[USMA:30270] Debate over switchover to metric road signs

I vaguely remember that someone (Tom?) may have posted this already, but just in case I'm mistaken, here's the link to a recent article I stumbled across on the politics.ie web site about the switchover to metric signage on the roadways:

[USMA:30375] Re: Telegraph UK

Title: Message Dear Chris, et al.: Does this fellow Philip Johnston still chafe at using decimalized British currency? Would he have preferred that the old system of currency been preserved? How does that square with public opinion on that matter nowadays (among those who had grown up with

[USMA:30478] Re: Irish driving

Here's another: http://www.nra.ie/RoadSchemeActivity/ Note the next to the last bulleted item in the first section, Key aspects of the national roads programme in 2004. Now I'm wondering when those millions of euros are going to be spent actually implementing the changeover to metric speed

[USMA:30625] Re: UKMA Questionnaire - answered by the BWMA

I suspect that the issue at hand is how much Imperial is used in everyday conversations between citizens (especially outside of work). If there is still a fair bit (feet and inches for heights, pounds -- or even, horror of horrors, stones -- for mass, inches, feet, yards or miles depending

[USMA:30707] RE: Fwd: metric signs

I couldn't find the links to the info you are referring to, Phil. Can you please clarify? Thanks! Ezra - Original Message - From: Phil Chernack To: U.S. Metric Association Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:07 AM Subject: [USMA:30703] RE: Fwd: metric signs

[USMA:30749] Re: Usenet Oracle--U.S. measurement challenge

Very amusing! I'd love to see this posted on the USMA web site, the UKMA web site, and sent to the UK press by UKMA members as a follow-up to the Metric Muddle campaign. Ezra - Original Message - From: Paul Trusten, R.Ph. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED]

[USMA:30761] RE: The Container Store

Good show, Jason! (I am reminded of Jim Frysinger's admonition of adding those metric drops to finally create an ocean of SI. :-) I checked Rubbermaid's professional products page and was pleased to note that a number of products listed there (all of them at the top of the page) had their

[USMA:30956] Re: BBC article

Chris, Thanks for the link to the article. It seemed to have something of a pro-metric tilt (or at least not an anti-metric bias!), which I appreciated. I was curious about the sidebar titled Metric or Imperial?. The last bullet item says: Literature and culture - Most authors and TV

[USMA:30959] Re: UK wants to go metric

Of course, the BWMA web site has a poll stating the opposite. I wonder what methodology each party used to obtain their results? Ezra - Original Message - From: David King [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 2:15 PM

[USMA:31029] State of affairs in New Zealand

I just came across an article from the BBC published on Sept 02 (this year) about the metric muddle in the UK. I also read the comments posted online by readers of this article and noted the following: I wrote a thesis on this very subject - people continue to use feet, stone, and other

[USMA:31052] BBC article mixes units in a unique way

Just saw this article on today's BBC web site. As an American I was taken with the continued primary use of stones to measure mass (and was at least a little relieved to see the equivalent measure limited to kilograms with no mention of pounds in the conversions). Of course, the reference

[USMA:31053] More road deaths in Ireland

No specific mention of metric speed limits, but the article does mention the still to be implemented Road Traffic Bill, which I believe includes the authorization for metric speed limit signage. Perhaps this brou-ha-ha over traffic deaths (which sounds like a very serious problem over

[USMA:31068] RE: km/h on speedometers

The latest ruling seems like a serious oversight since it mentions that km/h-only speedometers would be useless in the USA given that speed limits are indicated only in miles per hour. Given this logic, it seems incorrect to allow speedometers labelled in miles-per-hour only since such cars would

[USMA:31073] Re: Irish Road Signs - Changeover date is 2005-01-20

Tom, Thanks for the update. This is, indeed, good news. (I also didn't realize the Irish were so progressive when it comes to smoking regulations, too, Bravo!) While speed limits signs are FAR more important, I'm curious about what the department will do about those pesky remaining distance

[USMA:31091] RE: km/h on speedometers

Does anyone know what the regulations are in Canada? I'm also wondering what the regulations will be in the Republic of Ireland. However, doesn't this business of dual speedometers affect only truly analog speedometers? Are there countries that require digital speedometers to display km/h only

[USMA:31099] Possible bad PR for metric speed limits in Ireland?

