Actually, the serving size is (usually) specified in both Customary and metric
(the exception being when the Customary is a count, ie 1 cookie).
Further, the form is largely constrained by the government ; the manufacturer
can at best choose from a very few options.
--- On Sat, 2/21/09, Scott
Nutrition labeling is defined under different laws and rules but also by the
FDA.
Note that the serving size MUST contain a metric reference and this is the
serving actually analyzed. It must ALSO contain a reference to "familiar
units" which may include a count.
This is a rare instance wh
Mr. Kelly is being disingenuous (that's "polite" for "lying"). If you read the
literature on voluntary-metric-only at the NIST website, it is CLEAR that it is
voluntary, not compulsory, and that it does NOT mandate round metric sizes.
FMI KNOWS this.
Nonetheless, FNI has opposed and blocked
It certainly wouldn't bother me if it changed in the right direction. Given
what Congress has done to other metric initiatives (highways), we might find
all the nutrition info in pennyweights and grains.
I haven't tracked down all the laws yet, but this FDA guide to nutrition labels
may be us
The law requires the 1 LB 5 OZ version of Customary and permits the "all ounce"
version (21 OZ) as a supplement. (largest whole unit requirement. A similar
version exists for pints and/or quarts in liquid volumes.)
Whether or not that makes sense is debatable.
--- On Sun, 2/22/09, Jeremiah
You may need to look at whether your state adopted the NCWM Uniform Unit
Pricing Regulation verbatim or changed it. However, the situation you cite
would appear to be in conflict with the opening paragraph of Section 2, and
with the entirety of section 6.1 of the UUPR. You might complain to y
You may WISH it meant that the tomatoes would displace 551 mL of water, but the
real meaning in the US is that they fit in a 551 cm³ box.
Volumetric measure here is based on bulk density which accounts for the air
space and shape factor of the pieces, not the intrinsic density of the
material.
There is legislative precedent (or agency rules) that make clear if kilometers
per hour were used officially for trains, it would be represented as km/h.
NHTSA in FMVSS101 makes metric marking optional for car speedometers, but if
used, it must be marked km/h. Similarly DoT in the MUTCD also
I'm old fashioned and shave with a brush and cake of shaving soap. I use
Williams mug shaving soap. As I bought a refill, I noticed they label net
contents in Customary only (1 3/4 oz), no metric.
I sent them the message below via their "contact us" page. We'll see if they
react.
--
It really doesn't matter whether they like metric. Dual is the law and their
label fails to comply with the law.
I can't weigh it to the 40 mg level. At best, I can weigh to the nearest gram,
and that is probably dubious. But that really isn't material either; their
label does not meet the
This may vary by state law. Everybody seems to do it in Michigan. I believe
the unit pricing may be a requirement for the shelf edge sticker IF you don't
want to stamp the price on every item.
Thus it trades one cost for another.
--- On Sat, 2/28/09, Jeremiah MacGregor
wrote:
> From: J
pending on what type of store you are. Do you have Aldi
> stores where you live? The Aldi store that is near me
> doesn't do it. Maybe they are exempt or maybe they
> don't care and no one has complained.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> __
I think stealth will simply increase resistance. In some cases, it will be
dangerous as well. Public "buy-in" isn't a requirement (although
Congresscritters would have to show a lot of backbone to pass something the
public doesn't approve of), but on some things prior notification, planning a
ow much notice and how much public
> education would be necessary ... virtually none. It's
> the protracted discussion of conversion, and dual unit
> signage, that helped sink road sign conversion in the 70s.
>
>
>
> --
"Solicitor" is not a common term here, listings would be under lawyers or
attorneys in a telephone directory. Also Boxing Day is virtually unknown here;
it appears only on calendars that try to appeal to a "universal
English-speaking audience". Those try to list all Australian, Canadian, UK a
I recognize you are making a point and not really asking the question.
However, the numbers hang together approximately for the US gallon, and the
nutritional (Big-C) Calorie or kilocalorie (once you get over Calorie or
calorie, the five flavors only differ by about ±1%).
For an organization
The fires were horrible and I am glad to hear they are coming under control.
