My local Tesco in Grimsby weighs ONLY in metric units for trade purposes (at
the deli and fish counters primarily). Yes, the customer-use weigh scales are
dual marked, with metric as the primary (outer) scale, and imperial as the
secondary (inner) scale. All our other local supermarkets
Boxing Day is a legal holiday in Canada and the UK. Solicitor is used in
Canada, although not as much as the UK. Medicare is unknown in Canada, which
has a federally prescribed provincially run universal health system (e.g. in
Ontario, it is OHIP - Ontario Health Insurance Plan, this was 10
My car, a Citroen C5 for the UK market, can calculate in imperial (mpg) or in
metric (L/100 km). I keep it in metric, especially as I got used to metric in
Canada, where both distances and fuel are given in metric values. My C5, over
the last 7000 km, is averaging 7.5 L/100 km, not bad for a
?
Do you get a receipt of your purchase and is it metric only or dual?
Jerry
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From: John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 7, 2009 10:52
sales in the UK.
Carleton
As John Frewen-Lord states, you will see imperial measurement used for
the majority of UK roadsigns.
Normally, official signs giving distances don't use an abbreviation for
miles. A sign would say York 10 rather than York 10 m, York 10 mi
Paul:
What you say is perfectly true, although the US and the UK have different
reasons for maintaining a perception of national identity (and I will also
include Canada here, as I lived there for very many years and experienced that
country's, as yet incomplete, switch to SI).
In the UK's
Standard guage all over the world is 1435 mm. However Russia (and the old
USSR, as well as some satellite states such as Finland) used - quite why for
totally metric countries - a gauge of 5' 0 (1520 mm). Ostensibly that was
to preserve Russian sovereignty by preventing through running of
When I lived in Canada, we used to do some of our shopping at a large Costco
in Mississauga, Ont, where most products seemed to be packaged in larger
sizes suitable for, and directed towards, the non-retail hospitality and
instutional industries (hotels, restaurants, hospitals, etc). What
The best way for the US to change its date format is to go straight to the ISO
format of /MM/DD. When Canada converted in the late '70s, this was the
official format at the time, and all Canadian Federal and Provincial government
documentation at the time had to follow this format.
of the ISO date format; however,
I prefer to use a dash (-) rather than a slash (/) as a separator in
the date format.
For example 20009-03-10. A dash makes it better readable.
Stan Doore
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen
It goes back to the old message about what sticking with customary measures
really costs the average American. Pat Naughtin did some work on this, and
came up with something like 9% (if memory serves) of the total US GDP. I
once (as an economist - construction) also did some numbers, and
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen-Lord
To: vliets...@btinternet.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 7:43 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA:43685] Re: Metric personal data was Re: 24 hour time
Both my Canadian citizenship card and my Ontario Drivers Licence give my height
in centimetres.
I
I've often thought that McDonalds could introduce metric sizes AND downsize
their portions at the same time. The Quarter Pounder (113.5 g) could become
the Big 100 (can sit alongside the Big Mac).
Where do I send McDonalds the bill for my fee?
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From: Jeremiah
Why try to convert when actually 'on the job'? What does converting achieve,
when you're communicating only with others who are also talking metric? All
this does is (a) slow down your understanding of the metric system (or anything
new, for that matter), (b) increase the probability of
Can I just intersperse some comments in these statements? Some are based on my
own experience, but some are also based on outside observation during the time
I lived in Canada. If anything I say is incorrect, corrections welcome! I
confess that some Google research would have been advisable,
Jerry talked about US isolationism in terms of measurements. Not only the US
as a whole - how about this one (tongue in cheek) from Boston, MA:
Smoots on the Harvard Bridge
MIT students are world-famous for their brains and creativity, and the
invention of the Smoot as unit of measure is no
--
From: John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2009 5:33:12 AM
Subject: [USMA:44142] smoots
Jerry talked about US isolationism in terms of measurements. Not only the US
as a whole - how about this one (tongue in cheek
Who is responsible for the Metrication US website? Is it officially related to
the USMA? All our emails appear on it.
