in saying no, deal with 'reply to all'? If
so, did your users managed?
Yes, my lists, my rules. I think there are mistakes from time to time, but
the lists are pretty low
Tim:
It doesn't double up the *to* addresses, when I reply here. I second
the motion that it's most likely to be a gmail problem. Either what it
does, or how you're using it.
Tom H:
Thanks for the info.
The way that I am using it?! LOL
Well, it had to be one of those two options, and
On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 05:33 -0400, Tom H wrote:
Tim has posted that he doesn't see this de-doubling on Yahoo.
Well, I should point out that I'm using Evolution for mail, even though
the mail goes through a yahoo address. We're lucky to still have POP3
access to the free yahoo mail service,
Tim ignored_mailbox at yahoo.com.au writes:
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:43 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
I'm thinking it would be nice to have the html archives set up so
that, if you've logged in (as you do to change your mail settings),
you could click a link in the post and the list server
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Anyway, if non-subscribers are not welcome, then I guess I'll just
refrain from posting here just like everybody else, even when I'm
asked to do it on
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
pocallag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Fact: the current system doesn't allow cross-posting
Nothing in the current system prevents cross-posting. It's explicitly
discouraged by the list
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:05:33 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
So if anything, Reply-To munging would cause more private mail go to
the mailing list (i.e. I typed 'r' in mutt, not 'g', but the
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras wrote:
Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members.
This setting was made before any of the current list admins were
present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejection is the more
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:15 PM, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote:
Just to end this debate: you all must have seen this spam post.
If posting is opened to non-subscribers, this will multiply by thousands
and millions.
Wrong; that spam mail is totally unrelated.
Say moderation was enabled, and I was
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 06Jul2010 09:47, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
| But the actual steps you have to do are different depending on the
| list manager; majordomo is different than mailman.
So? It is not _very_
Things are fine as they are. Most other lists work the same way. If
someone doesn't want to subscribe as they only want to ask one question,
then are not missed as most questions can be answered by actually doing
a bit of digging, which a lot of users on this list do not do. Also, if
they find
Joel Rees wrote:
Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from the
headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading with a
little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a way to set
arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all.
If you use the
Felipe Contreras wrote:
At least you can remove the Your message to $foo awaits moderator
approval automatic reply; it's clearly a lie.
I don't receive those messages when I post from a non-subscribed
address.
For some reason when I receive mail from you I see:
reply-to: Community support
for Fedora users
users@lists.fedoraproject.org
to Community support for Fedora users users@lists.fedoraproject.org
dateWed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:10 AM
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On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:02:37 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about reply to all?
I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know everybody that knows
how to send email knows to send mail to more than one
On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 15:44:24 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Including plenty of people who explicitly ask not to be personally CCed,
yea, even to the point of putting such a request at the top of _every_
post they make.
*Some* nut-jobs might not like to
On Wed, 7 Jul 2010 10:41:20 -0500
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
I have seen people ask about this on other lists (not related to Fedora)
where I don't do reply munging.
That's the real key to the problem - so many lists do it so many
different ways that it is hard to keep track of what to do on
any
On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @ 05:43 zulu, Joel Rees scribed:
Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from
the headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading
with a little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a
way to set arbitrary headers, though, that
On Wednesday, 07 July, 2010 @ 10:19 zulu, Felipe Contreras scribed:
Wrong; that spam mail is totally unrelated.
Say moderation was enabled, and I was made moderator *today*. Would
any extra spam reach your inbox? No.
*I* (the moderator) would have to approve it first. If I'm bad at my
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Also, what happens if I choose to stay subscribed, but decide to turn
mail delivery off? Well, I can send mails, but I will not get the
replies.
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 1:51 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:17 PM, Genes MailLists li...@sapience.com wrote:
What about allowing subscribers of f...@lists.f.o to be allowed to post
to b...@lists.f.o.
That would help only if Reply-To wasn't
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:43 PM, Bruno Wolff III br...@wolff.to wrote:
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 15:29:44 -0400,
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
It is much less problematic for reply to reply to the list,
especially if changing that behavior is solely meant to help those who
don't want to
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Thomas Taylor li...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:24:08 -0400
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add
the Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing list; it will happen
automatically.