Maybe it is just me, but I find 400 000 ha very hard to visualize. 4000 km² is
a figure I can visualize much better. I think square kilometers would be
better for any figure over 100 ha, even if a decimal or two is r
I'm not sure it is the same article (no table in it) but the same newspaper,
and concept car:
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/mar/06/new-kia-no-3-concept-car-stars-at-geneva-show/
The 15 kW 105 Nm rating is the supplemental electrical motor as explained in
the article. The output of
Well,
*The government forces the wine and spirit industries to use metric sized
bottles
*The government forces all foods and "consumables" to be dual labelled in
Customary and metric
*The government supposedly procures its supplies in metric and requires
construction of Federal buildings to be
metric it is with the belief
> that the general public is not ever to know.
>
> Even with the American automobile industry fully metric,
> how many Americans do you think actually know this and
> accept this?
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> From: Joh
As I read the FPLA and UPLR, the metric must be expressed in three figures,
four is not permitted. (There are exceptions for two digits under 100 mL or 100
g, and for unneeded zeroes to the right of decimal. Apart from those
exceptions, neither four nor two is equal to three or permitted.
T
This article
http://www.gvnews.com/articles/2009/03/06/breaking_news/00mileposts0308.txt
reports that Arizona Dept. of Transportation will spend $1.5 million of its
Federal economic stimulus money to remove the metric distance signs along a 100
km stretch of I-19. This will include removal of
I take a softer, more philosophic view. They are likely metric internally,
even if they are concerned about customer reaction. The law allows either unit
to be in first position.
I consider the internal conversion more significant than the label decision.
However, "Net Wt 3.17 oz (90g)" say
If he is "very conservative," he no doubt favors very literal interpretation of
the Constitution (especially 1st and 2nd amendments) and decries liberal judges
who interpret to other than what it says. S, how does he feel about the
section that grants Congress the say in establishing the sys
Pat,
Before the US converted wine and spirit bottle sizes to metric, the legal
requirements were Customary, and the fifth (of a US gallon) was the main size.
All the sizes (both pre and post metric) can be accessed by following the links
to legislation on the USMA laws page. The 750 mL bottle
rom: Bill Hooper
Subject: [USMA:43448] Re: SI in Auto reports
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Saturday, March 7, 2009, 3:08 PM
I am still confused and befuddled!
On Mar 6 , at 2:22 PM, John M. Steele wrote:
I'm not sure it is the same article (no table in it) but the same
My Costco has them too. I refuse to buy them.
Costco introduced a 4 L container in one part of the country. There was even
an article in "Metric Today." However, in many areas they are using the
container but only filling to 1 gallon. The metric marking (3.79 L if I
recall) is consistent w
example I gave came from a bag of M & Ms.
I guess you can complain to the company first and forward them a copy of the
law. If they ignore you then I would ask the USMA who to contact concerning
the infringements of the law. Then you can also complain about your shaving
soap.
Jerry
2009, 5:03 PM
--- On Sat, 3/7/09, John M. Steele wrote:
However, on spirits, the US also requires 750 mL and forbids 700 mL. The EU
appears to require 700 mL and forbids 750 mL. I am not sure whether Customary
is even allowed as supplemental,
In the UK (as in the rest o
NIST SP811 deprecates the use of prefixes greater than one with the liter (and
prefixes less than one with the metric ton. As SP811 closely parallels
ISO31-0, it may have similar text, but I don't have a copy to confirm this.
The FPLA and UPLR both require the cubic meter and disallow the kil
ifficult to pour.
>
> Stan Doore
>
> ----- Original Message -
> From: John M. Steele
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Sent: Saturday, March 07, 2009 4:37 PM
> Subject: [USMA:43451] Re: USC units spread to the UK -
> and no-one notices!
>
>
> My Costco
Are you sure about that? Can you cite a law?
I can't see an exception for milk in the FPLA, and sectio 1461 seems to be
pretty clear that it supercedes state law, requiring less or different
information..
I believe it must be dual labelled and could be sold in either a round
Customary or me
Assuming Wikipedia is correct, the tolerance of 1435 mm gauge track is 1423 mm
to 1460 mm for track rated for 60 MPH travel. I assume lower grade (lower
speed) track is allowed a wider tolerance. Thus, that 0.1 mm confusion in
nominal is entirely negligible.
I assume the tolerance is asymme
As an American who has been there. let me try to answer. UK motorways have
somewhat more distance marking than American freeways. Highways outside towns
have A LOT more distance marking than similar US roads.