Its tag line is '...slowly getting there, inch by inch'.
I think this needs changing!
1. While (sadly) we may be slowly getting there, we don't need to make it an
In Panama, which is a metric country (speed limits in km/h, distances in km,
most products in metric values), petrol/gasoline is sold in gallones. I
assume these to be US gallons (3.78 L), and are probably a holdover from the US
presence in Panama.
John F-L
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I see why they call it the XL restaurant - the hamburgers and cheeseburgers
are 30 cm in diameter!
And everyone says that obesity is just a US/UK problem?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Jeremiah MacGregor
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Saturday, April 04, 2009
The Nano is predicted to become the next peoples car, not only in India from
where it originates but in much of the less developed world. Euro-legal
versions, with an upgraded spec, are predicted to go on sale in 2010 or 2011.
In India the basic version is to be sold for around £1500/US$2500,
In Canada, butter is packed in hard metric sizes (250 g, 500 g, etc), but is
not called a pound. There a pound is still 454 g.
In the 30 years I lived there, I don't ever recall coming across a 'stick' of
butter - that must be a unique US term.
John F-L
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From:
I've just measured a number of my old LPs, acquired or produced in a number of
countries (UK, USA, Canada, South Africa, France, Germany, USSR). The
European, South African and British ones are all exactly 300 mm in diameter,
+/- about 0.2 mm, no more. The American and Canadian ones are all
Regarding the recent discussions on dual marking/labelling in respect of the
UK, I just thought I'd do a quick check on various items I have in my house. I
have listed a total of 57 items (no connection to Mr Heinz!), these I feel
being somewhat representative of our shopping and DIY
I believe the Bahamas is not (yet?) officially metric. I am a consultant
(rather sporadically) on The Princess Margaret Hospital in Nassau and the Rand
Memorial Hospital in Freeport. Everything is imperial, primarily because so
much, including the building code, comes from, or is based on,
I agree that what this columnist said is utterly stupid. Howver, I think we
can be encouraged by the responses - not one totally agreed with him, and even
those who sort of sympathised qualified their comments by saying that the US is
really out of touch and must change if it wants to be a
If there is any doubt that we live in a metric world, BBC news today has an
article on a new radio telescope array just being commissioned. The article
goes on to tell about an even newer array currently being planned:
The Square Kilometre Array (SKA), which will be based in either Australia
Neater to say 100 MW per square metre?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 3:59 AM
Subject: [USMA:44788] Bushfire Commission
Dear All,
The investigation into the Victorian bushfires began
.)
I am a bit surprised by ASTM. They are one of the professional
organizations that jointly publish SI10. There, they go along with -er
spelling. Not that either is wrong, but they are inconsistent. Do any of the
pages give a rationale?
--- On Sat, 4/25/09, John Frewen-Lord j
The largest branches of the major supermarket chains in the UK (Tesco, Asda,
etc) can have as many as 50 000 separate products on their shelves. I would
venture to say that Jerry's estimate of 90% being labelled metric only is
conservative - probably like 95%. Tesco is huge (it was recently
There is no reason why it shouldn't disappear, now that prescribed quantities
are gone. Depends I suppose on whether manufacturers still think they have an
economic advantage to produce packaging in both metric and imperial sizes.
- Original Message -
From: Jeremiah MacGregor
In terms of progress, I have just come across a Julia Child cookbook that my
other half brought back from the US when she lived there. Title: Julia
Child More Company. Publication 1979 - 30 years ago. The entire book,
some 250 pages, has every single recipe in both USC and metric
What I found quite disconcerting is that the questions seemed to be very
imprecise in relation to the pictures. For example, the picture of the
pop/water bottle, and asking whether it was bigger/same as/smaller than a
liter. That bottle in the picture could have been all 3! I am not sure
Convince him of the economic benefits. If necessary do a cost-benefit study.
Metrication should be seen as an investment into the US's future, not as a cost
for today. Makes more economic sense than bailing out Chrysler, GM - and there
was plenty of money for that.
