I'm not sure anyone has pointed out one of the happier circumstances of this
potential sale. Sorensen capital and Broadweave are not plunking down $40
million right NOW. They are establishing a rent to own agreement, paying off
the cities monthly bond payments with a small payment to the city. If
I just thought I'd let you know--I went to the Provo city council
meeting last night to discuss the sale of iProvo to Broadweave
Networks.
There's been some recent financial trouble with the iProvo network--and
they're looking to sell it for roughly $4,000,000. As you might
Good job - its nice to know people are getting involved in issues like this
- keep up the good work. btw I'm in agreement with you on these issues.
Devin
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 2:20 AM, Todd Millecam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just thought I'd let you know--I went to the Provo city
I wish I knew about this. I would have been there to pick up another 3
minutes from where you left off. We could have gotten a lot of UUGers there
and really taught them a thing or two!
Robert
On 6/4/08 2:20 AM, Todd Millecam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I just thought I'd let you know--I went to
I, btw-- I made a mistake-- iProvo is selling for 40.6 mil, not 4.
I'm also putting together an e-mail to more fully explain my position
and the reasons for it. The email address I have is
[EMAIL PROTECTED] and they post all the stuff at
http://www.provo.org/util.iprovo_sale.html
On Wed,
I was on iProvo and completely agree. The customer service was subpar at
best. There's really no excuse for it.
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I wouldn¹t say it was terrible. I¹ve been using MStar through iProvo and
have been pretty pleased. A few years ago, I was spending $80/mo for a 1Mb
DSL line from Qwest and then XMIssion on top of that. XMission was great,
Qwest was terrible, it took three years for them to finally say that there
For clarification:
I was with Nuvont, and I had some issues with getting an internet-only
subscription. They offered it, but it seemed no one in the office knew what
to charge me, so I ended up getting charged some video surcharges in the
process. My connection also got knocked out for about a
Todd Millecam wrote:
There needs to be a legal minimum requirement set on bandwidth, both
uplink and downlink for all ports, packets, and protocols.
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd take issue with the government
regulating how much an ISP needs to offer on ports packets and protocols. I
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:14 AM, Brian Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My only consolation, ditch the ISP if you don't like the speeds for the
amount of money your paying per month.
That's the real problem. When there are only two ISP's to choose from
(due to the wrong government regulation)
About government regulations for the ISP-- I agree that usually
government regulations are a bad thing for business. What of other
infrastructure in the city? Are there restrictions on prices for
electricity? water? sewage? phone lines? plain old coax cable?
Provo handles many of these
I'm probably in the minority, but I'd take issue with the government
regulating how much an ISP needs to offer on ports packets and protocols. I
know that I get as furious as the next guy who wants to use bittorrent and
it's selectively throttled, but it's not the government's place to
On 6/4/08 10:51 AM, Todd Millecam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't care whether Provo sells the infrastructure--privatization might
just be the best thing that ever happened to iProvo, and I made that
point clear last night. All I'm asking is that they don't abuse the
lines by giving
On 6/4/08 11:07 AM, Robert LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 6/4/08 10:51 AM, Todd Millecam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I don't care whether Provo sells the infrastructure--privatization might
just be the best thing that ever happened to iProvo, and I made that
point clear last night.
On Wed, 2008-06-04 at 11:07 -0600, Robert LeBlanc wrote:
I think selling out to the private sector is the worst thing that can be
done. Once they have a monopoly, there is no competition and no reason to be
better. All they will do is charge more and cut corners to get a return on
their
B) Abandon the lines completely, and then slowly pay off the bonds over
the next 10 years
In this case, a number of bonds would default--and that would result in
a large number of lawsuits against Provo City--not a very desirable
option, because it doesn't really solve the financial problem.
quote name=Todd Millecam date=Wed, 4 Jun 2008 at 02:20 -0600
snip/
Whether you keep the network or not,
I believe that the financial troubles of the iProvo network are caused
by a failure of ISPs to give a minimum level of service to their
customers. There have been times where they will
On Wed, Jun 04, 2008 at 11:32:01AM -0600, Von Fugal wrote:
I would dissagree on this one thing. I think any kind of regulation is
the last thing we need. Don't make a legal limit of any kind, instead,
open it up so anyone (*cough* xmission *cough*) can step in and fill the
need! IOW what we
quote name=Michael Torrie date=Wed, 4 Jun 2008 at 11:56 -0600
Von Fugal wrote:
I would dissagree on this one thing. I think any kind of regulation is
the last thing we need. Don't make a legal limit of any kind, instead,
open it up so anyone (*cough* xmission *cough*) can step in and fill
On 6/4/08 11:56 AM, Michael Torrie [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Von Fugal wrote:
I would dissagree on this one thing. I think any kind of regulation is
the last thing we need. Don't make a legal limit of any kind, instead,
open it up so anyone (*cough* xmission *cough*) can step in and fill the
Robert LeBlanc wrote:
This is the point that I made previously.