Few of the roads are on any kind of a straight grid system, and you frankly
need d
his Railroad
> Engineer forum friend.
>
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> From: John M. Steele
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 12:33:57 PM
> Subject: [USMA:43495] Re: Metric discussion on the railroad
> list (1)
>
>
>
> Assuming Wiki
to metric would insist on being
> there is all nonsense. A 1440 mm gauge would work just as
> well as a 1430 mm.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John M. Steele
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Sent: Sunday, March 8, 2009 1:5
Pat,
In fact the metric rim tires are an example of "just because it is metric
doesn't mean it is wonderful."
There are whole standards behind those tire labelling schemes; those standards
dictate many dimensions on both tire and wheel (mostly to ensure it seats and
seals properly). The metr
> metric would cost $1,131,585,000.
>
> Stephen Mangum
>
> On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:45 AM, John M. Steele
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > This article
> >
> http://www.gvnews.com/articles/2009/03/06/breaking_news/00mileposts0308.txt
> > reports that Arizo
"Other John" here. In the US, the issue would not arise as "MI" is the accepted
abbreviation for miles (although also for the State of Michigan) so it would be
SAN FRANCISCO 250 MI. A lower case exception is made only for metric symbols.
Miles can also be spelled in full or omitted.
You can
;U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 1:37 AM
> I can't cite a specific law about dual labeling milk and
> other dairy products, however they are not dual labeled now.
> Milk comes under special state laws for farm products.
>Stan Doore
>
>
>
>
w.ftc.gov/reports/milk2/milk2.shtm
--- On Mon, 3/9/09, John M. Steele wrote:
> From: John M. Steele
> Subject: Re: [USMA:43487] Re: USC units spread to the UK - and no-one notices!
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Monday, March 9, 2009, 6:57 PM
> I made a point of ch
I also agree that the best change in date notation would be ISO 8601. However,
the slash (/) is not a valid separator of date elements, a hyphen (-) is
specified. Proper format is -MM-DD (early editions allowed a two digit
year in some circumstances, this has been deleted. So today is 2
With a four digit year, and a three letter month, that day of month sticks out
like a sore thumb, no matter where you hide it.
--- On Tue, 3/10/09, Stephen Humphreys wrote:
> From: Stephen Humphreys
> Subject: [USMA:43642] Re: 24 hour time
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Tuesday, M
ISO 8601 is a numeric data interchange format. However, it uses limited
non-numeric characters as data markers, and attempts to preserve human
readability, but is mostly designed for reliable computer parsing.
It does not concern itself with expanding month number into a name, or indeed
any
Interesting. Has anyone ever insisted on giving metric height on either a US
Passport application or a state driver's license? If so, how did it go?
Congress seems unduly concerned with not forcing any citizen to go metric.
However, for those of us who have voluntarily gone metric, I'm not
My experience with American cars has been the reverse. The km/h markings have
always been illuminated at night. Usually, they are more readable than in the
daytime as the markings are normally a less "contrasty" color against the
background, and harder to read by external light. They "come
, 2009 10:47 PM
> Subject: [USMA:43663] Re: Metric personal data was Re: 24
> hour time
>
>
> >
> > On Tuesday 10 March 2009 17:02:03 John M. Steele
> wrote:
> >> Interesting. Has anyone ever insisted on giving
> metric height on either a
> >> US Pa
EVER use metric again, sadly.
--- On Wed, 3/11/09, Pierre Abbat wrote:
> From: Pierre Abbat
> Subject: [USMA:43675] Re: Arizona I-19 losing kilometer signs
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 9:00 AM
> On Saturday 07 March 2009 09:45:5
This was made immeasurably worse by the various Federal rules forbidding
offending anyone who doesn't want to be metric. The USGS does all its geodetic
work in metric, and all NAD83 data was intended to be issued in meters.
Due to state whining, they made a decision that they would offer it c
Almost every brand of ice cream has downsized. Half-gallons (2 quarts) used to
be the standard large size in the supermarket. They shrank first to 1.75
quarts, and now many are shrinking to 1.5 quarts. The obscure compound units,
quarts, pints, fluid ounces help hide the reduction. The met
None of the choices, 1.81 m, 181 cm, or 1810 mm, are wrong. Perhaps one is
preferred and the other two are acceptable (if only we could agree on which).