Politics.ie is reporting that the date for changeover to metric speed limit signs will not give authorities enough time to review and possibly change some current speed limits. This will create a situation where some of the newly posted metric speed limits will have to be changed again.

[USMA:31131] Imperial still rules Australia (sometimes)

I just listened to a radio segment on ABC and was chagrined to hear nothing but Imperial used. Seems like SI has made very little headway Down Under when it comes to people's heights. (You'll hear this right near the end of the short broadcast.) Here is the link to the web page needed to

[USMA:31187] More evidence of the metric muddle in the UK

Nothing new here, of course, but I did see a show tonight that I believe was produced or at least co-produced by the BBC on the National Geographic channel with what sounded like a UK host/narrator on the role of heat cycles in global weather patterns. Not suprisingly, I heard the usual

[USMA:31270] Encouraging sign in Ireland

I read with interest the latest story in Politics.ie about the new by-pass that has been built to shorten commute times on a major roadway in Ireland. The part the interested me especially is that SI was used to express distance on the motorway, including what looks like a direct quote from

[USMA:31275] Re: Encouraging sign in Ireland

Tom, Thanks for that bit of encouraging news. BTW, since you track this business of metric speed limit signs so well, by when do the signs (or are they using decals?) have to be manufactured and delivered to the Department of Transport to meet the end of January 2005 deadline for conversion?

[USMA:31280] Educating Irish motorists to delay metric sign conversion?

I did a search of the Irish Times and came up with this result: 100% Irish Times Article - 'Education' blamed for metric limit delay Daniel Attwood The latest delay in changing the country's speed signs from miles to kilometres has been attributed to the need to

[USMA:31237] US Market looking for amended FPLA

It's pretty clear to me that many US manufacturers want the option to label in hard metric only. Today I saw some Pedigree dog treats labelled as 150 g (with US Customary following in parentheses). I assume those who are familiar with what's going on in Congress regarding the amending of

[USMA:31249] FPLA amendment will help Canada finish metrication?

I was thinking about the remarks I've read lately on this list about some of the strange "metric" packaging that still appears in Canada because they are simply soft metric conversion of US Customary sizes and the persistence of Imperial pricing and advertising of loose goods in Canada.

[USMA:31311] More metric mish-mash

Sat in my doctor's office today and was surprised to see a British magazine lying amongst the usual suspects. (I think the name was something like "Somerfield".) Anyway, I leafed through it (summer issue of this year) just to see what the metric presence was. Turns out that all the recipes

[USMA:31343] Re: Metric in the U.K.

I think it's probably true that most Americans don't understand how metric the UK now is (despite the persisting muddle), let alone how much more metric Australia is (or even the extent to which Canada is metric despite the large presence of Imperial there, too). My hunch is that most of the

[USMA:31360] Eating a bit of crow

Well, I'm happy to say I saw a program on supervolcanoes last night produced for Discovery by the BBC that was mostly metric. Even the American scientists were mostly using SI (though some used kuh-LA-muh-ters instead ofKILL-oh-meters, including one fellow who used both pronunciations at

[USMA:31368] Mouthwashes conquered

I was looking at the mouthwash section of the drugstore and noticed that since both Listerine and the Proctor and Gamble products (Scope) are now bottled in hard metric, the mouthwash section of the drugstore has been conquered for SI. Now all we need is the amended FPLA and the US Customary

[USMA:31369] Amended FPLA to follow UK example?

Just wondering if the amendment to the US FPLA being considered will create requirement similar to the one currently in effect in the UK where the metric indication is required and must appear first and where Imperial units (or in the USA's case, US Customary units) may appear optionally after

[USMA:31371] Re: Amended FPLA to follow UK example?