John F-L
- Original
With very few (and very misguided) exceptions, no country in the world allows a
'free-for-all' in terms of measurement (primarily weights and measures)
legislation, regardless of how 'libertarian' they are. WM has always been
decreed and defined (and never on a voluntary basis) ever since the
This document was printed by the Conservatives for all Constituencies in the
country.
I believe it is inaccurate. While local trading standards officers may be
turning a bit of a blind eye to (primarily) street market vendors weighing
loose food items in imperial units on imperial-only
Hi Pat - thanks for the link. Yes, the UK is in a measurement mess (as is my
other country of citizenship, Canada). Here in the UK, on the roads I
encounter miles (only encountered elsewhere in the world in the USA, perhaps
the odd Caribbean country), yards (encountered NOWHERE else in the
Dear all:
Today's news contained the item that Boeing's 787 is delayed again, citing
'structural problems' in the wing box area, and saying that certain sections
'need strengthening'.
The 787 is of course designed in imperial units - why, only the people inside
Boeing can answer that one.
I think that the fact that photo in the PS article is attributed to Boeing
probably explains a lot
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: John M. Steele
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:50 AM
Subject: [USMA:45260] Re: NASA feedback about metric
Last week we were in Bournemouth, Dorset. We walked virtually the entire
seafront between Hengistbury Head in the east to Poole in the west (a distance
of around 10 km or so). Every 300 or 400 m there is a signboard showing
nearest amenities, plus nearest point of interest. Everything was
evidence that the UK public (or most of
it) is ready for metric road signs.
Ezra
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2009 12:00:46 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific
Subject
Martin _ I remember this 'notice' from many (around 30) years ago (when I lived
in Canada). I had completely forgotten it! Thanks for reminding me of it. I
think all of us where I worked at the time (Canadian Institute of Steel
Construction) had a good laugh when it was taped to the wall
I've just seen this picture for the first time. If you look closely at the
bottom right of each gauge, it looks as if the outer pressure scales are
marked MPa? Hard to see, the picture is not sufficiently hi-res.
If this is true, then the original email received my Michael may just have
I am not convinced! One of the criteria needed in driving on the roads is the
need to provide some form of relationship between speed and distance over time
we that can relate to. If distance is measured in km, then speed needs to also
use km, and km/h is as convenient a measure as any.
I
(or UK?) market.
--- On Fri, 7/17/09, John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com wrote:
From: John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
Subject: [USMA:45408] mix of measurements
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Date: Friday, July 17, 2009, 6
Tom:
You are very right IMHO, but this is nothing new!
See my article at
http://www.metricviews.org.uk/2009/01/20/metric-user-friendly/
Cheers
John F-L
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From: Tom Wade tom.w...@tomwade.eu
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Thursday, July
As a surveyor in the construction industry (and having worked in both imperial
and metric in the UK, the US, Canada and South Africa), something about this
story doesn't quite ring true.
1. In-the-field tolerances are never less than 1/16 imperial (1.6 mm), or 1
mm metric (at least I've never
'
newsletter go to: http://www.metricationmatters.com/newsletter to subscribe.
On 2009/08/06, at 4:32 PM, John Frewen-Lord wrote:
As a surveyor in the construction industry (and having worked in both
imperial and metric in the UK, the US, Canada and South Africa), something
about this story
Martin
--
From: owner-u...@colostate.edu [mailto:owner-u...@colostate.edu] On Behalf Of
John Frewen-Lord
Sent: 06 August 2009 08:50
To: U.S. Metric Association
Subject: [USMA:45532] Re: I blew
I don't agree Bill regarding the USA's abandonment of the æ. There are
words with different roots and hence meanings that could lose their
distinction if you abandon the æ - e.g. ped--- meaning something do to with
feet (pedicure, etc), and pæd--- , meaning something to do with children
I have often wondered what measurement system was used in Hawaii before it
became a US State in the early 1960s. Does anyone know?
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Nat Hager III neha...@msi-sensing.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Cc: Nat Hager
I agree. The quick brutal approach is, rightly or wrongly, the most effective.
