Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Tommy27
i completely agree with you. please Harold Fuchs-2, add your voice to the petition: we are already 198!!! -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Petition-against-OOo-Renaissance-tp25228803p25252248.html Sent from the openoffice - users mailing list archive at Nabble.com.

Re: [users] Petition against OOo Degridation

2009-09-02 Thread Lars Nooden
Tommy27 wrote: keep signing the petition: http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stoprenaissance/ Please consider moving the petition to a service that doesn't suck as much. There are a lot of petition sites to choose from. Choosing an un-serious site shows that the petition is as un-serious

Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Tommy27 wrote: IMHO, Mathias Bauer's was a classic example of politician talk... a lot of words just to confuse users... he pretend we believe that Renaissance is not copyinf Ribbon... that's simply ridicolous: any man with eyes on this planet sees that the new GUI is clearly inspired to

Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
Some OpenOffice developers announced, few time ago, a great (in their minds) project: Trying to copy ugly, unusable Ribbon interface, made by Micro$oft for Word and other Office products http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/prototyping_a_new_ui_july

Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Lars Nooden wrote: Thanks, Mathias, Mathias Bauer wrote: What we are trying to achieve is a context sensitive user interface. Which if done less than perfectly is a fancy way of saying 'confusing' and 'complex' ;) Well, perfection most probably won't be reached ever, but I agree that

Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Mathias Bauer
Harold Fuchs wrote: We can only comment on what we are shown. What I saw was terrible and I said so. If what was shown does not represent the intentions then show us what is intended. Philosophical arguments about UIs and context sensitive menus are a waste of time and effort. The only

[users] UI work (Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance)

2009-09-02 Thread Lars Nooden
Mathias Bauer wrote: I can even imagine a much simpler approach: just keep the old UI as an option and use usage tracking to find out how many users switch to it. Studies for the courts found in 1996 that even back then 60% kept the default settings. By now it's close to 100%. I've tried

[users] Font challenge.?

2009-09-02 Thread James Elliott
I have a new challenge which seems to have only occurred since upgrading to OOo 3.1, but that might be a coincidence - I may have inadvertently altered my template. I have a Draw template for a DL envelope with my company details and return address already on it. All I have to do to mail

[users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Harold Fuchs
Mathias Bauer nospamfor...@gmx.de wrote in message news:4a9e23d4.30...@gmx.de... Harold Fuchs wrote: We can only comment on what we are shown. What I saw was terrible and I said so. If what was shown does not represent the intentions then show us what is intended. Philosophical arguments

Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Dotan Cohen
Menus are a tool for browsing through the functionality of an application and rearrangig the menu elements is counter productive. But for other UI elements, especially those that consume more screen space, it is a useful concept to reduce clutter. The first thing that I do on a new OOo

[users] Enhancing the UI (was Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance)

2009-09-02 Thread Lars Nooden
Harold Fuchs wrote: If you really want to enhance the UI, implement the facility where ***every*** possible option is available from the keyboard so that real typists don't have to keep switching between it and the mouse. +1 ... There's an ancient organisation in Japan responsible for

Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Uwe Fischer
Harold Fuchs wrote: Do you use professional usability labs? These are organisations that get people in off the street to try to use a piece of software. Typically the people don't have any training. They are observed interviewed to find what comes easily and what doesn't. The results are

[users] Re: Wordperfect and Quattro Pro importing

2009-09-02 Thread william drescher
Philippe Faure wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone has heard of how the importing of Wordperfect and Quattro Pro files? I haven't been able to find anything. thanks Philippe I import WordPerfect files without a problem. bill

Re: Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Tommy27
@Mathias My dislike for Ribbon is not just because is a MS product... If i was just a MS hater i would use a Mac... while i prefer Windows to MacOS. Regarding the Ribbon i had chance to try it on Office 2007 and i can tell that it really sucks... it's context sensitivity is a pain in the ass...

[users] [user] Calc number of rows

2009-09-02 Thread John Gregson
I am using Open Office 3.1.1 Java version is: 1.6.0_15 I am using a PC with Vista 32 In the Calc spreadsheet, I do not see any information indicating the number of rows (lines) in my spreadsheet. In other spreadsheets this is usually at the bottom of the page; is there some setting that I have

[users] Re: How do you turn a single spaced Doc into double-spaced?