That's not quite my question, though. I'm wondering if the amended FPLA will require metric in the first position if dual-labelling (metric and US Customary) is used after the amendment goes into effect (thus establishing the same requirement as is currently in effect in the UK, which requires

[USMA:31407] New metrication bill in Ireland

Switch to metric speed limits delayed and confused - MitchellDate: Wednesday, November 03, 2004Topic: Transport (from Politics.ie)The Government is rushing ahead with the switchover to a metric speed limit system but has done almost nothing to prepare the public for this massive change,

[USMA:31408] Bad PR effects on UK of a botched changeover in Ireland

What worries me almost as much as the possibility of confusion and traffic accidents, even deaths, amongst Irish motorists because of a possibly botched changeover to metric speed limits is the fodder or ammunition this would give to opponents of metrication of road signs in the UK. Of

[USMA:31429] Grey imports

I had some correspondence with the UKMA about the current dust up in the Irish parliament over the metrication of speed limit signs in Ireland with respect to the kind of education campaign that will be carried out and what the new specific speed limits will be. As part of that correspondence the

[USMA:31446] Signage in Ireland

Given the conversion of speed limit signs (and all remaining distance signs) to metric in Ireland, I'm wondering if anyone who lives over there now can tell me if, after the changeover, all official signs posted in Ireland (whether road signs, tourist information signs) and most private

[USMA:31466] IKEA

Thanks for adding the site in Canada. I checked out the UK and Australian web sites, too. One anomaly I notice is that on the Canadian web site they list the temperature at which to wash the curtains they sell in Fahrenheit first followed by Celsius in parentheses. I'm especially surprised

[USMA:31467] Tesco

I went to the Tesco web site today and poked around the grocery section to find their price comparisons with competitors. All of their weights (masses) were listed in kilograms. Has anyone in the UK actually shopped in a Tesco lately? If so, are you still seeing any Imperial signage there?

[USMA:31469] Tesco

I got this response from David King regarding my question about Tesco's signage in their stores. Can anyone in the UKMA respond with regard to Tesco's position that it's Imperial signage is advertsising? Is there any way to find appropriate people to negotiate with Tesco's management to change

[USMA:31471] CBC does better than BBC?

I've just started getting news reports from the CBC (Canadian Broadcasting Corporation) and have noticed that in all the stories I've read so far they have used SI exclusively in their reports. This seems to be better than the pattern I've observed in BBC news stories (other than on science

[USMA:31528] Re: Vehicle Requirements

I'm assuming (can UK folks confirm?) that these are the same kind of Japanese vehicles that have found their way into the Republic of Ireland as well. I'm curious what the position of the UKMA is in this regard while road signs are still exclusively in Imperial. Ezra - Original

[USMA:31553] Re: Digital Car displays

Sorry if the answer tothishas been posted before, but I can't seem to remember how it works in Canada. Are cars built in or imported into Canada required to have all displays show metric (speed, odometer, temperature, fuel consumption) with the option of toggling those displays to Imperial?

[USMA:31569] Re: Is this forum just a joke?

I concur. I think it's time for the list moderator to take decisive action. Ezra - Original Message - From: carl [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:34 AM Subject: [USMA:31567] Re: Is this forum just a joke? Thank you, Rod.

[USMA:31578] Re: that fabled FPLA amendment

Dear Paul: Do you know if this is posted on the Commerce web site (and what the URL of the page where the announcement is)? I will get a special "frisson" of satisfaction actually seeing it in black and white! :-) Erza - Original Message - From: Jim Elwell To: U.S.

[USMA:31722] Re: Road metrication in Ireland

I've excerpted the bit from the Irish Times article about why the metrication of speed limits was being implemented. Don't the same issues apply to the UK? Perhaps someone from the UKMA can respond. Ezra - Original Message - From: Han Maenen To: U.S. Metric

[USMA:31726] Re: Road metrication in Ireland

into the tent by getting official clarification that metric signage (even metric ONLY signage) is permitted? (I realize the full-blown battle of replacing all Imperial signs will have take some time,) Best wishes, Ezra - Original Message - From: Robin Paice To: Ezra Steinberg ; U.S

