Brilliant, as ever.
I did not intend to send you a note asking for your interest in the
site. I sent a note out saying that to prevent spammers joing us from
now on all new members must be approved by me, and therefore I ask THEM
to provide me with some info. Sorry if there was co
It is a superb book, and mine has been used often with my students. A
wonderful contribution, John. I can't believe it is online for free. An
even more wonderful contribution!
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I use the 2nd finger on the 2nd course, and the first finger on the
other two courses. I have no problem with the open first string
sounding. I show beginner-ish students this technique and invariable
they can't bend their first finger inwards at the first joint, but some
who have pl
Very good, Eugene. I buy a mandolin, and you buy a vihuela. The world
keeps turning...
Enjoy it - an amazing repertoire.
Rob
2009/10/1 Eugene C. Braig IV <[1]brai...@osu.edu>
Greetings fellow punteadophiliacs:
Nothing to tickle your scholarly mental muscles, b
Your page seems to be working now. 'Jane' got removed some time ago.
She comes back in various guises but I have managed to remove her each
time. She also visits other ning groups.
All seems OK for the present.
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Baroque Guitar by Alexander Batov. Flat back, 67cms string length.
Aquila gut strings, nylgut set in Kingham professional case. Used on
recordings and videos by Rob MacKillop. MP3 files on
[1]www.SongOfTheRose.co.uk and YouTube videos at
[2]http://www.youtube.com/user
Clearly it came down to personal preference, with some players liking
it, some not - and the same is true today. Ralph makes a good case for
it. I, on the other hand, would make a bad case for it - I just can't
get it to sound appropriate. Thankfully it is not essential, and
players
Very useful, David, and sensible. I like the way you show the voice
movement in the tab part - bar 30, for instance, now makes much more
sense. Any chance of a sound file?
I'll provide a link from my vihuela site.
Rob
2009/6/1 David van Ooijen <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
Well, that was a nice trip to the 100 acre wood, gloomyguts ;-)
We want more!
Rob
2009/5/24 Stuart Walsh <[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
From the Buxheim Orgelbuch (= plucked duo, as well as organ?). Some
technical issues - but anyway, here's 'Ein buer gein holtze' by
J
And now I've added an mp3 of the Francesco da Milano original (Ness 15)
which Valderabbano used as the basis for his Soneto primero grado 92a
[1]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm
Makes for an interesting comparison.
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2009/5/23 Stuart Walsh [1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com
I think it should be several notches faster...and so, quite a tricky
piece. Just my opinion, of course, and open to debate on the matter!
You are playing it at quite a lick already, Stuart. I'm not sure if the
ability to play seve
Now, where did I read that before? As soon as you mentioned it, John, I
remembered it from somewhere deep in the windswept vaults. Does anyone
know which ones?
I was beginning to get turned on to Valderrabano - his songs
are wonderful - but now find out he is a plagiarist!
R
You have the score upside down, Stuart...
;-)
Rob
2009/5/23 Stuart Walsh <[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
Rob MacKillop wrote:
I've uploaded four of Valderrabano's 'primero grado' sonetos:
[1][2]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm really ex
I've uploaded four of Valderrabano's 'primero grado' sonetos:
[1]http://www.vihuela.eu/study.htm really excellent fantasias and
nowhere near as difficult as those by Fuenllana, Narvaez, Mudarra, etc.
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That's easy for you to say...
2009/5/23 Nelson, Jocelyn <[1]nels...@ecu.edu>
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Well, I'm glad we got to the bottom of that. Thanks John.
Is it the earliest mention of a of a vihuela (1330)?
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Thanks, Stuart. I've heard quite a bit of music like that, and enjoy
improvising it as well. I'm sure you are right in that similar things
were done on the vihuela. I imagine all those examples from Ortiz could
be adapted too. I've played vihuela with a viol consort, and although I
c
Thanks, Monica. A free translation indeed.
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I found the quotation on Google Books:
[1]http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=Hah-dlM2sn0C&pg=PA108&lpg=PA108&d
q=vihuela+de+pendola&source=bl&ots=JcAkxkFIeU&sig=wEj8-fm5bSLF1lokbQK0y
Cnpauc&hl=en&ei=4OwWSuyFF5DQjAep0qiBDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&re
snum=6
or [2]http://ti
o the medieval citole?
Are there any images which clearly show the pendola in use?
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Doubtless, someone else would play it very differently, and you must
find your own way eventually, but hopefully this will help.
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Thanks to everyone. I have located a copy of Charles Jacobs' A Spanish
Renaissance Songbook.
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Is there a modern edition of Narvaez's songs? I started to do my own,
but I'm finding it difficult reading the words. I am using the CDRom
edition which reproduces the red ink for the voice parts, but the words
are very difficult to read.