Short term pain for long term gain. The persuasive gentle approach has been
shown to not work, and is, as has been said here many times before, the primary
reason why the UK (and Canada) are in such a measurement
Pretty well all recipes today in the UK are metric. All the cookbooks from the
likes of Jamie Oliver, Delia Smith, etc are in metric, as are the recipes each
week in the Sunday Times Magazine. A popular TV series, titled Come Dine With
Me, also gives out its recipes in metric only.
The
I was once told by a very experienced engineer, involved in wind turbine
design, that the energy used to manufacture all these devices can actually
exceed the energy they will produce over their lifetimes. I haven't worked
any numbers out for myself, but it would be interesting to see if he
Dear all:
While I think Pat's poster idea at
http://metricationmatters.com/docs/SIMetricUnitsVsUSAMeasures.pdf is good in
concept, I do have some issues with the actual poster itself. As it stands, i
believe it can, in a general workplace environment, actually do more harm than
good, as it
a certain percentage of the electrical
energy they distribute from green sources, which in fact might not be
directly attached to their transmission grid.
Jim
John Frewen-Lord wrote:
In the UK (and Oz will use broadly similar terminology), electricity
comes from things we call 'power stations
I have seen mt used as an abreviation of 'metric tonne' Still wrong.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Bill Hooper hooperb...@bellsouth.net
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Saturday, September 26, 2009 3:58 PM
Subject: [USMA:45901] Re: Greenhouse Gas
Blair is pro-EU because he has always wanted a prominent EU position - now it
looks like he's going to get to be EU president (ughh!).
As for the UK being the world's laughing stock for clinging to imperial - IT
IS!! My friends, colleagues and family in Canada and Australia really do laugh
at
Canada converted all its speed limit signs in one night. Went to bed, signs
were in mph. Woke up next morning, all were in km/h. The stick on solution
was used - very cheap, very fast, and very effective. Most lasted until they
needed to be replaced for other reasons.
When you consider
I think Robin got the short end of the stick on that. Clark got both the
opening say AND the closing say. I think that Robin should have had the chance
to say that metrication of the UK is NOT an EU thing - which is where I thought
the dialogue was going. Unfortunately, it stopped somewhat
What a pity that they didn't take the opportunity to equate that 100 kg of
water to a 100 L. Or 50 2-L pop bottles if they must compare it with something
familiar.
And 20 m is quite a bit less than 80 feet.
- Original Message -
From: Cole Kingsbury
To: U.S. Metric Association
Pity about the: 1 inch = 2.54 cms
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Nat Hager III
To: U.S. Metric Association
Cc: Nat Hager
Sent: Monday, November 16, 2009 6:49 PM
Subject: [USMA:46174] Monday Puzzle: Conversion Factors - TierneyLab Blog -
NYTimes.com
Someone might
Nice article on the BBC website:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/ethicalman/2009/11/why_cars_are_greener_than_buses.html
All metric. Even the readers' posts are substantially (if not totally) metric,
which is very encouraging especially when it is considered that this is a
transportation article
What's wrong with Citroens? I have two - a C2 and a C5, both diesels, both
untterly reliable, both very strong, VERY quiet, smooth and very 'long
legged' cars (C5 at 2000 rpm is doing 110 km/h). Previous C5 - 180 000 km,
no problems, routine maintenance only. Current C5 - 75 000 km - ditto
I do not know the basis of how all this is calibrated, but 1000 km - when
talking about standard atmospheres?? THINK about it - 1000 km is way above
what close proximity satellites orbit the earth at!!! Not much air up there.
Regards
JF-L
- Original Message -
From: John M.
I think that Americans can thank their Northern neighbours for the invention of
Letter and Legal paper sizes - for once the Canadians got it wrong.
Some years ago, one of my clients, an architectural firm in Toronto, tried to
switch to 'metric' sized paper, as they called it. I didn't realise
Well, it was a bit interesting, if somewhat childlike in its presentation.
Pity that in the last segment, when explaining that there are 1000 m in 1 km,
they sort of treated the m and the km as two discrete units, rather than simply
one unit with a prefix.