Right. So you did. And probably much better too.
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Todd Millecam wrote:
Actually, it's not too late--the city council hasn't approved the sale
to broadweave--and Mstar is gonna make them an offer. The cut-off date
for the council to close with broadweave is June 30th--if you can raise
objections, and make those known to the council members,
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 12:07 PM, Von Fugal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now here's an interesting thought, why can't they just merge it with
utopia??
Von Fugal
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--- Todd Millecam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
By less regulation the last thing I meant to imply was giving
the whole thing to broadweave. I really think the city
should hold on to it and open it up. Alas, it's too late for
that. I'm afraid the rest of what you say will prove all too
painfully
--- Von Fugal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Now here's an interesting thought, why can't they just merge it
with utopia??
Because that would make sense?
Actually, that suggestion came up four years ago when they were
originally voting on whether to do iProvo. At the time, the
main reasons for not
The major difference with iProvo is the fact that despite being nearly a
necessity, most major communications systems have been provided by private
companies while other utilities are more frequently run by municipalities.
For a long time, ATT had a loosely regulated monopoly for phone systems,
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To: BYU Unix Users Group
Subject: Re: [uug] iProvo stinks
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 07:01:01PM -0700, Robert LeBlanc wrote:
I was really bummed about XMission
I am using Mstar over the Utopia network in Orem (also just off center
street) and though I can confirm that Mstar is a bit lacking as an ISP
(their customer support seemed inexperienced), I have to say that I am
satisfied with my service. When I saw the fiber going in around my
neighborhood, I
Nathan wrote:
Ok, some type of use like that would make sense. But it's still bad
marketing to sell 8, but you can only use 5. It should be, sell 5,
plus you get 3 nifty special-function IP addresses at no extra
charge!
Well they are only being honest. To give you your own subnet you do
Scott Paul Robertson wrote:
Yeah, it's cheaper now, but no better. Service will stop working, only
power cycling the modem helps (which is all tech support ever tells you
to do). That happens a few times a month, if not more.
I've only had one dropped connection which required a power cycle in
I read today that iProvo is having financial trouble [1]. They're
complaining that they only have half of the subscribers that they had
projected. I'm really not surprised. They stink.
IProvo just became available in my area, so I called up MSTAR to see how
to sign up. They said that the city
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Andrew McNabb wrote:
I read today that iProvo is having financial trouble [1]. They're
complaining that they only have half of the subscribers that they had
projected. I'm really not surprised. They stink.
[...]
Are you in wireless range of any houses? They get free
I went and talked to the manager of the apartment complex, who it turns
out has been talking to both Veracity and MSTAR. She's spent hours on
hold and has been treated pretty badly, especially for someone who has
nearly 500 residents. Even though iProvo advertises 10 mbps, they can
only
Andrew McNabb scribbled on Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:34 PM:
I read today that iProvo is having financial trouble [1]. They're
complaining that they only have half of the subscribers that they had
projected. I'm really not surprised. They stink.
IProvo just became available in my
Quoting Andrew McNabb [EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I read today that iProvo is having financial trouble [1]. They're
complaining that they only have half of the subscribers that they had
projected. I'm really not surprised. They stink.
I went and talked to the manager of the apartment complex, who
I was rather surprised by your story. My own experience with
iProvo [*] has been very good. But, I'm not in an apartment
complex, which seems to make a difference.
[*] Note: my good experience has been with iProvo, not with Mstar
or Veracity. I'll drop either or both of those the very day that
To: BYU Unix Users Group
Subject: Re: [uug] iProvo stinks
I was rather surprised by your story. My own experience with
iProvo [*] has been very good. But, I'm not in an apartment
complex, which seems to make a difference.
[*] Note: my good experience has been with iProvo, not with Mstar
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 07:01:01PM -0700, Robert LeBlanc wrote:
I was really bummed about XMission not picking up on iProvo. It would be
nice to not have to worry about their transfer quotas though.
It's not XMission's fault. iProvo established a monopoly for the first
few years of the
: Thursday, February 23, 2006 4:34 PM
To: uug-list@uug.byu.edu
Subject: [uug] iProvo stinks
I read today that iProvo is having financial trouble [1]. They're
complaining that they only have half of the subscribers that they had
projected. I'm really not surprised. They stink.