[USMA:31731] Re: Derry Journal

Title: Message Hmmm, perhaps the safety issue might be a way to get the folks who wrote the Traffic Sign Regulations and General Directions of 2002 to revisit this topic. There is a case to be made to designate Northern Ireland (at least to start with) as a special case and have the

[USMA:31754] Re: BWMA and Irish road metrication

At first I was thinking that a way to surface the speciousness of the BWMA's stance against metrication was to suggest that they would be forced to sing a different tune if the USA actually did convert to metric. How on earth, I wondered, could anyone in the UK continue to insist on

[USMA:31786] Re: More metric in periodicals

From today's Irish Times: SOCCER/Liverpool - 0, Chelsea - 1: The only Chelsea player on fire was Geremi and that was because he had a temperature of 40 degrees Celsius as he nursed a flu on the substitutes' bench. The Premiership leaders failed to smoulder, let alone set Anfield alight. (Nice to

[USMA:31825] Irish changeover

Here's some good news on the metrication front. At the bottom of the web page are alsotwo links to a radio broadcast and a television news segment. Thanks toRobin Paice of the UKMA for passing this along! Ezra - Original Message - From: Robin Paice To: Ezra Steinberg Sent

[USMA:31831] Another article on Irish changeover to metric speed limits

http://www.politics.ie/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=6797

[USMA:31842] Discovery Channel improving

Saw an interesting program on the Discover Channel about mega-tsunamis with waves over a kilometer tall (or even several kilometers tall). Most of the units given were in SI only (even by the American sounding narrator). In a few spots the narrator used US Customary units and a few other cases

[USMA:31850] Nova does even better than Discovery Channel!

Saw a NOVA program today on the Mars Rover mission. The production date is 2005. All of the units of measurement used (the narrator included) were SI only. Excellent! I think we're turning the corner with some of these production companies. I gotta believe that getting more visiblity in the

[USMA:31870] RE: Irish Weather reports to drop MPH

It's precisely this bit I've reproduced below from the Irish Times that undescores the value of converting road signs in the UK in order to finish metrication and unmire the UK from the metric muddle. Here's wishing the UKMA and others success in doing so over the next few years! Ezra Irish

[USMA:31869] RE: Irish Weather reports to drop MPH

But I thought the BBC transmitted weather reports in 100% metric, no? Maybe someone can tell us how UTV does it. Ezra - Original Message - From: Stephen Humphreys [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Tuesday, January 11, 2005 3:51 AM Subject:

[USMA:31871] Irish Meteorological Service

For those interested, here is the web site for the Met Eirann: http://www.met.ie/default.asp It will be intetresting to look at this site starting Jan 20 to see if they really do start reporting wind speeds in km/h there as well. Here is what their severe weather warning at the top of their

[USMA:31888] RE: Irish Weather reports to drop MPH

It will also be interesting to see how newspapers and radio stations handle wind speeds. Here for example is the lead of an article in today's Irish Times: North and west bear brunt of violent winds, flooding Violent winds in excess of 90 m.p.h. were recorded by Met Eireann last night, while

[USMA:31984] Irish Weather has switched to km/h

I looked at the Met home page and regional forecast page (http://www.met.ie) and it appears that they have converted their display maps as of today to use km/h values for wind speeds. (I noticed the jump in the numerical values from yesterday even though I couldn't find a legend or anything

[USMA:32005] Article on Irish speed limits in the Globe and Mail

Here's the Globe and Mail story about the conversion in Ireland today: http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20050120/IRELAND20/TPInternational/Europe Ezra

[USMA:32006] The Met almost gets it right

I wrote to the Irish Meteorological Service asking them to change their indication "KPH" to "km/h" on one of their web pages. Now it reads "km-h". Almost, eh? I'll try again! Ezra

[USMA:32012] Metrication of speed limits article

From the Politics.ie web site: Rushing of metrification typical of ad hoc approach to road safety Wednesday, January 19, 2005 Labour Party Spokesperson on Transport, Deputy Roisin Shortall, has called on Minister Martin Cullen to state clearly why the legislation for the metrification of speed