Still, progress of sorts!
Frewen-Lord wrote:
Well, it was a bit interesting, if somewhat childlike in its presentation.
Pity that in the last segment, when explaining that there are 1000 m in 1
km, they sort of treated the m and the km as two discrete units, rather than
simply one unit with a prefix.
Still
When Canada converted from miles to km, all the distance-based exit numbers
were of course converted at the same time. I don't see this as being a problem.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Martin Vlietstra
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Monday, December 28, 2009 8:03 PM
And Canada also uses a metric based grid for first responders. My house in
Ontario not only had a street adress, but also a 6 figure grid reference, which
emergency services would use to locate it.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: John M. Steele
To: U.S. Metric Association
.
--
From: John Frewen-Lord j...@frewston.plus.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Wed, December 30, 2009 1:50:17 PM
Subject: [USMA:46331] Re: 144 years to go
And Canada also uses a metric based grid for first responders. My house in
Ontario not only had a street
If the interview was being made for the benefit of Canadian listeners, then
that would be the reason for converting the distance to km - few Canadians
think in miles any more. And the CBC's pronunciation standards prescribe the
correct pronunciation of kill-oh-meters.
Didn't realise that As
Actually, that is a bit unfair on Richard Hammond. He recently did a series of
programs on BBC2 on wonders of our age (buildings, trains, aircraft, etc), and
it was all virtually 100% SI. This was of course outside the Top Gear arena,
so if he says anything on TG not metric, I would imagine
There has been a large US presence in the Phillipines for many years now, so
the use of Imperial units may result from that. I notice that they use 2.5
feet, rather than 2ft 6in, which is how the British would say it.
I notice that further into the article, conversions into metric are shown,
USC do say they are licensing a Skoda design, as well as using some of Skoda's
parts (40% is imported), so that would most likely be the reason. Even
allowing for the mods made for the US, it would make sense to not try to
convert to imperial - no gain, and potentially lots of pain, especially
Canadians know what it's like to be cold.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: James R. Frysinger j...@metricmethods.com
To: U.S. Metric Association usma@colostate.edu
Sent: Monday, January 25, 2010 6:22 PM
Subject: [USMA:46470] Re: Wood and Combustion Heat Values
Sure. Send
In Canada, the R-factor was changed in the 1970s to the RSI- factor, using
the m^2·C°/W formula. The values were a lot lower than the imperial
R-factor. And as North Americans like bigger rather than smaller numbers
for just about everything, only the National Building Code refers to RSI.
Most of our cookbooks that we currently own (here in the UK) are mostly metric,
or metric with imperial in parentheses. A random sample, with ISBN numbers for
anyone who is interested:
Metric/imperial in parentheses:
Vegetarian Suppers - no ISBN, produced by Sainsbury's, a UK supermarket
I believe that the centimeter does have a place in everyday life. We need to
think not just in linear terms, but in areas and volumes as well.
Consider an area 400 mm x 200 mm. Area = 80 000 mm2 - not a practical number.
Or else 0.4 m x 0.2 m - 0.08 m2. Equally impractical. But 40 cm x 20
Forgot to add in my little scenario - the 1 L weighing 1 kg is of course only
for water.
John F-L
(in stones: 14 pounds) will probably mentioned by
some, but the majority of recent ones also weigh in kilograms as well.
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen-Lord
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:47 PM
Subject: [USMA:46734] metric
Re Arizona's proposals to revert to miles on I-19:
When Obama was inaugaurated, he said: The world has changed, and we must
change with it.
Well, he got the first bit right.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Thursday,
I have noticed for many years the ℮ symbol on most packaged products, both in
the UK and to some extent in Canada, usually next to the imperial equivalent of
a rational metric sized quantity. I always thought this was something to do
with the EU (the ℮ representing the first letter of
One doesn't of course 'convert' between centimeters and meters - they are
essentially one and the same thing. This reveals a fundamental failure to
understand what the metric system (let alone SI) is about.