Europe, in particular, uses the centimeter in clothing sizes and I doubt you
will talk them out of it.
I'd like to comment on a couple of
Yes. Technically that is a date field followed by a time field. One aspect of
ISO8601 that gets a bit unwieldy is that a space is not permitted. In a
combined date/time field, the separator "T" must be used without space. It
will be about 3:45 PM EDT by the time I finish this note.
Properly
Good tip on the CTRL-Space. I tend to use ordinary spaces and then curse when
they break. I'll try your tip.
I'd like to comment on a few of the points raised in your notes and the notes
below.
The space between a number and a unit symbol is required in NIST SP811.
Although it is not ex
t time
> zone Fri Mar 13 9:44am" simultaneously. A 24-hour
> display would be much better.
>Stan Doore
> .
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "John M.
> Steele"
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
>
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009
I checked the passport form (available online). They ask for height but it is
on 2nd page of form and does not seem to make it to the passport. There are no
units specified on the form or in the instructions.
They do not ask weight (mass).
--- On Fri, 3/13/09, Michael Payne wrote:
> From
;U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 8:26 PM
> I believe the metric law of 1866 would give them the right
> to despite local laws that may require gallon fills only.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John M.
manufacture, then
> it is a metric tire no matter what name you put on it for
> the consumers.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John M. Steele
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2009 8:26:16 AM
> Subject: [USMA
ic Association
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2009 9:21:52 AM
> Subject: [USMA:43676] Re: Metric personal data
>
>
> On Wednesday 11 March 2009 08:46:12 John M. Steele wrote:
> > I am NOT suggesting humans are salable. However, if
> we look at the
> > "largest w
ic Association"
> Date: Friday, March 13, 2009, 10:23 PM
> Naked numbers are common on drawings when the units are
> understood. There may be a note somewhere that may read:
> All units in mm unless otherwise stated.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
> ______
of
> 1.42 L they could have made it 1.5 L. Are there any brands
> that are metric?
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John M. Steele
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:29:21 AM
> Subject: [USMA:43707
To be honest, the auto companies are not known for their even-handed supplier
relations.
"You will, or my next supplier will" is the common way of dealing with ANY
supplier reluctance. I can assure you I've said it.
We defeat conversion or acceptance of english units in our CAD equipment.
nti-metric law and site the 1866 law as their defense.
> Maybe if the case can go to the supreme court, then the
> court can rule in favor of metric, thus by-passing the
> Congress and the FMI.
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ___
t; sizes?
>
> So how would you judge rims? As English because the
> designations are in inches or as metric because the actual
> manufacturing units are in millimeters?
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John M. Steele
>
n't believe anyone is doing that
> at the moment.
>
>
>
> --
> From: "John M. Steele"
>
> Sent: 03/13/2009 7:50 PM
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
>
> Subject: [USMA:43777] Re: USC units spread to the UK - and
> no-one notices!
>
Established suppliers were fully metric. Sometimes there were issues when we
had to look at a non-traditional supplier for new technology; training a new
supplier WAS an issue, and the issues were a lot more than metric. A
non-traditional supplier has to recognize automotive has some unique
At best, it is ignoring an Executive Order, binding on Federal agencies.
Reality is that their boss (the Prez) doesn't enforce it, nor have recent past
Presidents and it has been widely ignored by Federal agencies.
The few that tried to honor it (DoT) were handed setbacks by Congress.
The EO
I Have never heard of it.
Having skimmed it, it seems willing to accomodate not only SI units, but also
Imperial, Customary, and any other units used widely enough. Its main
orientation seems to be assigning a TLA (three letter acronym) to every unit so
it can be communicated by Telex (does
I want us to be more metric. However, that Act and $0.50 will buy you a cheap
copy of coffee. In particular look at the way Congress also gutted metric
directives for highway construction and Federal buildings. They speak out both
sides of their mouths.
The gutting actions have the effect
similar, but I can't find anything that clearly spells out a migration.
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, John M. Steele wrote:
> From: John M. Steele
> Subject: Re: [USMA:43815] Units for international trade
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Saturday, March 14, 2009, 11:20 AM
That's reversed. Typical sea water has a density about 1.025 kg/L, vs 1.00
kg/L for fresh water.
