Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread Jerry Westrick
Hello Zach... All your scenarios are valid. The program functionality COULD be perfect. What bothers us the conflict of Secure Communications with trust in someone who is paying lots of money for Internet band width to provide the service for no visible reason. I'm sorry, I just can't fit the 2

Re: vnc woes (Windows - Linux)

2005-03-03 Thread Yann Renard
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi. I'm trying to get a vnc connection going between a Windows-based vnc4 server at work and a (Debian) Linux-based xvnc4viewer client at home. Once enter the password the connection to the server on the Windows host is successfully established, but it dies immediately

[OFFTOPIC] RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Alex, I'm afraid the citation links seem to be broken (nat.html is missing), so it's difficult to see any of the supporting documentation for this. As it stands, UDP hole-punching fundamentally requires that your NAT router allow UDP traffic through, which is not something most good NAT

Re: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
In my implementation, I had to restrict what the users could get up to, but not too obtrusively. The ideal solution, and one which hides this tray icon naturally, was to hide the entire taskbar when my main application was started. This stops them mucking around on the PC while the program is

RE: vnc woes (Windows - Linux)

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
KJ, Connection rejected by user means that the VNC Server is configured to prompt the local user of the computer on which it is running to accept the connection. If they don't accept it, or if they explicitly reject it, you'll see this message. Regards, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. -Original

RE: Connectivity without Internet

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Yes. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Sajjan Singhania Sent: 03 March 2005 07:08 To: vnc-list@realvnc.com Subject: Connectivity without Internet Can I use Remote Access Software on my local network without any connectivity to

RE: vnc woes (Windows - Linux)

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Yann, Having a large desktop will NOT cause the message Connection rejected by user to be returned. Instead, you will usually get the (less helpful) Connection closed unexpectedly message, and an error in your Windows Application Event Log. The problem Yann is seeing will be resolved in VNC

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Mark, This sounds like A Very Bad Thing to do to a poor unsuspecting user, unless the application in question is some sort of Kiosk style of system. Cheers, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mark Jacobs Sent: 03

Re: vnc woes (Windows - Linux)

2005-03-03 Thread Yann Renard
James Weatherall wrote: Yann, Having a large desktop will NOT cause the message Connection rejected by user to be returned. Instead, you will usually get the (less helpful) Connection closed unexpectedly message, and an error in your Windows Application Event Log. The problem Yann is seeing will

Re: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread Mark Jacobs
How about a suspecting user? The system is a market research suite. It has an entry point which is a Main Menu of current projects, and this main menu is really all they are supposed to be using. The users sit in booths interviewing people for MR purposes, and the suite collates the data and

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread Pedro Hermida @ Hotmail
John, Can you tell what to look for in the registry to determine if it was hacked. Sadly, I was using 3.3.7 (guess) until recently. Now I'm on 4. Thanks -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 11:24 AM To: 'James Weatherall';

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Pedro, As I said earlier, VNC 4 does not have the vulnerability found in VNC 3.3 that allows the tray icon to be disabled. Regards, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. -Original Message- From: Pedro Hermida @ Hotmail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 03 March 2005 12:37 To: 'John Aldrich'; 'James

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread Pedro Hermida @ Hotmail
Dear John, I read what you said earlier and maybe I did not explain myself well enough. I was using a prior version, 3.3.X when a report came to me of an unusual PC mouse moves and keystrokes, file left open, etc. I took copies of registry and log files before upgrading to 4. If there is a way to

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread Rudi De Vos
NAT2NAT without port configuration is not that hard to implement. A nat router need to keep the udp ports open for a amount of time, unlike tcp that close on disconnect. Using a 3the server you can cross nat info and make a direct connection. It works for nat routers, it does NOT work if the

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Pedro, When John referred to hacking the registry, he just meant modifying it. You originally asked about how to hide the tray icon, but you say that you were using VNC 3.3.7 - are you saying that you were using it but without the tray icon visible? VNC 3.3.7 doesn't log anything very useful,

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2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Rudi, I notice that you keep referring to VNC as real. For future reference, please note that RealVNC Ltd. is the company that produces the VNC product. So the product is called VNC, not real. :) Cheers, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. ___ VNC-List mailing list

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread Steve Bostedor
I agree with Wez with some reservations. I've been in charge of large networks for over 10 years and I've seen my fair share of mischievous users. While I believe that it is unethical to spy on your users without just cause, there are some scenarios where the ability to hide the VNC icon is

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread Alex Pankratov
Jerry, We are NOT paying lots of money as we do NOT relay your traffic. It is p2p system, the bandwidth usage for us is under few megs a day. Can you fit this together under one hat ? Alex PS Sorry, James, I couldn't left this unanswered. Jerry Westrick wrote: Hello Zach... All your scenarios are

Re: [OFFTOPIC] RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread Alex Pankratov
James Weatherall wrote: Alex, I'm afraid the citation links seem to be broken (nat.html is missing), so it's difficult to see any of the supporting documentation for this. Works for me just fine, but here's a direct link anyway - http://www.brynosaurus.com/pub/net/p2pnat.pdf And

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-03 Thread John Aldrich
Pedro, Don't know if you got James' reply, but in VNC4 the registry hack doesn't work any more. -Original Message- From: Pedro Hermida @ Hotmail [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 7:37 AM To: 'John Aldrich'; 'James Weatherall'; vnc-list@realvnc.com Subject: RE:

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread Zach Dennis
Alex Pankratov wrote: Jerry, We are NOT paying lots of money as we do NOT relay your traffic. It is p2p system, the bandwidth usage for us is under few megs a day. Can you fit this together under one hat ? Alex, No need for the tone of your last sentence. I grasp what you are doing as I am sure

