Re: SE/30 as webserver
At 15:25 -0800 12/12/05, Scott Baret wrote: My SE/30 server sits on a Mac II case with nomotherboard. Inside there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power supply and tie to the external SCSI port on the SE/30. I am curious as to how this huge external disk would work. I have a ton of old hard drives that don't have Macs to go wtih, so I may make something like this. Are they all wired together inside using SCSI cables? One SCSI cable, 50 conductor ribbon wire, with pressed-on 50 pin internal SCSIc connectors. One 50 pin external blue ribbon connector to use with a standard Apple SCSI cable from the SE/30. The last disk in the row has its terminators enabled and, of course, they all have different SCSI id's. Is the Mac II modified so that there is a bunch of SCSI ports sticking out the back? Just one; and actually it's just the ribbon cable passing through a hole once used for a NuBus card. I'm sure it flunks the US FCC class B test. The Mac II power supply needs a 5 volt pulse on one of its pins to start up so I have a push button switch and the equivalent of a PRAM battery (AA cells) in the box for that. I plug the SE/30 into what was the monitor connector on the power supply so that during a power failure the whole system shuts down and doesn't come back up until a human - me - decides that power is again stable. Alternately I have a 20SC case with a dead 5.25 drive inside so I guess I could stick two 3.5 drives in there. You do have to worry about the capability of the power supply. Newer disks use less power. Make sure they don't get too hot but hot is pretty normal for older disks. For system 7 you can also worry about the size of allocation blocks on disk partitions. Above a GB you probably want to set up partitions to avoid a whole lot of wasted space. -- -- The best programming tool is a soldering iron -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE/30 as webserver
At 7:54 AM + 12/12/05, Manuel Marques wrote: Hi everyone! I'm trying to put up my old working SE/30 as a web server. It currently runs System 7.5.1, has 8 Megs of RAM and a Farallon LAN card, connected to the PDS slot. I'm planning to connect it to my home network via a cable connected to my router/switch, and run MacHTTP in there. But there are still some questions: - Is there any FTP server program that I can use in order to pass my web pages and such via FTP from my PC to the SE/30? Let's say, I would write ftp 10.0.0.7 on the DOS prompt and it would connect to my SE/30 and pass the files; NetPresenz is both a Web and FTP server and will run on the SE/30. - My ISP has a dynamic IP. I've heard of No-IP, and DNS services, but how can I get the best one, free? I would like some explanations about this services, I don't know how they work; http://www.dyndns.com/services/dns/dyndns/ - Finally, what ports should I free in order that my users can access the SE/30? Only port 80? More? TCP port 80 is all you need. -- Clark Martin Redwood City, CA, USA Macintosh / Internet Consulting I'm a designated driver on the Information Super Highway -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE/30 as webserver
At 00:11 -0800 12/12/05, Clark Martin wrote: NetPresenz is both a Web and FTP server and will run on the SE/30. Working that way for almost a decade now. Mostly STP though. A web server will be pretty slow. TCP port 80 is all you need. Port 21, or nearly that, for FTP. But internally you won't have to worry about it. You will need to enable file sharing whether you use it or not on the SE/30. NetPresenz uses the users and groups system features to control access. The SE/30 will NOT share files with Mac OS 10.4 or higher. Apple has deliberately turned off AppleTalk over Ethernet. You can use Finder Go Connect to server to get to the SE/30 with FTP but file transfer will only be from the SE/30. UNIX ftp and curl will work OK. -- -- From the U S of A, the only socialist country that refuses to admit it. -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE/30 as webserver
At 9:22 AM -0700 12/12/05, Doug McNutt wrote: The SE/30 will NOT share files with Mac OS 10.4 or higher. Apple has deliberately turned off AppleTalk over Ethernet. It's worse than that. AppleTalk over Ethernet, which is available under OS X 10.3 and 10.2 if you root around in networking prefs to enable it, is only backwards-compatible with the AppleTalk of relatively recent classic operating systems. You cannot, for example, mount a MacOS 10.3 AppleTalk share on your System 6 Desktop, and I think this is true of System 7 and early MacOS 8 as well. (MacOS 8.6 can mount and be mounted by AppleTalk-on-OSX without having to be AppleShare-on-TCP-IP; likewise with MacOS 9). Dunno exactly where the cutoff point is, but I don't think a Mac SE/30 will have any overlap with Jaguar or Panther OS X for AppleTalk file sharing, i.e., the newest OS the SE/30 will run is too old to mount or be mounted by any flavor of OS X. -- Allan Hunter [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://members.bellatlantic.net/~adhdah/FmPro/fmdevindex.html -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE/30 as webserver