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ems at all. Lots of new stuff. Thanks.
Stuart
On May 10, 2009, at 12:57 AM, Rob MacKillop wrote:
I couldn't open the file, Rocky. I downloaded it twice. Same
problem -
a window saying the file was corrupted. Anyone else have this
problem?
Normally I have n
I couldn't open the file, Rocky. I downloaded it twice. Same problem -
a window saying the file was corrupted. Anyone else have this problem?
Normally I have no such problems with your pdfs.
Rob
2009/5/10 Mjos & Larson <[1]rockype...@earthlink.net>
I have uploaded an update
French tab as well??!! What is happening to you, Monica? Pandering to
the unwashed?
Rob
2009/4/25 Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
I am pleased to announce that I have revised my pieces by
Foscarini on
my [1][2]www.earlyguitar.ning.com site. I have added
It is indeed open to all, except the Forum or uploading videos - non
members can still play the videos. Private messages can only be sent
between members.
There should be no problem with the pdf - I signed out and then
downloaded the pdf without a problem. Anyone else not able to
Well done, Monica. Good work, as usual. Maybe Rocky could give you some
formatting tips?
Rob
2009/3/26 Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
I have just uploaded my edition of 13 pieces by Playford arranged
for
5-course guitar in the Princess Anne book to my
Looks like I'll need to propose Volume 2...
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From David Johnson's 'Music and Society in Lowland Scotland' [OUP 1972
- but there is an updated reprint from - I think - two years ago]. I've
copied all the spellings from this book.
The entries [from Lady Grisell Bailie (1665-1746)] date from 1701 to
1714...
To Grisies (th
I have it somewhere, but will have to get back to you. His name is in
her account books.
Rob
2009/2/18 Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
That's interesting - tell me more. When did he arrive in Scotland.
Monica
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2009/2/18 Monica Hall <[1]mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk>
Rob might like to know that in 1702 Kremberg was lute teacher to the
children of Lady Griseli Baillie of Mellerstain House in
Berwickshire.
As was Sainte Colombe the younger...
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Thanks to everyone who wrote encouraging words, both privately and to
this list. The first day went very well indeed. The house is perfect -
a beautiful acoustic, so NO REVERB will added. As anyone who has done a
recording will know, it takes an inordinate amount of time to set up
mi
h The snow is falling heavily. The birds will be quiet, and
hopefully the airport will shut down. Wish me luck!
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My Hero!
Rob
2009/2/9 Mjos & Larson <[1]rockype...@earthlink.net>
I have uploaded a collection of about 20 Kremberg pieces to my Ning
group page:
[2]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/
This edition is mostly guitar settings of songs, but a few pieces
have voice and B
ke no assumption that any of you would want my videos on your
iGoogle page, but you never know. My wife is not the only crazy person
in the world...but this is an experiment. So far it worked easily for
me and her. I would be interested to know if there are any problems.
Rob MacK
I've moved my vihuela pages - and reformatted some of them - to a
dedicated site: [1]http://www.vihuela.eu Please let me know if there
are any problems or ommissions.
Cheers,
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la prattica musica vocale, et strumentale
(Bologna,
Forni Editore, 1969). Probably long out of print.
Regards,
Michael
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e same intervals, but with the
fourth string down an octave.
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atch?v=puSkP3uym5k
(I assume most people would call this 'Early music' in another
sense)
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[1][3]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke
My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be
drawin
Please forgive me!
[1]http://www.youtube.com/user/baroqueuke
My first instrument - when I was eight years old...my life must be
drawing full circle...and coming to an end!!! Hopefully not for a
while...
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Beautiful website and wonderful performances. The two-vihuela lineup
will allow you to make new arrangements. Very exciting. Good luck with
the new ensemble.
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Removed already?
Rob
2009/1/10 Stuart Walsh <[1]s.wa...@ntlworld.com>
I've put a couple of little pieces in A minor by Graf Logy ...or
Losy ..or whatever his name is:
[2]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=AlFRlm97MTI&feature=channel_page
Stuart
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Did you do some Pete Towshend-like windmill strums, and then smash the
guitar over the baptismal fount?
Rob
2008/12/29 David van Ooijen <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>
Slightly OT.
Yesterday I was playing baroque guitar in he opening choir of the
fifth cantata of Bach'
I see it as a student guitar. I've known a few students who have had an
interest in playing the repertoire on an appropriate instrument, but
the cost has been prohibitive. The 63cms string length is appropriate.
I don't know what the braceing is. Aria make good instruments for the
pr
m/int/03_products/pro_ag_a19c_200n.html
Great price and colour but available in nylon or steel strings (!).