--- On Sat, 3/14/09, mech...@illinois.edu wrote:
>Fresh
> water is more dense than salt water; but (extensive) a lake
> of salt water is more massive than a puddle of rain water.
Navigation of aircraft and sail-powered vessels is profoundly affected by the
wind, (and motor-powered vessels are significantly affected). Therefore wind
speeds have traditionally been expressed in the same speed units used in
navigation (knots, km/h, mph) to simply "wind triangle" calculat
This is how metric sizes can be introduced. Instead of
> 1.42 L they could have made it 1.5 L. Are there any brands
> that are metric?
>
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
> From: John M. Steele
> To: U.S. Metric Association
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:29:21
I think that note is an attempt to put positive spin on it.
Am earlier EU directive was supposed to make metric-only effect at year end
1979. The original directive 80/181 was to be effective year end 1989, then
extended to 1999, then 2009; now apparently forever. The US didn't even
require
Well, I can too. FPLA and UPLR specifically refer to the US gallon (231 in³)
and its subdivisions. Marking in Imperial gallons would not be permitted. I
assume the reverse is true in the UK.
At best, outside the United States, it would be permitted only where "gallon"
is a random collecti
ns.
> >
> > Jerry
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: "mech...@illinois.edu"
>
> > To: U.S. Metric Association
> > Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2009 11:36:11 AM
> > Subject: [USMA:43819] New EO
Good clarification. It looks like the main problem is when the US unit is
smaller (assuming metric IS present).
You are safe from our little hundredweight. It is not an acceptable-for-trade
unit for consumer goods (it probably is business-to-business). So it would
have to be labeled 100 LB
The UPLR and FPLA (you have to count the FTC rules) state which units are
legal, "these and no others." You just don't like the answer because it
requires dual, and has to be changed to require anything else.
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Jeremiah MacGregor
wrote:
> From: Jeremiah MacGregor
> Sub
I guessed correctly, but your sump is an oil pan here.
--- On Sun, 3/15/09, Stephen Humphreys wrote:
> From: Stephen Humphreys
> Subject: [USMA:43937] Re: Jerry's questions regarding "imperial" fuel &
> fish sales in the UK.
> To: "U.S. Metric Association"
> Date: Sunday, March 15, 2009,
I agree that kilometers or miles per hour are more useful. Perhaps more
important:
FMVSS101 requires MPH and allows km/h markings
CMVSS101 requires km/h and allows MPH markings
Since neither mentions m/s and both state what they allow as well as what they
require, it is not clear to me that m
We may not like it but the two statements are precisely equal in the eyes of US
law and must be the same font size (there is a minor concession where the
metric symbol uses lower case letters). Either may be in first place, and
neither is more important. The average fill must equal or exceed
A real metric worker would give 110% and repeatedly lift 20 kg. :)
--- On Thu, 3/19/09, Scott Hudnall wrote:
From: Scott Hudnall
Subject: [USMA:43999] Re: dumbing down leads to downsizing? Duh..
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Thursday, March 19, 2009, 12:34 PM
Could be. I work at a a pha
If you consider only positional notation, you are correct. However, I think
you also need to consider which is "rounder", and which is larger. This is
obviously a 1 L bottle complying with US law.
However, the order does say "We're metric and we're ashamed." It is legal to
place the metric
Good letter. Hopefully, it is the beginning of a continuing dialog.
I don't have my thoughts sufficiently organized to write to him yet. However,
I would like to introduce the idea that this is a domestic issue, not just an
"international trade" issue. We have a "measurement divide" in the U
Good detective work.
A couple of questions for the Prez.
*Wouldn't this be "Federal construction"? (and need to be metric?)
*How come the Prez. ignores EO 12770?
--- On Sat, 3/21/09, Bill Potts wrote:
From: Bill Potts
Subject: [USMA:44044] RE: Obama vegetable garden
To: "U.S. Metric Association
The Help file in my copy of MS-Word says CTRL-Shift-Space. A Microsoft article
gives this for Word 1997 through 2003.
In a browser, it appears to be necessary to use CharacterMap, or use ALT-0160,
or in an html compatible context,
--- On Sat, 3/21/09, James R. Frysinger wrote:
From: James
I don't know about that. The Poles should be metric enough to know that not
everything has a density of 1 kg/L, and in particular, vodka doesn't. That
kilogram of vodka should be 1.05 L or more depending on proof of the vodka.