On 07/05/2010 11:07 PM, Tom H wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 6:16 PM, Thomas Taylorli...@comcast.net wrote:
On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:24:08 -0400
Tom Htomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add
the Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
On 05Jul2010 20:02, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
| On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
| On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
| In order to
On 06/07/10 05:24, Tim wrote:
The list becomes a potentially *large* source of spam, when rejecting
mail to a third party.
Who can then report list for spamming them.
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On 05/07/10 23:16, Thomas Taylor wrote:
--snip--
And that attitude is going to make new linux users who have questions feel
unwanted on the list!
Not at all, I remember when fdisk sounded like a swear word to myself.
I subscribed, and the very fact of subscribing made me newbie
fell like there
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Fact: the current system doesn't allow cross-posting
Nothing in the current system prevents cross-posting. It's explicitly
discouraged by the list Guidelines, but as we know some people do it
(and usually get jumped on). The rationale is
On 06/07/2010 08:47, Frank Murphy wrote:
On 05/07/10 23:16, Thomas Taylor wrote:
--snip--
And that attitude is going to make new linux users who have questions feel
unwanted on the list!
OK sure, go head over the OpenBSD mailing list, sit there for a week
then come back here and say it's
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Anyway, if non-subscribers are not welcome, then I guess I'll just
refrain from posting here just like everybody else, even when I'm
asked to do it on Fedora's bugzilla.
Ah, so the hundreds of people who regularly contribute here are
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:05:33 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
So if anything, Reply-To munging would cause more private mail go to
the mailing list (i.e. I typed 'r' in mutt, not 'g', but the mail went
to the ml!)
That's pretty much what I said. But it has to
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:47:52 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
No, the spam filter will be *in addition* to whatever is there
already. If the list remains subscription-only, there's still spam
that goes through, the spam filter will help. And if the lists is
Felipe Contreras wrote:
Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members.
This setting was made before any of the current list admins were
present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejection is the more
courteous setting, and we have changed this now.
Yes, that's better.
Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
No, the spam filter will be *in addition* to whatever is there
already. If the list remains subscription-only, there's still spam
that goes through, the spam filter will help. And if the lists is
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:47:52 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
No, the spam filter will be *in addition* to whatever is there
already. If the list remains subscription-only, there's still spam
that goes through, the spam filter will help.
On 07/06/2010 06:08 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Anyway, if non-subscribers are not welcome, then I guess I'll just
refrain from posting here just like everybody else, even when I'm
asked to do it on Fedora's bugzilla.
Ah, so the
Tim wrote:
By the way. Loose - the opposite of tight. Lose - the opposite of win.
I'm so sick of people getting that wrong. That's a third year primary
school language mistake.
And a fact which doesn't impact the final outcome of something is moot, not
mute. Everyone has their favorite
On Tue, 2010-07-06 at 11:21 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
By the way. Loose - the opposite of tight. Lose - the opposite of
win.
I'm so sick of people getting that wrong. That's a third year
primary
school language mistake.
And a fact which doesn't impact the final outcome of
On 06Jul2010 09:47, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
| On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Cameron Simpson c...@zip.com.au wrote:
| On 05Jul2010 20:02, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
| | I mean that there are many steps involved, go to this page, fill this,
| |
On 06Jul2010 11:21, Bill Davidsen david...@tmr.com wrote:
| Tim wrote:
| By the way. Loose - the opposite of tight. Lose - the opposite of win.
| I'm so sick of people getting that wrong. That's a third year primary
| school language mistake.
|
| And a fact which doesn't impact the final
the points. It is a priviledge to be on the list
and if he wants to post, but not be subscribed and he is not a very important
person, then he should abide like others do.
Regards,
Antonio
P.S.
kill -9 thread=Re: Bug in mailing lists; unfriendly to non-subscribers
rm -rf thread=Re: Bug in mailing
Okay, the digest listing does give us the message-ID line from the
headers, so it shouldn't be too hard to maintain threading with a
little extra copy/paste. If your MUA doesn't provide a way to set
arbitrary headers, though, that won't work after all.