At 13:03 -0500 12/12/05, Allan Hunter wrote: Dunno exactly where the cutoff point is, but I don't think a Mac SE/30 will have any overlap with Jaguar or Panther OS X for AppleTalk file sharing, i.e., the newest OS the SE/30 will run is too old to mount or be mounted by any flavor of OS X. I am currently running OS 10.3.9 and communicating regularly, using AppleTalk over Ethernet, with an SE/30 running OS 7.5.3. I do make the connections using a command line script that uses mount_afp afp://AT/Saturn/Dione with a preestablished mount point directory in /Volumes. That was necessary in Jaguar but I think Finder can do it in Panther. It works not in Tiger. Open Door does offer Shareway which can be installed at the OS 7 level to allow connection using IP over Ethernet but the cost is more than the SE/30 is worth. As a webserver the SE/30 will be using IP anyway and that's OK in Tiger and a lot of other places. My SE/30 server sits on a Mac II case with no motherboard. Inside there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power supply and tie to the external SCSI port on the SE/30. NetPresenz allows Linux and peecees to put stuff up there for me. I backed out of Tiger because I like things the way they are. If AAPL wasn't doing so well I would be more pissed at Steve. -- -- As a citizen of the USA if you see a federal outlay expressed in $billion then multiply it by 4 to get your share in dollars. -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE/30 as webserver
My SE/30 server sits on a Mac II case with no motherboard. Inside there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power supply and tie to the external SCSI port on the SE/30. NetPresenz allows Linux and peecees to put stuff up there for me. I backed out of Tiger because I like things the way they are. If AAPL wasn't doing so well I would be more pissed at Steve. I am curious as to how this huge external disk would work. I have a ton of old hard drives that don't have Macs to go wtih, so I may make something like this. Are they all wired together inside using SCSI cables? Is the Mac II modified so that there is a bunch of SCSI ports sticking out the back? Alternately I have a 20SC case with a dead 5.25 drive inside so I guess I could stick two 3.5 drives in there. Scott --- Doug McNutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 13:03 -0500 12/12/05, Allan Hunter wrote: Dunno exactly where the cutoff point is, but I don't think a Mac SE/30 will have any overlap with Jaguar or Panther OS X for AppleTalk file sharing, i.e., the newest OS the SE/30 will run is too old to mount or be mounted by any flavor of OS X. I am currently running OS 10.3.9 and communicating regularly, using AppleTalk over Ethernet, with an SE/30 running OS 7.5.3. I do make the connections using a command line script that uses mount_afp afp://AT/Saturn/Dione with a preestablished mount point directory in /Volumes. That was necessary in Jaguar but I think Finder can do it in Panther. It works not in Tiger. Open Door does offer Shareway which can be installed at the OS 7 level to allow connection using IP over Ethernet but the cost is more than the SE/30 is worth. As a webserver the SE/30 will be using IP anyway and that's OK in Tiger and a lot of other places. My SE/30 server sits on a Mac II case with no motherboard. Inside there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power supply and tie to the external SCSI port on the SE/30. NetPresenz allows Linux and peecees to put stuff up there for me. I backed out of Tiger because I like things the way they are. If AAPL wasn't doing so well I would be more pissed at Steve. -- -- As a citizen of the USA if you see a federal outlay expressed in $billion then multiply it by 4 to get your share in dollars. -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
SE/30 as webserver
It's worse than that. AppleTalk over Ethernet, which is available under OS X 10.3 and 10.2 if you root around in networking prefs to enable it, is only backwards-compatible with the AppleTalk of relatively recent classic operating systems. You cannot, for example, mount a MacOS 10.3 AppleTalk share on your System 6 Desktop, and I think this is true of System 7 and early MacOS 8 as well. (MacOS 8.6 can mount and be mounted by AppleTalk-on-OSX without having to be AppleShare-on-TCP-IP; likewise with MacOS 9). Dunno exactly where the cutoff point is, but I don't think a Mac SE/30 will have any overlap with Jaguar or Panther OS X for AppleTalk file sharing, i.e., the newest OS the SE/30 will run is too old to mount or be mounted by any flavor of OS X. -- Allan Hunter At this moment ten members of my LAN (manually-assigned IP addresses) are happily exchanging signals (and files, at need). Some crowded desktops can result: 1400c/400MHz (OS 8.6) 540c (7.6.1) 540/117MHz (8.1) 9500/400MHz (9.1) Colour Classic (7.6.1) IIci/50MHz (7.5.5) LCII/Quadra 605 (8.1) iMac Indigo 500MHz (10.2.8) iMac Snow 500MHz (10.3.9) SE/30 (7.5.5) with nothing more than the AppleShare/AppleTalk/OT that is native to each OS, and two XNet 10/100Base-T switches and a D-Link modem-router to mediate. Careful configuration, but no rooting around, required. I haven't pressed any earlier System into the pool yet, but I have an Asanté EN/SC adapter loaded and cocked for the opportune moment (Classic/Classic II/PB 180). de -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