RE: [OFFTOPIC] RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Alex, Actually, as I said in previous mail, it's the citation links that are broken, not the link to the document itself. To summarise the hole-punching aspect of things, it's basically the case that msot NAT routers keep track of recent outbound UDP packets will allow incoming traffic

VNC Free Edition 4.1 released

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
RealVNC is pleased to announce the release of VNC Free Edition 4.1. VNC Free Edition 4.1 is a major overhaul of the previous VNC 4.0 release, benefitting from the significant stability and performance improvements made in the development of VNC Enterprise Edition

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2005-03-03 Thread Alejandro Celestino
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Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread John Kaufmann
At 050303 12:53 -0500, Zach Dennis wrote: Alex Pankratov wrote: Jerry, We are NOT paying lots of money as we do NOT relay your traffic. It is p2p system, the bandwidth usage for us is under few megs a day. Can you fit this together under one hat ? Alex, No need for the tone of your last sentence.

RE: Bug issue - viewer starting window location

2005-03-03 Thread James Weatherall
Paul, VNC Viewer Free Edition 4.1 attempts to center the window on the specified monitor (usually the primary monitor), and the clips the window to lay completely within the working area, i.e. within the area not covered by any toolbars, the taskbar etc. We did not see the problem you describe

RE: VNC Free Edition 4.1 released

2005-03-03 Thread Paul Haskew
Downloaded and installed... Thanks for the great program! -Paul -Original Message- From: James Weatherall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 11:01 AM To: vnc-list@realvnc.com; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: VNC Free Edition 4.1 released RealVNC is pleased to announce

RE: Bug issue - viewer starting window location

2005-03-03 Thread Paul Haskew
Ah, was not aware of that Thanks for fixing this though! -Paul -Original Message- From: James Weatherall [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 12:21 PM To: 'Paul Haskew' Subject: RE: Bug issue - viewer starting window location Paul, The reason for not using the

Re: [OFFTOPIC] A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-03 Thread Alex Pankratov
Zach Dennis wrote: Alex, No need for the tone of your last sentence. Ugh, yeah, I re-read it and it doesn't sound right. For that I apologize. But it does frustrate me a lot when people make bold statements without bothering to take a little time to read what has already been said on the subject

Re: Contacting RealVNC

2005-03-03 Thread William Hooper
Adam Erica said: Is there a way that I can contact the management or developers at RealVNC without using the list? I am thinking of an e-mail address or a form submission? http://www.realvnc.com/contact.html -- William Hooper ___ VNC-List mailing

VNC-type multi monitor application

2005-03-03 Thread Mcelhenney, Bryan
I've been in need of some software that sounds like it could be done using VNC code. I have 2 computers and a laptop at home for a total of 3 monitors. What I've been looking for is something such that when I drag a window off the left side of my middle monitor, it will appear as an independent

Re: VNC-type multi monitor application

2005-03-03 Thread JC
On Thu, Mar 03, 2005 at 03:15:51PM -0800, Mcelhenney, Bryan wrote: I've been in need of some software that sounds like it could be done using VNC code. I have 2 computers and a laptop at home for a total of 3 monitors. What I've been looking for is something such that when I drag a window off

vnc.so: undefined symbol: initStdIOLoggers__3rfbv

2005-03-03 Thread D L
Hi, As instructed by http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/x0.html I copied vnc.so to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so then added it to Modules: Section Module ... Load vnc EndSection But when I start X I get error: (II) LoadModule: vnc (II) Loading

vnc.so: undefined symbol: initStdIOLoggers__3rfbv

2005-03-03 Thread D L
Hi, As instructed by http://www.realvnc.com/products/free/4.1/x0.html I copied vnc.so to /usr/X11R6/lib/modules/extensions/vnc.so then added it to Modules: Section Module ... Load vnc EndSection But when I start X I get error: (II) LoadModule: vnc (II) Loading

vnc viewer on XP errors

2005-03-03 Thread ketki
hello I have a home network setup. with a windows 2000 desktop and a windows XP laptop connected through a netgear router. the laptop has wireless connection to the router. I have VNC server running at my work. and the tightVNC viewer running on desktop is able to connect fine, but the laptop

Re: [VNC-Announce] VNC Free Edition 4.1 released

2005-03-03 Thread Kevin Liao
RealVNC is pleased to announce the release of VNC Free Edition 4.1. Thanks for your effort to provide such a good tool! But I don't see any description about update for Java viewer in neither release notes nor download page. Does Java viewer keep the same with previous v4.0? Regards, Kevin

VNC - console window is not starting

2005-03-03 Thread Joe Philip
I installed vnc 3.3 r2 on Solaris 8 (SunFire v440) server. I edited the vncserver and xstartup script to start the vnc as a CDE. Vnc starts fine - however, when I try to start Terminal Console by Right Clicking Workspace Menu-Hosts-Terminal Console, nothing appears on the screen. Can someone help?

Re: vnc woes (Windows - Linux)

2005-03-03 Thread kynn
From: James Weatherall [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:45:00 - KJ, Connection rejected by user means that the VNC Server is configured to prompt the local user of the computer on which it is running to accept the connection. If they don't accept it, or if they

Re: VNC Free Edition 4.1 released

2005-03-03 Thread B. Scott Smith
Awesome! Are there any new Java sources as well? James Weatherall wrote: RealVNC is pleased to announce the release of VNC Free Edition 4.1. VNC Free Edition 4.1 is a major overhaul of the previous VNC 4.0 release, benefitting from the significant stability and performance improvements made in the