As for mentioning the centimeter, and not the millimeter - Pat N should be
having
have a fear that if we get to nit-picky about some of these little
things, we will only make the metric system seem obscure and difficult.
Jim
John Frewen-Lord wrote:
One doesn't of course 'convert' between centimeters and meters - they are
essentially one and the same thing. This reveals
Ezra:
The Nature of Things used to be presented by David Suzuki, who always did use
metric in the past. Do you know who the presenter was on the program you
watched? Unfortunately, this is one of those programs that don't stream
outside North America.
John F-L
PS We haven't yet switched so
The author got the conversion from FEET TO MILES wrong! He used 5260. It
is of course 5280. If people like this can't get USC right, with its arcane
conversion factors for everything, then all the more reason to bring on metric!
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: Nat Hager
Thanks Ezra - at least that confirms my initial comment, which was that David Z
always did use metric on The Nature of Things.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: ezra.steinb...@comcast.net
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Monday, March 15, 2010 7:03 PM
Subject:
Dear all:
It's not often I agree with Stephen Humphreys, but on this occasion I think
he's right. I once wrote an article for the UKMA Newsletter, suggesting that
we might need to make more use of what I call the 'vernacular' in our use of SI
for the everyday person. That using metric must
Perhaps I can add how Canada's metrication was promoted, at least initially,
back in the early/mid 1970s. There was (and to some extent still is) a great
antipathy towards the USA, especially in the area of what was called the USA's
cultural imperialism, something that Canada's prime minister
The US and Canadian coins (1c, 5c, 10c and 25c) are nominally the same,
certainly same diameter and thickness, but differences in metals used in their
manufacture mean that they are not always interchangable in vending machines
and the like. As the Canadians coins are (usually - current week
- Original Message -
From: John Frewen-Lord
To: ezra.steinb...@comcast.net
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 10:08 PM
Subject: Re: [USMA:47151] Degrees Fahrenheit gone the way of the guinea?
Even the British Murdoch-controlled newspapers, which resolutely give all
dimensions in imperial
EADS (Airbus parent) have confirmed that they will be putting in a bid (for the
third time) for the Pentagon's air refueling tankers, based on the A330 tanker
now flying for the Australian military. The A330 is of course an all metric
plane. The US military I understand works in metric. The
In January 2009, I wrote an article in the UKMA's Metric Views, suggesting that
we have to make metric 'user friendly' if we want to get people to use it in
every day speech. This may mean accepting various colloquialisms. This is an
excerpt from that article, and reinforces what Ezra has
I fully endorse free speech. However, having said that, you have to put that
principle in the context of the forum concerned. Yes, let's have lots of
debate on HOW to metricate, WHO to metricate, even WHY to metricate. But a
discussion on WHETHER to metricate? Doesn't make sense to me on
I've just sent off the following letter to Hammond, cc to David Cameron (prime
minister), Nick Clegg (deputy PM) as well as my own MP (also anti-metric). You
might notice a trace of sarcasm here and there...
Philip Hammond: Secretary of State for Transport
Houses of Parliament
Dear Mr
Paul:
I can't believe what you said in your third sentence - it was tongue-in-cheek,
right?
This of course is the old argument that has been used over and over again by
opponents of converting to metric speed limits - it will be too
dangerous/confusing/hazardous, etc.
All wrong, of course.
From the BBC website today, 2010 06 17:
There was a time when many of Europe's leaders and Eurocrats trembled at the
thought of David Cameron as prime minister. They imagined long painful
negotiations with an administration determined to roll-back the EU's powers and
block mission creep from
I checked some books and magazines (North American and UK). Most type size
(upper case, as well as letters with upper extenders) is between 2.0 and 2.5
mm. Larger for headlines, etc.
John F-L
- Original Message -
From: John M. Steele
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: Monday,
I was thinking about Pat's terminology for old, superseded non-metric
measurements, and looked through all the various terms suggested - WOMBATs,
FFUs, etc.
I came up with SAMs - Stone Age Measurements.
I've found it quite effective - just slightly derogatory without causing
offence, often
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