I'm thinking it would be nice to have
On Wed, 2010-07-07 at 14:43 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
I'm thinking it would be nice to have the html archives set up so
that, if you've logged in (as you do to change your mail settings),
you could click a link in the post and the list server would ship you
a copy of the post you're looking
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few
bounces, and that's the problem.
Something wrong with *your* mail, then, if there's any bouncing. If you
don't actually meaning mail bounces, then you're using the
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 09:23 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 05 Jul 2010 08:57:48 -0400
Chris Tyler wrote:
a process that takes a few seconds
I understand the need to subscribe, but the process does
not take a few seconds. For one thing, a lot of ISPs
seem to be blocked or are blocking
Clearly, these are religious issues. Whether a list should set replies
to go to the list or to the original poster, whether postings from
non-members should be accepted, etc. are debated ad nauseum. You can't
come in here and state your opinions in these areas as though they were
facts; they are
On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice
for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that. Please, make
Fedora mailing list friendly to outsiders.
Check your sent folder. Your masterpiece should be there.
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:57 PM, Chris Tyler ch...@tylers.info wrote:
Thanks for your note and for your argument in favor of making the lists
open to the world.
However, there are also strong arguments in favor of the current
configuration, which permits posting only by subscribers:
(1) Spam
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:57 AM, Chris Tyler ch...@tylers.info wrote:
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Hi,
I don't see any component in bugzilla for mailing lists, so I'm posting here.
In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few
bounces, and
Actually there is at least one correctable valid point
floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on
the web page for the list does it mention that you have
to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
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On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 12:29 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
Actually there is at least one correctable valid point
floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on
the web page for the list does it mention that you have
to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list:
On 05/07/10 17:29, Tom Horsley wrote:
Actually there is at least one correctable valid point
floating around here: I just checked, and nowhere on
the web page for the list does it mention that you have
to be subscribed in order to send mail to the list:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few
bounces, and that's the problem.
Something wrong with *your* mail, then, if there's any
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:25 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote:
Clearly, these are religious issues. Whether a list should set replies
to go to the list or to the original poster, whether postings from
non-members should be accepted, etc. are debated ad nauseum. You can't
come in here and
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:
On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice
for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that. Please, make
Fedora mailing list friendly to
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
I don't see any component in bugzilla for mailing lists, so I'm posting here.
In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few
bounces, and that's the problem.
Public mailing lists should
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle with
Reply-To; they should leave the To and Cc fields intact, so that the
MUA can
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from
one-post people
That is an opinion, not a fact. I happen to believe that the nature of
the post makes a difference as to whether it is beneficial to the
community. As
On 05/07/10 18:42, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Is it so much to ask for you to hit reply to all instead of reply
(depending on the case), so that other people can have the benefits of
non-munged headers?
On the sign up page for the list:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow
it
Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of
off-list spam then they won't read the list.
Alan
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On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would follow
it
Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the
list would be useless.
Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Frank Murphy frankl...@gmail.com wrote:
On the sign up page for the list:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
near the bottom:
users list run by...
That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to the
same for all the
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Greg Woods wo...@ucar.edu wrote:
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from
one-post people
That is an opinion, not a fact.
So you are saying that it's not proven that people
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:12 PM, DJ Delorie d...@delorie.com wrote:
On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would
follow it
Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the
list would be useless.
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it so much to ask for you to hit reply to all instead of reply
(depending on the case), so that other people can have the benefits of
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Cox a...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would
follow it
Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of
off-list spam then they won't read the list.
True, that's why care
On 07/05/2010 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would
follow it
Correct - and if that process is weeding odd emails from gigabytes of
off-list spam then
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:12 PM, JD jd1...@gmail.com wrote:
On 07/05/2010 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Coxa...@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk wrote:
Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would
follow it
Correct - and if that process
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Is it so much to ask for you to hit reply to all instead of
Felipe Contreras wrote:
On the sign up page for the list:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
near the bottom:
users list run by...
