[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-24 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Who says I tune my guitar(s) at A440? I used this pitch in my analysis simply as a convenient reference point. But I don't think anybody would argue that a major third below A440 is an ideal historical pitch for guitars. MH --- On Tue, 23/11/10, jean-michel Catherinot

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-24 Thread Martyn Hodgson
Strad (or his sons?) did indeed leave notes which indicate the position of the octave and bourdon as you describe. And other evidence. But to your central question - it's very much chicken and egg: - did the octave on the basses (used like on the lute to brighten a muddy bass)

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-24 Thread jean-michel Catherinot
I only says that a minor third below 440 is the tuning indicated by Carbonchi (GCFAD), at a pitch of a=415. On instruments with a diapason of 69 cm (as Sellas...), it equals my stringing which is a tone higher (ADGHE) with a 63 cm SL.There is no impossibilty to use a g

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-24 Thread Monica Hall
I think the actual evidence from the time is minute - something in Stradivarius and ? at most a couple of other things? (Plus something much later? Merchi? - when the bass notes are unambiguously bass notes anyway). Rather surprisingly the one 17th century mention of this practice is in Ruiz

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-24 Thread Monica Hall
Thanks for clarifying that! I understand what you mean now. Monica - Original Message - From: jean-michel Catherinot jeanmichel.catheri...@yahoo.com To: Martyn Hodgson hodgsonmar...@yahoo.co.uk; Chris Despopoulos despopoulos_chr...@yahoo.com Cc: Vihuelalist vihuela@cs.dartmouth.edu

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-24 Thread Stuart Walsh
On 24/11/2010 12:54, Monica Hall wrote: Rather surprisingly the one 17th century mention of this practice [having the low note on the thumb side] is in Ruiz de Ribayaz's Luz y norte musical. It's astonishing really. Hundreds of guitar publications and MSS in the seventeenth century and

[VIHUELA] Aranies

2010-11-24 Thread Monica Hall
It is actual Nina Treadwell who mentions Aranies on p. 44 of her dissertation The chitarra spagnola and Italian monody. The point is that it is the voice parts which have to be transposed not that guitar must be pitched a 4th higher. She seems to have got the information from an

[VIHUELA] Re: Any b-guitar repertoire in all re-entrant accepted by all?

2010-11-24 Thread Monica Hall
It's astonishing really. Hundreds of guitar publications and MSS in the seventeenth century and just one mention of it. and yet everyone today uses this method of stringing with bourdons. The actual evidence is so slight. One possible reason why it is seldom mentioned is because the commonest

[VIHUELA] Re: guitar publications with harmonics

2010-11-24 Thread Monica Hall
You can. I have a recording of Olav Chris Henriksen playing the Campion fugue which has a short passage in harmonics and he is using the French tuning. He does it quite clearly. I think I have heard someone else do it as well. Can't remember. Monica - Original Message -