[USMA:32041] RE: Iriish speedometers

Can someone in Ireland tell us what the regulations are now (and whether they will be changing and when) regarding the units to be displayed on speedometers? I'm asking because I'm wondering if it's legal to have speedometers showing km/h only. If so, it seems like a great opportunity to expand

[USMA:32045] Another drop in the ocean

As Jim Frysinger put it so well, we can always try to add a drop into the ocean of metrication. I have confirmed that RTE has changed their heading on the weather page from KPH (as of the beginning of this week) to km/h: http://www.rte.ie/weather/ Erin go bragh! :-) Ezra

[USMA:32046] All of RTE will use correct usage

BTW, here's the note I got from the Web Administratorat RTE. Who can suggest an appropriate style guide for them to cover all usage questions that I can pass along to them? Ezra - Original Message - From: Jonathan Dillon To: Ezra Steinberg Sent: Friday, January 21, 2005 2:45 AM

[USMA:32118] Metric will get a boost

The New York Times reports that Procter Gamble will acquire the Gillette Company in one of the biggest acquisitions in US history. Given PG's commitment to metric, I can't wait to see what the impact will be on the packaging of Gillette products, especially once the FPLA is amended to

[USMA:32156] Re: Irish road metrication

Title: Message Well, first off, can someone in the UK or the UKMA tell us if there is a legally constituted body in Scotland that could make the decision to metricate road signs just in Scotland? (Somehow I don't think so ... ) Ezra - Original Message - From: Brenton To:

[USMA:32184] OFF TOPIC: IRA withdraws its offer

We've been discussing metrication in Ireland and speculated on possible follow-up in Northern Ireland as well. This is off the topic of metrication but very much related to the situation in Northern Ireland. Anyone living in either the Republic or the North (or in Great Britain for that

[USMA:32211] A bit of unexpected SI in TV advertising

I was watching (despite myself) an ad(vert) on TV for Bounty brand paper towels. What caught my eye was the little text on the bottom of the screen that flashed on for 3 seconds while someone (a hand model) wiped up a spill. The textsaid something like "5 ml of liquid". It's quite minor

[USMA:31845] RE: Discovery Channel improving

it will be repeated? (In the meantime, I'll go to the Discovery Channel website and try to find it by keyword search.) Bill Potts, CMS Roseville, CA http://metric1.org [SI Navigator] -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ezra Steinberg Sent

[USMA:32286] Re: New metric legislation introduced

Has the USMA identified any sponsors of an amendment to the FPLA in the House and Senate to permit metric-only labelling? -Original Message- From: Jason Darfus [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Feb 24, 2005 8:40 PM To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:32285] New metric

[USMA:32334] News about metric signs in Ireland

This article in The Independent (UK) is almost a month old, but perhaps of interest to the list.Ezra Ireland goes metric - fast New speed limits have been adopted smoothly, but there are loose ends in the system, says David McKittrick 08 February 2005 There was some head-scratching and

[USMA:32385] The winds of change are ablowin' ...

Ran across this article on Politics.ie. Other than the first quote, the rest of the article uses "kilometres" exclusively. I tend to believe the changeover to 100% metric on the roadways helps shift Ireland to use metric in all areas. Now if we can only get the UK to "bite the bullet"

[USMA:32404] Thank God for the Canadians!

I realize Canada is stuck in many areas midway in the conversion to SI, but I admit I'm both very pleased and a little surprised that the CBC seems to be so staunchly metric -- and clearly besting the BBC in this arena. The latest example from today's news ... (I guess the only quibble I

[USMA:32464] RE: Four approaches to metrication

I see Jim's point. If the recipe calls for 15 mL and the recipe book says in an appendix or footnote that a typical tablespoon can be used to approximate 15 mL, then it would be a kosher metric cookery book. - Original Message - From: Jim Elwell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric

[USMA:32506] CNN uses primarily metric in article

I'm not sure where this is coming from or what it portends, but I was surprised to see a CNN article (and *not* CNN International by the way) that was not a "science" article use primarily metric with US Customary (USC) in parentheses. My guess is that, since the story originates from