IProvo just
Robert LeBlanc wrote:
soapbox
I heard that iProvo was ahead by about 25% on subscriptions and that
since they were selling some of their services to Utopia (their IP
television) they were receiving more revenue then they had expected by a
long shot.
According to today's Daily Universe
On 2/23/06, Jason Holt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006, Jared Lundell wrote:
Robert LeBlanc wrote:
soapbox
I heard that iProvo was ahead by about 25% on subscriptions and that
since they were selling some of their services to Utopia (their IP
television) they were
--- Robert LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually it is XMissions fault. They said it was too expensive
for them since they are based in SLC. iProvo has been accepting
applications for providers since before the roll out. Just
because only one company decided to do it at first does not
Nathan scribbled on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:26 PM:
I've had reliability problems with Comcast at my house, and I don't
get a static IP address or decent upload speed. I'd like to host my
own servers for various purposes, which is why I've been looking
forward to iProvo (decent
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 09:42:24PM -0700, Brian Phillips wrote:
About the best thing I have seen come out of iProvo/UTOPIA is that
they are giving comcast competition. I don't mean to start any
political debates, but if you are wondering if a free market works,
just ask any comcast users
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 09:50:17PM -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 09:42:24PM -0700, Brian Phillips wrote:
About the best thing I have seen come out of iProvo/UTOPIA is that
they are giving comcast competition. I don't mean to start any
political debates, but if you
Scott Paul Robertson scribbled on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:58 PM:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 09:50:17PM -0700, Andrew McNabb wrote:
On Thu, Feb 23, 2006 at 09:42:24PM -0700, Brian Phillips wrote:
About the best thing I have seen come out of iProvo/UTOPIA is that
they are giving comcast
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Nathan wrote:
You can get 1 Static IP for $4.95 per/mo.
Or
You can get 8 for $12.95 per/mo (only 5 can be used at a time)
--
Get 8, but ONLY USE 5? What, are they naming the other 3 after my
ancestors, or something?
On 2/23/06, Brian Phillips [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nathan scribbled on Thursday, February 23, 2006 9:26 PM:
I've had reliability problems with Comcast at my house, and I don't
get a static IP address or decent upload speed. I'd like to host my
own servers for various purposes, which is
On 2/23/06, Frank Sorenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Nathan wrote:
You can get 1 Static IP for $4.95 per/mo.
Or
You can get 8 for $12.95 per/mo (only 5 can be used at a time)
--
Get 8, but ONLY USE 5? What, are they naming the other 3 after my
ancestors, or
On 2/23/06, Robert LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Actually it is XMissions fault. They said it was too expensive for them
since they are based in SLC. iProvo has been accepting applications for
providers since before the roll out. Just because only one company
decided to do it at first does
I also got a weird comment about 5 IP addresses when I emailed Mstar
about whether I would be able to have a static IP address if I went
with them when (if) iProvo ever reached my house. Here's the entire
email response:
I could not stand the though of going with Vericity, so I went with
The last time I asked XMission, they claimed that the city had
given HomeNet a period of exclusivity, which apparently was
transferred to Mstar and Veracity along with all the HomeNet
customers. Nobody at iProvo has been able to tell me anything
to the contrary.
When HomeNet bailed, they
On 1/2/06, Robert LeBlanc [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
My payment is $39.95 period. Homenet has decided to move on to other
ventures. You have your choice between MstarMetro and Verocity
(maintains Off-Campus Telecom). I chose MstarMetro for an obvious
reason.
Robert
Lucky. iProvo won't make
How much is the iProvo service... IIRC the provider is homenet?
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How much is the iProvo service... IIRC the provider is homenet?
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Turns out neither dhclient nor pump would get a DHCP address from iProvo, but
udhcpc worked fine. Now *that's* annoying -- I'd have hoped that by 2005 we
could have a DHCP client which would just work.
-J
BYU Unix
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:53:43PM +, Jason Holt wrote:
Turns out neither dhclient nor pump would get a DHCP address from
iProvo, but udhcpc worked fine. Now *that's* annoying -- I'd have
hoped that by 2005 we could have a DHCP client which would just
work.
You're assuming it's the
On Sunday 27 February 2005 11:58 am, Michael Halcrow wrote:
On Sun, Feb 27, 2005 at 06:53:43PM +, Jason Holt wrote:
Turns out neither dhclient nor pump would get a DHCP address from
iProvo, but udhcpc worked fine. Now *that's* annoying -- I'd have
hoped that by 2005 we could have a
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