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2008/12/12 Joshua Horn <[3]hornjoshu...@gmail.com>
If I do use a capo on 3rd, should my G be tuned to F#? before I
put it
on, or not? - I'm pretty much completly new to Lutes and Vihuela's
and
pretty much all early music.
Ah, OK. Not many minor seconds in the bass register of vihuela pieces,
but I get your point. On a piano is just sounds muddy, not more
dissonant, to my ears. I don't think playing a guitar in E or G would
make much difference.
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Sounds an interesting comment to me too, Gary. Please explain.
Rob
2008/12/12 Arto Wikla <[1]wi...@cs.helsinki.fi>
gary digman wrote:
There may be a reason to be concerned about whether one is tuned in
"E", "G" or "A". Dissonances become more dissonant as pitch is
l
Changing the subject only slightly...what is the earliest citation or
image for a capo?
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there were vihuelas in E, but I think pitch is less important than
a clear sound.
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All fascinating stuff, guys. Any comments on improvising preludes?
Rob
2008/12/8 Trond Bengtson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
The title of the pop song is: Yes, my darling daughter.
There is a nice version on Youtube.
[2]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVDl689v6iE
Tro
Nice performance, Stuart. I'll get around to recording the GG version
soonish...
Rob
2008/12/7 Stuart Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Roman Turovsky wrote:
It is a late 18th century Ukrainian popular song-tune, much (ab)used
in vaudeville from 1800 on, with cheesy texts.
images/poljubyla.pdf ?
RT
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Subject: [VIHUELA] Preludes, Cadences and Composition for Guitar
I&
I've just uploaded a new essay, Preludes, Cadences and Composition for
Guitar in 19th-Century Teaching Practice to
[1]http://www.sorstudies.co.uk/preludes.htm.
It includes a sound file and links to free scores.
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I've created a new website devoted to Fernando Sor and 19thC guitar
performance practice. Just a few sound files, one video and a few
essays there at the moment, but much more planned:
[1]www.sorstudies.co.uk
The video can also be seen on the vimeo site:
[2]http://www.vimeo.com
Both books are very expensive. I'll just buy new strings instead...
Rob
2008/11/28 Alexander Batov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
There are some nice pictures but don't expect much of the text ;)
And you are right, it's certainly hugely overpriced for what it
gives ...
If I w
Looks good, but very expensive:
Without making any claims in historical or musicological terms, we
dedicate the first book in the series to guitar artisans, the luthiers
who invented the instrument. From 1650 to 1950, from Voboam to Bouchet,
by way of Pons, Lacote and Laprevotte,
Fernando Sor
Rob
2008/11/22 Martyn Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Rob,
Interesting but I can't seem to open this link
regards
Martyn
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have the same bass notes, but one neck has gut strings, the other
wire-covered silk - a strange and subtle thing to devise. Apparently
the repertoire by Sor is among his best...we shall see...
Anyone have more info?
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Thanks, Monica.
Rob
2008/11/14 Monica Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For those of you who are interested in Murcia, Alejandro Vera has
another article about him in the November issue of Early Music.
He has uncovered a lot of biographical information about Murcia -
Nicely played, Stuart. Sounds familiar, but can't place it. It's going
to bug me all day now!
Rob
2008/11/11 Stuart Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Arthur Ness wrote:
Stuart and Rob,
I thought Rocky did a nice job, too. What do you make of the "Wusch
Englisch" or "Vu
The ning vihuela and early guitar site
[1]http://earlyguitar.ning.com/ now has a Chat Room. If you ever feel
like chatting to your vihuela buddies, drop in. The coffee is good!
Well, it has something to do with Java...
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listen to anything I said. He sounded
like a 14-year old. I refused to take part in the programme. My fears
were justified.
Looking forward to Part 2!
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Bravo, Monica. Excellent stuff, as usual. Makes me want to play
Bartolotti. Thanksalotti...
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What's not 'serious' about folk music?
Rob
2008/9/26 Michael Gillespie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I was wondering... when (with who) did study of the early guitar
become
more serious. Sanz used spanish folk melodies where as de Visse
was the
"royal guitarist," tha
Stuart,
I think it would unfair and unreasonable for anyone to answer for
Gordon. I'm sure he would be happy to hear from you. His email address
is on his website, [1]www.gordonferries.com and is
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He pretty much plays it the same way on the CD, with some wild ba
2008/9/24 Stuart Walsh [EMAIL PROTECTED]
What Gordon is doing is a bit puzzling and I thought it was worth
talking about. What's your problem with that?
Nothing. What do you want to discuss?
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I wasn't upset, Josh. It will take more than that to upset me. Good
luck with it all. You asked for feedback, and I gave you some.
