[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Thank you for this summary of your views Lex. After reading it I went to Corbetta 1648 and, indeed, the style of writing (especially the use of chords on the three 'lowest' courses) does seem rather different to his post 1671 stuff. I had previously thought this was a just a stylistic (ie ea

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta

2005-09-04 Thread Monica Hall
> > Have a look on p. 71 of the same book, LGR, last full bar of the > > second line. Do you suppose the dot above the d cipher on the 4th > > course means to leave that particular note out while still > > maintaining a barre? Otherwise you have the resolution note sounding > > against a dominant c

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Monica Hall
I don't seem to have received Lex's latest message. Perhaps I have been black-balled. Can you send it again? Sanz says that guitarists in Rome use only thin strings. He doesn't comment on what guitarists elsewhere in Italy did - presumably because he didn't know. But Foscarini, Bartolotti and

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta

2005-09-04 Thread Monica Hall
I have a much clearer print out of the copy in the British Library and this dot is not visible in it! I'd want to look at the original before commenting! Monica > > > Have a look on p. 71 of the same book, LGR, last full bar of the > > > second line. Do you suppose the dot above the d cipher

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Monica Hall
Maybe Lex forgot to send it to the list? > Thank you for this summary of your views Lex. > > After reading it I went to Corbetta 1648 and, indeed, the style of writing (especially the use of chords on the three 'lowest' courses) does seem rather different to his post 1671 stuff. I had previously

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Monica Hall
I don't know whether Lex is referring to the scordatura pieces (I can't spot any three part chords on the lower courses eslewhere - but I haven't got much time to look at present). But the notes which fall on the 5th course and which appear to belong to the bass part in all these passages actually

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
After my message below Monica Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:Date: Sun, 4 Sep 2005 15:04:35 +0100 To: "Martyn Hodgson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> CC: "vihuela" From: "Monica Hall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses Maybe Lex forgot to send it to the list? > Than

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Bit of confusion reigning here I suspect: it was me that mentioned three part plucked chords on the 'lowest' three courses in Corbetta 1648 eg page 72, 3rd system, 2nd bar (I presume the 'melody' is on the fourth course - ie fall on fret 3 to 1 on first course in 1st bar and thence onto fret 1[w

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Yes - I did, of course, discount examples where the melody is clearly on the 5th course. Naturally with these tunings and the style of play it's difficult to be certain but page 72 is 'normal' interval tuning and, as I mentioned earlier, the melody here is on the fourth course. M Monica H

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta - low basses

2005-09-04 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
> > Just for clarification: when recommending the re-entrant tuning doesn't Sanz (1674) remark that earlier guitarists (esp in Italy) used it? Presumably this from his earlier time in Rome where he met Colista, Corbetta, Granata and thus, one supposes, based his observation on a direct recollectio

[VIHUELA] Re: Foscarini/Corbetta

2005-09-04 Thread Lex Eisenhardt
> Have a look on p. 71 of the same book, LGR, last full bar of the > second line. Do you suppose the dot above the d cipher on the 4th > course means to leave that particular note out while still > maintaining a barre? I don't think it is a dot. We find exactly this chord many times in other piece