[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-11 Thread Monica Hall
Grove 1980 vol 15:71 speaks of English usage. As a non-English speaker I see different options: - Usage in England - In the English language, not limited only to places where English is spoken. I am not quite sure what point you are making here. English usage refers to all places where

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-10 Thread Monica Hall
Thank you - I hope we can all settle with this definition. But, trying to bring back this discussion to it's starting point, doesn't this mean that Lex' use of the term (the polyphonic nature of Bartolotti's music) wasn't nearly as unapropriate as Monica claimed? But maybe as a non-native

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:15 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint Thank you - I hope we can all settle with this definition. But, trying to bring back this discussion

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
, February 10, 2011 9:24 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint The terms are quite interchangeable in other languages, and according to Wikipedia polyphony tends to desribe PRE-BAROQUE music, and counterpoint tends to describe POST-RENAISSANCE one. Which would make Bartolotti

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-10 Thread Franz Mechsner
Hi, I really love this list, but when it comes to exchanges between Monica and Lex, as it happens time and again on whatever issues, it seems to me that I have to watch war-movies rather than a discussion between people who love their subject and are equally happy to learn and

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-10 Thread Monica Hall
- From: Monica Hall mjlh...@tiscali.co.uk To: R. Mattes r...@mh-freiburg.de Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 9:15 AM Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint Thank you - I hope we can all settle with this definition. But, trying to bring back

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-10 Thread Roman Turovsky
: [VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint The terms are quite interchangeable in other languages, and according to Wikipedia polyphony tends to desribe PRE-BAROQUE music, and counterpoint tends to describe POST-RENAISSANCE one. Which would make Bartolotti firmly contrapunctal, wouldnit? Yes

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-10 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
Grove 1980 vol 15:71 speaks of English usage. As a non-English speaker I see different options: - Usage in England - In the English language, not limited only to places where English is spoken. From the context I understand that the first option is intended. Could anyone with better skills

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-09 Thread Roman Turovsky
That's true, but - Composition studies include COUNTERPOINT, but not polyphony, and the former is meant as an all-encompassing term that includes the latter as a subcategory. RT - Original Message - From: Stewart McCoy lu...@tiscali.co.uk To: Vihuela List vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-09 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 19:33:21 -, Stewart McCoy wrote Dear Lex, It is true that some people may use the words polyphony and counterpoint interchangeably, but if there has to be a distinction between the two words, one should consider their etymology. Why? How can the etymology of a term

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-09 Thread Nelson, Jocelyn
Dear Roman, Stewart, Ralf, and List, After slaving away at teaching music history students and working in tandem with my theory/composition colleagues for around a decade, I'd like to say that all the texts and articles I've used in English (I'm currently using the

[VIHUELA] Re: Polyphony and counterpoint

2011-02-09 Thread R. Mattes
On Wed, 9 Feb 2011 17:06:37 -0500, Nelson, Jocelyn wrote Dear Roman, Stewart, Ralf, and List, Dear Jocelyn, After slaving away at teaching music history students and working in tandem with my theory/composition colleagues for around a decade, I'd like to say that all the texts and