Re: SE/30 as webserver
Has anyone else had problems with NetPresenz being especially slow? I currently have a server set up at http://noderaser.no-ip.org/ , and it seems exceedingly slow. It's not my connection, it's that slow over LAN as well. On 12/12/05, Scott Baret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My SE/30 server sits on a Mac II case with no motherboard. Inside there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power supply and tie to the external SCSI port on the SE/30. NetPresenz allows Linux and peecees to put stuff up there for me. I backed out of Tiger because I like things the way they are. If AAPL wasn't doing so well I would be more pissed at Steve. I am curious as to how this huge external disk would work. I have a ton of old hard drives that don't have Macs to go wtih, so I may make something like this. Are they all wired together inside using SCSI cables? Is the Mac II modified so that there is a bunch of SCSI ports sticking out the back? Alternately I have a 20SC case with a dead 5.25 drive inside so I guess I could stick two 3.5 drives in there. Scott --- Doug McNutt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 13:03 -0500 12/12/05, Allan Hunter wrote: Dunno exactly where the cutoff point is, but I don't think a Mac SE/30 will have any overlap with Jaguar or Panther OS X for AppleTalk file sharing, i.e., the newest OS the SE/30 will run is too old to mount or be mounted by any flavor of OS X. I am currently running OS 10.3.9 and communicating regularly, using AppleTalk over Ethernet, with an SE/30 running OS 7.5.3. I do make the connections using a command line script that uses mount_afp afp://AT/Saturn/Dione with a preestablished mount point directory in /Volumes. That was necessary in Jaguar but I think Finder can do it in Panther. It works not in Tiger. Open Door does offer Shareway which can be installed at the OS 7 level to allow connection using IP over Ethernet but the cost is more than the SE/30 is worth. As a webserver the SE/30 will be using IP anyway and that's OK in Tiger and a lot of other places. My SE/30 server sits on a Mac II case with no motherboard. Inside there are four SCSI disks which use the MacII power supply and tie to the external SCSI port on the SE/30. NetPresenz allows Linux and peecees to put stuff up there for me. I backed out of Tiger because I like things the way they are. If AAPL wasn't doing so well I would be more pissed at Steve. -- -- As a citizen of the USA if you see a federal outlay expressed in $billion then multiply it by 4 to get your share in dollars. -- -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com
SE/30 as webserver
Hi everyone! I'm trying to put up my old working SE/30 as a web server. It currently runs System 7.5.1, has 8 Megs of RAM and a Farallon LAN card, connected to the PDS slot. I'm planning to connect it to my home network via a cable connected to my router/switch, and run MacHTTP in there. But there are still some questions: - Is there any FTP server program that I can use in order to pass my web pages and such via FTP from my PC to the SE/30? Let's say, I would write ftp 10.0.0.7 on the DOS prompt and it would connect to my SE/30 and pass the files; - My ISP has a dynamic IP. I've heard of No-IP, and DNS services, but how can I get the best one, free? I would like some explanations about this services, I don't know how they work; - Finally, what ports should I free in order that my users can access the SE/30? Only port 80? More? Thanks in advance, Manuel Marques http://manuelmarque.no.sapo.pt/ -- Vintage Macs is sponsored by http://lowendmac.com/ and... Small Dog Electronicshttp://www.smalldog.com | Enter To Win A | -- Canon PowerShot Digital Cameras start at $299 | Free iBook! | Support Low End Mac http://lowendmac.com/lists/support.html Vintage Macs list info: http://lowendmac.com/lists/vintagemacs.shtml -- AOL users, remove mailto:; Send list messages to: mailto:vintage.macs@mail.maclaunch.com To unsubscribe, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] For digest mode, email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subscription questions: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/vintage.macs%40mail.maclaunch.com/ iPod Accessories for Less at 1-800-iPOD.COM Fast Delivery, Low Price, Good Deal www.1800ipod.com