[USMA:32508] Re: CNN uses primarily metric in article

Steinberg ; U.S. Metric Association Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2005 9:39 AM Subject: Re: [USMA:32506] CNN uses primarily metric in article on 2005-03-21 03.29, Ezra Steinberg at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm not sure where this is coming from or what it portends, but I

[USMA:32513] Re: St Lucia going metric

I just wrote to the CARICOM Regional Organisation for Standards and Quality to find out which countries in the Carribean are still using Imperial and which have switched (or in the process of switching) to metric. I'll let y'all know what I hear back. Ezra - Original Message - From:

[USMA:32519] More Metric Muddle

Was perusing the UK Indpendent online today and saw this at the beginning of one of their car reviews: Engine: 1.6-litre Performance: 0-60mph in 12.6 secs, 39.2mpg CO2: 169g/km All I can say is that I wish the UKMA and supporters all the best in finally getting road signs converted to

[USMA:32605] UK DTI brochures on the use of metric

For those who may be interested in brochures that reflect the official DTI thinking and guidance regarding the use of metric in the UK, you can open this web page to find the appropriate links to various documents in PDF format: http://www.dti.gov.uk/ccp/topics1/metric.htm In reading one

[USMA:32608] UK DTI brochures on the use of metric (redux)

with the appropriate EU governing bodies, but I like to think that may be an angle to pursue. Ezra - Original Message - From: Ezra Steinberg To: U.S. Metric Association Cc: Robin Paice ; Chris Keenan Sent: Sunday, April 03, 2005 10:19 AM Subject: UK DTI brochures on the use of metric

[USMA:32716] Discover Channel showing positive signs

Not sure if this is a "one off" or part of a trend, but I was pleased to note that the Discovery Channel offering titled "Supervolcanoes" had the scientists of the USGS using SI (and *only* SI!) in talking about the Yellowstone caldera (even if they did mispronounce "kilometer" as

[USMA:32738] FW: Extent of metric usage in the Carribean

Here is the response I got about what's happening in the Carribean when it comes to metrication. The good news is that no member state is standing pat with Imperial-only usage. Next I'll see what I can find out about how far along different member states are and which ones are following the

[USMA:32749] More signs of rational metric packaging

a virtual certainty. (Yet another reason to get the amendment passed this session of Congress.) Anyone know ifthere are any public sponsors (or at least proponents) of the amendment who sit on the "right" committees? - Original Message ----- From: Ezra Steinberg To: U

[USMA:32769] How are things in the aftermatch of the Irish sign changeover?

Just wondering if Tom Wade or anyone else "on the ground" in Ireland can give us a glimpse of how things are going in Ireland since the changeover of road signs and whether this seems to have had any effect on promoting the use of "kilometres" instead of "miles" in the press, media, and

[USMA:32771] Lorelle Young's remarks in the Boston Globe

I notice that Lorelle Young makes no mention of the amendment to the FPLA. Is this because we want to keep this under the radar until it gets adopted? And has it even been introduced in either chamber of Congress? Ezra P.S. Humble's report is quite revealing. Makes it clear that the one person

[USMA:32802] RE: Another q. on US/Can. usage in metric

Well, thank you for the link. I just learned something, namely: PronunciationThe pronunciation of common metric units is well known, except for Pascal, which rhymes with rascal, and hectare, which rhymes with bare. The first syllable of every prefix is accented, not the second syllable.

[USMA:32804] Another ray of hope

Was watching a US-produced program on raptors just now and was pleasantly surprised to hear the obviously American scientist talk about the roaming of young eagles who leave the territory where they were born in terms of travelling "hundreds of kilometers" and with correct pronunciation,

[USMA:32809] Signs of a shift?

I just read a report on the BBC News web site about the use of foam injections to treat varicose veins: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4510709.stm What caught my eye was a reference at the end to how long an extent of vein could be treated in one treatment -- "half a metre" -- with no

[USMA:32839] Re: NIST's USMS document

Great analysis, Jim! I just hope you're not giving NIST more credit than they deserve. Given that they really are being as clever as you suggest, I believe your strategy on how to respond is right on the money. - Original Message - From: James R. Frysinger [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S.

