I'm not sure what the purpose of this discussion is.
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In a message dated 2002-10-07 01:34:08 Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
It is very difficult to get the headers of one's emails to give ISO 8601.
Outlook Express always seems to use MMM-DD-YY and am/pm, irrespective of
one's regional settings. This is the reason why John gets all
There is one thing missing in these message tips.
Make sure your message is related to the topic of the list.
How did we get on such a detailed discussion about $1 coins?
Markus Kuhn [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/04/02 04:09PM
sniped for brefity
I am not aware of any Federal mandate to revert to English. I will check this out
though with a source I have at FHWA. Sounds like Idaho is trying to revert and place
the blame on someone else.
Howard Ressel
metric conversion Manager, NYSDOT region 4
Brij Bhushan Vij [EMAIL PROTECTED]
There is absolutely no Federal mandate to revert. That is intentional
disinformation spread by opponents, and the original poster should me made
aware of it.
Nat
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Howard Ressel
Sent: Monday, 2002
There is no Federal mandate! I confirmed this with the FHWA metric coordinator. They
support what ever units the State is using.
Howard Ressel
Metric Manager, NYSDOT Region 4
At 09:55 PM 6 October 2002 -0400, kilopascal wrote:
Yes, you are very right. We talk freedom, but we don't practice it.
Freedom means you can do whatever you want as long as it is my way, customs
and culture.
Yeah, kind of like saying, You can measure any way you want, as long as
it's metric.
At 05:10 PM 5 October 2002 +0200, Han Maenen wrote:
The American way has definite flaws as it promotes cheating and endless
confusion. I know that some states in the USA have a so-called 'commercial
acre' which is substantially smaller than the statute one. ...
Sleezy business practices are not
At 06:04 PM 5 October 2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
John David Galt wrote:
They wouldn't have jailed that guy in Britain recently for
selling meat by the pound.
...
1. Metric
*
UK traders are obliged to be capable of responding to a customer request
for goods in kilograms
2.
At 06:38 PM 6 October 2002 +0800, Mike Joy wrote:
It was only that guy's own selfishness that he refused to use metric
scales. He had no care for the large number of visitors from Europe and the
metric world. He certainly had no care for wanting to enhance his own
country's image in the eyes of
At 10:23 AM 6 October 2002 -0400, kilopascal wrote:
You people outside the US must place the burden of cost and confusion back
on the US market. You must work with whatever resources are available on
your side to force American companies who sell products in the world to
strictly follow ISO
As I pointed out in an earlier email, this is just a backhanded way of
forcing metrication on those who do not want it. You can stand there all
day and claim he was not punished for selling in pounds, but, in effect,
that is EXACTLY what he was prosecuted for.
He was not punished for using
At 05:41 PM 7 October 2002 +0100, Tom Wade VMS Systems wrote:
He was not punished for using pounds, he was punished for not providing the
approved units AS WELL. ...
Isn't it the case that packaged goods in the US must be labelled
in *both* metric and colonial ? So the UK situation is slightly
At Monday, 07 October 2002, you wrote:
At 05:41 PM 7 October 2002 +0100, Tom Wade VMS Systems wrote:
He was not punished for using pounds, he was punished for not providing
the
approved units AS WELL. ...
Isn't it the case that packaged goods in the US must be labelled
in *both* metric and
I assume we are talking about the Metric Martyr's here??
If so, there is a basic hypocrisy at work here!! Neil Herron knows fine well he would
have to obey UK weights and measures law whether it be metric OR imperial. There has
NEVER been a choice in the matter, as he likes to imply!!
At 10:34 AM 7 October 2002 -0500, Brian J White wrote:
Jim..sorry bud, but I've gotta say you're wrong here.
With all due respect to your Libertarian ideals, you're incorrectly
reducing the problem to a simple set of circumstances.the guy
wanted to deal in English units.
HE COULD HAVE DELT
(Stephen refers to Bill but quotes my email, so I presume that is a typo,
and I will respond.)
At 06:48 PM 7 October 2002 +0100, Stephen Davis wrote:
...
If so, there is a basic hypocrisy at work here!! Neil Herron knows fine
well he would have to obey UK weights and measures law whether it
When did Jim Elwell change his name to Bill?
Bill Potts, CMS
Roseville, CA
http://metric1.org [SI Navigator]
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Stephen Davis
Sent: Monday, October 07, 2002 10:49
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject:
UK traders have the option of pricing and weighing goods
in pounds. If they wish to do this, then they must have
dual pricing and dual scales.
As I pointed out in an earlier email, this is just a
backhanded way of forcing metrication on those who do
not want it.
I agree.
You can stand there
They wouldn't have jailed that guy in Britain recently for selling meat
by the pound. And it's a violation of human rights that they did.