2009-09-02 Thread NoOp
On 09/01/2009 02:31 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: John Kaufmann wrote: In a message dated 2009.08.26 06:01 -0500, Richard Travers wrote: How do you turn a single-spaced Write document into double-spaced? Why not simply Search and Replace (Cmd-F), put one space in Search and two in Replace by,

Re: [users] Wordperfect and Quattro Pro importing

2009-09-02 Thread Don Daugherty
Philippe Faure wrote: Hello, I was wondering if anyone has heard of how the importing of Wordperfect and Quattro Pro files? I haven't been able to find anything. thanks Philippe - To unsubscribe, e-mail:

[users] How do I stop getting open office instigated requests to upgrade Java?

2009-09-02 Thread Martin Hoy
How do I get rid of these constant pop ups asking me to upgrade Java everytime I turn on my PC, about 3-5 times per day. I don`t know who Open Office is and I don`t want to know. I went through the website and there is not 1 link (or I couldn`t find it) simply explaining how I can get them

[users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread Merouane Louma
Dear Sir I work since years with Open Office, and other things constructed from SUN, like Open Solaris, Java, MySQL .and other. But in Open office, there are some negatives like: 1. No Arabic Language Grammar and Orthography in English version. 2. I want you put the

[users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread Merouane Louma
*Dear Sir * *I work since years with Open Office, and other things constructed from SUN, like Open Solaris, Java, MySQL .and other.* *But in Open office, there are some negatives like:* 1. *No Arabic Language Grammar and Orthography in English version.* 2. *I want you put

[users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread Merouane Louma
Dear Sir I work since years with Open Office, and other things constructed from SUN, like Open Solaris, Java, MySQL .and other. But in Open office, there are some negatives like: No Arabic Language Grammar and Orthography in English version. I want you put the

Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread jonathon
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 18:28, Mathias Bauer wrote: Additionally, let's discuss if the old toolbars should be used as an alternative UI. Possibly people prefer a mediocre UI just because they are used to it - that's a valid decision and IMHO shouldn't be ignored. Given a choice between the

Re: [users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread jonathon
On Tue, Sep 1, 2009 at 22:59, Merouane Louma wrote: in Open office, there are some negatives like:        1. No Arabic Language Grammar and Orthography in English version. The Arabic language grammar checker for OOo is best not used. (For starters, it is biased towards the type of errors

Re: [users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
2009/9/2 Merouane Louma merouanelo...@gmail.com: *Dear Sir *  *I work since years with Open Office, and other things constructed from SUN, like Open Solaris, Java, MySQL .and other.* *But in Open office, there are some negatives like:*   1.   *No Arabic Language Grammar and

Re: [users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread Johnny Rosenberg
Please stop being an idiot. There's no need to write the same ”question” or message over and over again. Just wait for people to reply. If nobody do, well, then I guess nobody has anything to say. Johnny Rosenberg 2009/9/2 Merouane Louma loumamerou...@hotmail.com: Dear Sir I work since

Re: [users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread Harold Fuchs
Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Please stop being an idiot. There's no need to write the same ”question” or message over and over again. Just wait for people to reply. If nobody do, well, then I guess nobody has anything to say. Johnny Rosenberg 2009/9/2 Merouane Louma loumamerou...@hotmail.com:

[users] Base One to many relationship

2009-09-02 Thread Fred Frazelle
This is the second time i've sent this, but i don't see it appearing in the Digest. i'm going to format it as Plan Text and see what happens. i hope this is the correct forum for this... i'm still trying to get this to work... i've created two tables: Dates and Visits. This is a

Re: [users] Base One to many relationship

2009-09-02 Thread Harold Fuchs
Fred Frazelle wrote: This is the second time i've sent this, but i don't see it appearing in the Digest. i'm going to format it as Plan Text and see what happens. i hope this is the correct forum for this... i'm still trying to get this to work... i've created two tables: Dates

[users] Re: Where to download the source code of libcupsys2-dev

2009-09-02 Thread NoOp
On 08/31/2009 05:25 PM, Peng Yu wrote: Hi, I want to install openoffice from source code on a linux machine. I run 'configure'. But I got the following machine. configure: error: cups/cups.h could not be found. libcupsys2-dev or cups???-devel missing? I did a search. But I don't find a

Re: [users] Re: New GUI for OOo ?