[USMA:32917] RE: Friedman

I've read some reviews of Three Billion New Capitalists by Clyde Prestowitz (former Reagan economist) that say his book is even better than Friedman's. I pass this along FWIW. Ezra - Original Message - From: Phil Chernack [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu

[USMA:32958] Re: Use of millimetres

- Original Message - From: Pat Naughtin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Sent: Saturday, May 28, 2005 3:15 PM Subject: [USMA:32957] Use of millimetres snip On the other hand, the choice of centimetres in the textile industry gave no such clear

[USMA:32959] Fw: Use of millimetres

Ezra Steinberg wrote: It may not be as elegant as using the nearest submultiple to allow for a single digit to the left of the decimal point and not as much evidence of one's facility with metric prefixes by moving decimal points and swapping prefixes, but it does prevent a strong

[USMA:32984] RE: cm and mm

The way I would boil it down is this: use millimeters in industry to avoid decimal fractions that many folks steeped in Imperial seem to be very uncomfortable with and then let everyday usage determine what to use in conversation about height, lengths of lumber, room or carpet measurements, etc.

[USMA:33095] Re: PS: Kansas City Star

Title: Message Jim Frysinger makes the newspaper! Well done! :-) (Now, if these folks weren't so afraid of teaching evolution ... ) Ezra-Original Message- From: Nat Hager III <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Sent: Jun 3, 2005 3:10 PM To: "U.S. Metric Association" Subject:

[USMA:33106] Tempest in a teapot

Actually, I find myself a bit bemused at all this talk about freedom to use Imperial in the UK. I am convinced that, if the United States converted to metric in a manner similar to that used by Australia, Imperial usage would rapidly disappear from the UK as well (and the government in power would

[USMA:33171] Independent (UK) all metric

Here's an interesting story in its own right about a new discovery of ancient civilization in Europe, but it also demonstrates The Independent's apparently 100% metric editorial policy: http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/story.jsp?story=645976 Would that Tesco see things the same way ...

[USMA:33181] Re: Independent (UK) all metric

rday, June 11, 2005 10:38 AM Subject: [USMA:33180] Re: Independent (UK) all metric On 2005 Jun 11 , at 3:35 AM, Ezra Steinberg wrote: Here's an interesting story in its own right about a new discovery of ancient civilization in Europe, but it also demonstrates The Ind

[USMA:33183] CBC all metric

Saw this story today on the CBC web site: http://www.cbc.ca/story/canada/national/2005/06/11/heat-050611.html The entire story stuck to degrees Celsius. (I wonder how the BBC would have handled the same story, but I strongly suspect degrees Fahrenheit would have shown up in parentheses.

[USMA:33313] Re: A Pound of Bananas

-Original Message- From: Tom Wade VMS Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 21, 2005 6:53 AM To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu Subject: [USMA:33305] A Pound of Bananas You mean he didn't upgrade his equipment which was required under the law. Note that this still didn't

[USMA:33435] BBC-- a basket case?

So, here we are, on the web site of the official British news organization discussing a science event (the crashing of the space probe into a comet for the first time), and every single appearance of SI is immediately followed by Imperial (in parentheses):

[USMA:33496] RE: July 4

I agree with Carleton. Gearing up for a world-wide (and all metric other than from the USA) audience coming to the UK for the Olympics is a good "hook" for converting road signs, ditching Fahrenheit for summer temps, and all the other bits of Imperial that need to go. Ezra -

[USMA:33551] RE: Metric in the U.S.

Title: Message Just to be clear, I think what most folks mean when they say that Americans (or Canadians or Brits) tend not touse metric, they mean that these people tend to use Imperial (or US Customary) for describing length, mass, and temperature. (I think it's fair to say that the use of

[USMA:33778] Bait and switch

Recently I'd gotten spoiled watching nature shows from Australia that used SI exclusively. I believe I saw almost all of them on cable channels that allowed the Australian production companies to stick with SI in their narration. So I was pretty psyched when I flipped over to a nature show that

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