Anyone who makes a laughing stock out of his own country deserves to be
locked up for many, many years.
Leaving the choice of units up to the
Jim Elwell wrote (in part):
He (the metric martyr -- Ezra) refused to use a NEW approved scale system.
He had a perfectly good one
that the government had approved in the past.
So, then, for example, if a manufacturer has an existing long-standing approved
fire-protection system for his
Jim Elwell wrote:
And it certainly was NOTHING related to fraud -- he wasn't trying
to rip anyone off!
The phrase 'who is the victim' is one that I often use when discussing
regulation. I think this is similar to what you say.
The guy probably had a perfectly good pound scale,
Yes he had.
OK. Thanks. I just wondered because I do take time to research web
references in order to assist debate. I understand your reasons now.
Howard Ressel wrote:
Except that web reference was kind of old and my info was recent, from
the
horses mouth so to speak.
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/07/02
At 07:25 PM 7 October 2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The semantic argument is:
he made a choice to be a pounds-only trader. This is not permitted and
he was convicted for it. Can we agree on this too? If so, then the
debate is about whether pounds-only trade should be legal.
Yes, aside
At 11:47 AM 10/7/2002 -0700, Ezra Steinberg wrote:
Jim Elwell wrote (in part):
He (the metric martyr -- Ezra) refused to use a NEW approved scale
system.
He had a perfectly good one
that the government had approved in the past.
So, then, for example, if a manufacturer has an existing
If you look in the link below at the 'Main findings' and open the 'full
document', you will see an extensive analysis of package sizes.
http://europa.eu.int/comm/enterprise/prepack/index.htm
Interesting facts are:
The US mandatory spirit size of 750 ml may not be sold in the EU.
The EU
Yea, I'm making a big deal out of what, to most of you, is probably a
technicality. However, it WAS the issue to this guy. It WAS the
reason he
refused to give in. Shouldn't we at least try to understand what
motivated
the guy?
Oh I understand. But truthfully it seems like misguided
At Monday, 07 October 2002, Jim Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
At 07:25 PM 7 October 2002 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
The semantic argument is:
he made a choice to be a pounds-only trader. This is not permitted and
he was convicted for it. Can we agree on this too? If so, then the
debate is
Dear Ezra and All,
An interesting situation arose in Australia a few summers ago when one state
(Victoria) was experiencing a worse than usual bush fire (I think these are
called wild fires in the USA). They called for help from a neighbouring
state (New South Wales) only to discover that each
Dear Carlton,
You have to change the tab settings in the 'Normal' template probably in a
folder called 'Templates'.
I can't tell you what I think of the Microsoft company every time that I
reload MS Word and have to go step by step through putting my computer back
(as close as I can) to SI
Thank you, Pat, for this useful bit of information.
It makes me think of the role of safety some more as it relates to metrication. For
example, we have the one incident in Canada reported as a mix-up of gallons and
litres that (nearly?) caused the plane to run out of fuel. We also have the
I'm also reminded that it took that famous Triangle garment factory fire in New York
City at the turn of the century (which roasted dozens of workers, some beyond
recognition for family members to identify) for the government to require businesses
(which fought it tooth and nail at the time as
kilopascal wrote on 2002-10-06 19:16 UTC:
One thing missing from the article is when the new standard will be put into
use. Does anyone know when new clothes will carry the new labels? The
sooner the better.
In the UK, the retailer Marks Spencer has actually used metric labels
(so far
Bill Potts wrote on 2002-10-07 07:14 UTC:
I'm not sure what the purpose of this discussion is.
Some people here mix up the difference between a network protocol
specification and a user interface convention, that's all. Implementors
have a habbit of passing the network representation on to the
In a message dated 2002-10-07 17:45:01 Eastern Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Dear Ezra and All,
An interesting situation arose in Australia a few summers ago when one state
(Victoria) was experiencing a worse than usual bush fire (I think these are
called wild fires in the USA). They
Why is it that the meter has been tied to the speed of light (in a vacuum)
when we are finding out how variable that constant can be? What was so
wrong with Krypton Lasers?
Johnathan McClure
I did not mean ifp but the American political system, legislation and
'freedom to measure', always giving in to the first whiff of resistance. I
cannot support this type of democracy. Politicians who jump on the
anti-metric bandwagon, as they did in Canada in the eighties, don't do that
because
On Mon, 07 Oct 2002 08:27:54
Jim Elwell wrote:
At 09:55 PM 6 October 2002 -0400, kilopascal wrote:
Yes, you are very right. We talk freedom, but we don't practice it.
Freedom means you can do whatever you want as long as it is my way, customs
and culture.
Yeah, kind of like saying, You can
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