--- On Sun, 3/22/09, Jeremiah MacGregor
wrote:
From: Jeremiah Ma
As an electrical engineer, I have to suggest:
*Rotation is certainly periodic motion. Periodically, the same point on a
shaft passes a fixed point of observation.
*Revolutions per second could certainly be expressed in hertz.
In the electrical domain, a signal is sometimes viewed as a frequency
Pat,
I'm not sure there is any "gaping hole." The radian is the only possible
coherent unit for angle, and is in Table 3, as already noted. The degree (and
minute and second of arc) are accepted for use in Table 6 along with other
"everyday" units like liter, metric ton, hectare, and time un
t;
Date: Wednesday, March 25, 2009, 11:37 AM
John,
Consider the rotation of the wheels of a domestic vacuum cleaner in irregular
forward then backward motion.
Is the rotation of the wheels periodic motion?
There is no fixed point or fixed time interval.
Rotation is *sometimes* periodic mot
This really needs to be viewed as the fraternity prank that it was. However,
it has also become a tradition. The local road authority gave up and allows
them to repaint the Smoot markers.
However, Smoot went on to head both ANSI and ISO in his career. I doubt he is
a defender of Customary.
S. Metric Association"
Date: Saturday, March 28, 2009, 3:44 PM
On 2009/03/28, at 10:44 PM, John M. Steele wrote:
I graduated from MIT a few years after Smoot. All of my courses were taught
exclusively in SI, called rationalized mksa at the time. When a rare Customary
units homework pr
Slow light day? Either the decimal or the prefix is wrong by 1000.
Try 299.792 458 Mm/s or 299 792.458 km/s
--- On Sun, 3/29/09, Jeremiah MacGregor
wrote:
From: Jeremiah MacGregor
Subject: [USMA:44175] Re: The speed of light
To: "U.S. Metric Association"
Date: Sunday, March 29, 2009, 12:0
I don't think Americans have nearly the attachment to the pint that Brits do.
Many bars only serve bottled beer, not draft. It is served from a bottle or
can which by law must be marked in fluid ounces (usually 12) with optional,
supplemental metric permitted; this is unlike every other bottle
I don't think megameters are much used in metric countries, as opposed to
thousands of kilometers. The circumference of the earth is almost always
described as around 40 000 km, not 40 Mm. It is a perfectly respectable SI
unit and should be used more often.
Electrical engineers (I am one) li
In my opinion, roundoff would be FAR less than our uncertainty in ANY
interstellar distances. They are only known approximately. While a "light
year" is about 9.46 Pm/a (depending on which "year" definition you use), that
could probably be rounded to 10 with no great harm.
Much like sea trav
nvented to give mile users a larger unit as it becomes
difficult to have to write so many zeros. With SI you don't have that problem.
You simply use peta, exa, zetta and yotta to eliminate the use of the zeros.
Of course you have to get use to using the names first.
Jerry
From: Joh
Yes, he should use the joule and its multiples. US energy consumption would be
about 106 EJ, using his figure.
I am torn on whether or not he should drop the BTU figure. In the long run, he
shoud. However, in the short term, with DoE, EIA, and the entire US fossil
fuel industry using the BT
That's very interesting. I buy Twinings tea, and I had always assumed the
offerings here were the same (or a subset) as offerings in the UK. After
reading your remarks, I looked at both my own stash, and their website.
The offerings in the American line in teabags are all based on 2 g/bag. I
omoter to my knowledge.
Stan
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From: Pat Naughtin
To: U.S. Metric Association
Sent: 09 Mar 28, Saturday 15:44
Subject: [USMA:44161] Re: smoots
On 2009/03/28, at 10:44 PM, John M. Steele wrote:
I graduated from MIT a few years after Smoot. All of my courses
historical context.
See: http://www.metricationmatters.com/docs/ObamaEnergyPower.pdf
Cheers,
Pat Naughtin
On 2009/03/31, at 12:04 AM, John M. Steele wrote:
Yes, he should use the joule and its multiples. US energy consumption would be
about 106 EJ, using his figure.
I am torn on whether or not he shoul
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