Rob
2008/9/24 Josh Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To all,
For those whom I might of offended with my demonstration tuning
video, I apologize. Tha
Truly awful, Josh. Learn to respect tradition a little - you might
learn WHY lute players tuned the way they did for their music. As 100
per cent of 6c lute repertoire was written in tablature form, your new
tuning leaves you with a huge problem. You will have to transcribe
everythin
ot;Eugene C. Braig IV" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
A fine player! I've enjoyed these as I have his CDs. Thanks for
sharing. Is there a 4-course recording in the works?
Best,
Eugene
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Oh, ye of little faith...alre
float...
Many players use a strap.
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2008/9/22 Josh Horn <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Hi all,
I am curious as to wether your Vihuela or Guitar should be resting
on
your left or right knee when playing traditional music. Is this
the
proper positi
I would call that a theorboed guitar...
Rob
2008/9/17 Michael Gillespie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Archguitar...
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I've placed a pdf of the scores here:
[1]http://www.rmguitar.info/temp.htm
Rob
2008/9/11 Michael Gillespie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
What kind of notation are you reading? Are the basses marked /a
//a
///a 1,2,3 so on?
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2008/9/11 Rob MacKillop <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
OK, here is the video:
[3]http://tinyurl.com/5cgkdv
The instrument will
I've just noticed that immediately below the video on its right-hand
side is a link - 'watch in high quality' - it really does make a
difference.
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and leaving it with me
whilst he has gone off on holiday to the west coast.
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You were right to mention it, David. I just feared it would trigger a
thread we have been over before.
Cheers,
Rob
2008/9/10 David van Ooijen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Rob wrote:
> We've been over the gut/string-length issue rather too many times
here, for
Sorry, apparent
We've been over the gut/string-length issue rather too many times here,
for me at least, but feel free to hack it out again if you so wish,
gentlemen. I'm more interested in WHY anyone would go to the trouble of
adding all those extra strings at the upper octave? There is only one
ba
The basses would not necessarily have been gut, Martyn...but you might
be right about the octaves. They would still work, musically, as bass
lines. Can't see the point of it though. Maybe there was a difference
between strings for the theorboed guitar shape and the archguitar lute
sh
tring length of the
basses? I would have thought it needed to be around 160cm to get a
reasonable sound from a plain gut low A, string but I'm not sure
that any theorboed guitar had basses so very long.
Martyn
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and does this work for you?
Martyn
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> Subject: [VIHUELA] arch-guitar
> To: "Vihuela" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Date: Sunday, 7 September
Just received the arch-guitar from Wolfgand Emmerich. I have one week
to master it (!) before he takes it back to Germany. It is a well-made
instrument, but everytime I try to play something, I can't help
thinking I am in archlute tuning. I have some Gallot - but that is in a
weird t
ously as a
Retreat. All other versions I've seen are in C Major. Does Pollet
mention any of this?
Rob MacKillop
2008/8/28 Stuart Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
For anyone who is interested I have added quite a bit more to my
sort-of-blog/website about some pieces in Fosca
your reconstruction of this vihuela - a memorable
experience.
Rob macKillop
2008/8/26 Alexander Batov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
My long promised update for one of the pages dedicated to the Dias
vihuela:
[1][2]http://www.vihuelademano.com/vgcrossroads.htm
It'
e courses and could be adapted into a
reasonable-quality student baroque guitar. Maybe someone else could
chime in here.
Good luck finding a teacher. If you have any more questions, just ask.
Rob MacKillop
[3]www.songoftherose.co.uk (has some baroque guitar videos)
2008/
Well, it is certainly a baroque guitar with a lute bowl, but a
'chitarrone francese' would have diapasons, hence 'chitarrone'. Very
interesting, though!
Again, a good price.
Rob
2008/8/24 Peedu Timo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Would this then be a Chitarra Francese?
[2]http:/
I know of three original guitars that look like Faria's. The first
one
is even for sale:
[1]http://www.renard-music.com/selectficheinstrument.php3?148
Wow, 8,000 euros is a good price for something so old and so unique.
People pay a lot more for crap Gibsons from the
he means the
Conservatorio Library in Florence or an obscure library in France.
Has anyone else seen this copy? It also seems that Granata applied
to be a super numerary lutenist to the Concerto Palatino of San
Petronio in Bologna.
Monica
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f the original painting on
Wolfgang's website:
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archlute and scroll down.
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inking of Lachimagry (sp? f. 106v ?) and Machinaery (sp? 49r
?) which are a bit Irishy/Scottish sounding. (Ooh, I hope that
doesn't offend.) Might there be others in that manuscript?
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I'm looking for baroque
2008/8/18 Martyn Hodgson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Rob,
Other than these two, the only others which come to mind are in a
sense all pieces in Corebetta's 1671 book dedicated to the Stuart
monarch. In particular there's a nice sarabande: La Stuart (f. 71)
and the preceding Al
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