That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to
the same for all the mailing lists and gather all the recipients =/
No
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
No. I am saying that if you are not willing to subscribe, you are not,
AFAIC, part of the community.
So if somebody is participating in IRC, filing and solving bugs,
maintaining packages, testing packages... but doesn't subscribe
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:30 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
No. I am saying that if you are not willing to subscribe, you are not,
AFAIC, part of the community.
So if somebody is participating in IRC,
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is not in the system.
The sender has to realise that he/she has sent a private email! LOL
Yeah, so? It's a user mistake, it's up to
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Todd Zullinger t...@pobox.com wrote:
Felipe Contreras wrote:
On the sign up page for the list:
https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
near the bottom:
users list run by...
That's only for the 'users' mailing list. I guess I would have to
What about allowing subscribers of f...@lists.f.o to be allowed to post
to b...@lists.f.o.
The benefit of registration is the same - and it would allow an
occasional cross post without subscribing ?
gene/
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On 07/06/2010 01:22 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Greshko ed.gres...@greshko.com wrote:
On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice
for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras
felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
The problem is not in the system.
The sender has to realise
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 15:29:44 -0400,
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
It is much less problematic for reply to reply to the list,
especially if changing that behavior is solely meant to help those who
don't want to subscribe to it...
Typically accidentally sending a message intended for
Todd Zullinger tmz at pobox.com writes:
Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members.
This setting was made before any of the current list admins were
present AFAIK. I believe that sending a rejection is the more
courteous setting, and we have changed this now.
Won't
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 14:57:33 +0300,
Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
Public mailing lists should receive mail from *anybody*; if the poster
is not subscribed, then the message should go through moderation. This
is the truly open way.
There are costs in doing that.
On Mon, Jul 05, 2010 at 20:44:59 +,
Andre Robatino an...@bwh.harvard.edu wrote:
Todd Zullinger tmz at pobox.com writes:
Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members.
This setting was made before any of the current list admins were
present AFAIK. I believe that
Felipe Contreras wrote:
Right, but I wonder if I send a mail to all the *-owner lists. Maybe
the Reply-To would be munged and the threads will diverge.
The *-owner addresses are simply aliases. They are not mailing lists
themselves.
I think it's much safer just to grep for all the admins and
On 07/05/2010 05:39 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
o times the ml)
This comes from some folks sending mail to the old
fedora-l...@redhat.com address. I've not looked closely to see
whether we can fix that up. It would likely take a little work at the
system level on the mailman server and
Genes MailLists wrote:
Maybe its time to shut the old list off - will avoid some dup posts
too!
The old list is shut off. There is simply an alias @redhat.com to
us...@lists.fedoraproject.org.
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On Mon, 5 Jul 2010 13:24:08 -0400
Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
snip
This way when a non-subscriber posts something, he doesn't have to add
the Please CC me as I'm not in the mailing list; it will happen
automatically.
I couldn't disagree more.
Posting to the list: If someone wants
On 07/06/2010 06:05 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
Genes MailLists wrote:
Maybe its time to shut the old list off - will avoid some dup posts
too!
The old list is shut off. There is simply an alias @redhat.com to
us...@lists.fedoraproject.org.
I think the suggestion was more to
On 05Jul2010 20:02, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
| On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim ignored_mail...@yahoo.com.au wrote:
| On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
| In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few
| bounces, and
On 05Jul2010 18:25, Felipe Contreras felipe.contre...@gmail.com wrote:
[...snip...]
| (2) Most posts provoke discussion. If the original poster is not
| subscribed to the list, they will probably get dropped from the
| discussion at some point, and not realize the full benefit of the
|
Ed Greshko wrote:
I think the suggestion was more to eliminate it as well as any
redirection since enough time has elapsed since the move to
fedoraproject.org. So, kill the alias as well as it has outlived
its usefulness.
I don't think that's likely to happen. At the least, it's not
On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:54 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
I don't think the downside of having the alias from the old list
outweighs the benefits. And, we may be able to mitigate the downside
with some smarts on the lists.fedoraproject.org side as well. It's
just not been enough of a problem
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