2009-09-02 Thread John Boyle
Jonathan Kaye wrote: NoOp wrote: On 08/06/2009 07:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: I think most of us can agree that the OOo GUI is getting a bit long in the tooth, but I'm not sure that everybody wants a needed update to tread the primorose path taken by Microsoft Office. List members

Re: [users] Base One to many relationship

2009-09-02 Thread Drew Jensen
Harold Fuchs wrote: 2009/9/3 Drew Jensen usersl...@paintedfrogceramics.com Harold Fuchs wrote: You might be better off asking in the Base section within the OOo forum. It's at http://www.oooforum.org. You need to subscribe (free) before you can post questions or answers. Like this mail list

Re: [users] Base One to many relationship

2009-09-02 Thread Harold Fuchs
2009/9/3 Drew Jensen usersl...@paintedfrogceramics.com Harold Fuchs wrote: You might be better off asking in the Base section within the OOo forum. It's at http://www.oooforum.org. You need to subscribe (free) before you can post questions or answers. Like this mail list it's run by

Re: [users] How do I stop getting open office instigated requests to upgrade Java?

2009-09-02 Thread Harold Fuchs
Martin Hoy wrote: How do I get rid of these constant pop ups asking me to upgrade Java everytime I turn on my PC, about 3-5 times per day. I don`t know who Open Office is and I don`t want to know. I went through the website and there is not 1 link (or I couldn`t find it) simply explaining

Re: [users] Open Office

2009-09-02 Thread Barbara Duprey
Harold Fuchs wrote: Johnny Rosenberg wrote: Please stop being an idiot. There's no need to write the same ”question” or message over and over again. Just wait for people to reply. If nobody do, well, then I guess nobody has anything to say. Johnny Rosenberg 2009/9/2 Merouane Louma

Re: [users] Base One to many relationship

2009-09-02 Thread Drew Jensen
Harold Fuchs wrote: You might be better off asking in the Base section within the OOo forum. It's at http://www.oooforum.org. You need to subscribe (free) before you can post questions or answers. Like this mail list it's run by volunteers but tends to be more specialised. Just a FYI -

Re: [users] Base One to many relationship

2009-09-02 Thread Drew Jensen
Fred Frazelle wrote: This is the second time i've sent this, but i don't see it appearing in the Digest. i'm going to format it as Plan Text and see what happens. i hope this is the correct forum for this... i'm still trying to get this to work... i've created two tables: Dates

[users] Re: How do I stop getting open office instigated requests to upgrade Java?

2009-09-02 Thread NoOp
On 09/02/2009 04:46 PM, Harold Fuchs wrote: Martin Hoy wrote: ... How do I get rid of these constant requests to update Java? It only asks do it later or do it now. Wahat about do you want us to go away for ever. Answer is Yes, Please. We are nothing to do with Java. We are users of

Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Web Kracked
Harold Fuchs wrote: Mathias Bauer nospamfor...@gmx.de wrote in message news:4a9e23d4.30...@gmx.de... Harold Fuchs wrote: We can only comment on what we are shown. What I saw was terrible and I said so. If what was shown does not represent the intentions then show us what is intended.

Re: [users] Re: Where to download the source code of libcupsys2-dev

2009-09-02 Thread Peng Yu
On Wed, Sep 2, 2009 at 6:32 PM, NoOpgl...@sbcglobal.net wrote: On 08/31/2009 05:25 PM, Peng Yu wrote: Hi, I want to install openoffice from source code on a linux machine. I run 'configure'. But I got the following machine. configure: error: cups/cups.h could not be found. libcupsys2-dev or

[users] Copy paste not working in OOo 3.1.?

2009-09-02 Thread James Elliott
Since up grading to OOo 3.1 (running under Windows XP) Copy and Paste is not working properly, in some instances. When I copy the contents of a 'name and address' cell in a Calc worksheet, into text box in a Draw document: 1. the first line copies across as font size 12pt 2. the second

Re: Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

2009-09-02 Thread Tommy27
well said. the double GUI (standard and Renaissance/Ribbon) would be the best solution and would put the word end to this controversy. however this has been asked many times in many forums and newsgroups but many developers seemed not to like very much that idea. i don't know if the can't or