[USMA:54377] Re: NIST Training Course for Checking the Net Amouts inside Packages

2014-09-18 Thread mechtly, eugene a
Ezra, Thanks for the compliment! The current FPLA requires “duality” of labeling. The NIST Handbook 133 (Page 15) requires verification of the “larger of the two declarations. Amendment of the current FPLA is necessary to make metric-only *labeling* a legal reality. However, Metric-Only

[USMA:54378] Fwd: Senator Boquist - Chief Sponsor of LC0044

2014-09-18 Thread contact
FYI  - Forwarded message from cont...@metricpioneer.com -    Date: Thu, 18 Sep 2014 08:53:53 -0700    From: cont...@metricpioneer.com Subject: Senator Boquist - Chief Sponsor of LC0044      To: Sen Boquist sen.brianboqu...@state.or.us      Cc: Rep Boles rep.denycbo...@state.or.us O!

[USMA:54379] Re: NIST Training Course for Checking the Net Amouts inside Packages

2014-09-18 Thread ezra . steinberg
As always, your clarifications really help, Gene. :-) The bottom line for me is whether companies will interpret this new enforcement policy as an unofficial permission slip to label their packages using only SI units so long as they ensure that the amount indicated is equal to (modulo

[USMA:54380] Re: NIST Training Course for Checking the Net Amouts inside Packages

2014-09-18 Thread Ressel, Howard R (DOT)
If I owned a company not sure I would violate the law just because someone says they “wont enforce’ it but some might. It think the impact will be small but it’s a start. Howard Ressel Project Design Engineer NYSDOT 1530 Jefferson Road Rochester, NY 14623 585 272-3372 43,560 square feet in

[USMA:54381] Re: NIST Training Course for Checking the Net Amouts inside Packages

2014-09-18 Thread John M. Steele
But that is a big IF. If filled to 454 g and 1 lb is claimed, 454 g is the larger claim and is what must be check under the current law. However, many packages are labeled 453 g | 1 lb in which case 1 lb is the larger claim and must be checked. I don't see that checking only the smaller

[USMA:54382] Re: NIST Training Course for Checking the Net Amouts inside Packages

2014-09-18 Thread ezra . steinberg
But I thought that the proposal was that a company could package their product and label its weight, volume, etc. only in SI and that the only enforcement would be that the actual weight, volume, etc. was equal to or greater than what was stated on the package in SI only units. - Original

[USMA:54383] RE: NIST Training Course for Checking the Net Amouts inside Packages

2014-09-18 Thread mechtly, eugene a
The table of Maximum Allowed Variations on Page 98 of HB 133 states for More than 426 g to 489 g the MAV is 19.9 g! With that *large* MAV of 19.9 g, why quibble over which declaration must be verified e.g. 453 g, 453.592 g, or 454 g? The actual fill may have a negative error of 19.9 g for some

[USMA:54384] RE: NIST Training Course for Checking the Net Amouts inside Packages

2014-09-18 Thread John M. Steele
However, the lot average must still validate the larger claim via what is basically a student-t test. Therefore, if standard deviation is large, the average must exceed the claim by a larger amount to prove the claim. I wonder if underfills as large as allowed ever occur. It seems to me the