Re: VNC 4.0 on Soalris 8 with inetd

2005-03-02 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alasdair Ferro wrote: Hello, I hope you can help, as google et. al have proved unable to! I am running VNC4.0 on Solaris 8 (2/04), via inetd. My inetd.conf line is thus: vnc-1152x864x24 stream tcp nowait root /space/tools/bin/Xvnc Xvnc -inetd -query localhost -once -geometry 1152x864 -depth 24

Build vnc-4.0.8 in Federo 3 box

2005-03-02 Thread Tang He
Hi Anyone try to build vnc-4.0.8 in a Federo 3 box? I install the vnc-4.0.8 source code from Federo 3 distribution, and try to build the vnc server with xorg-x11-6.8.1-4 source files, which is disbributed with vnc-4.0.8 souce rpm. But the build failed in the final link step. I get many errors

RE: CPU overloading in WinVNC connecting to Linux box

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Nicholas, Check the task manager on your notebook to see what is causing the CPU usage. I'd bet it's kernel CPU usage (i.e. the CPU usage bar will mostly be red), and that it's caused by some sort of problem with your operating system drivers. VNC 4.0 and VNC 3.3.7 are completely different

RE: Java VNC Viewer - More than 256 Colors?

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Takahiro, The VNC Viewer for Java currently supports only 256 colours, for compatibility reasons. We do plan to add higher colour support in a future release. Note that this is a limitation of the Java Viewer only - native VNC Viewers for Windows, Linux etc support a full set of colour

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Pedro, No, this is not supported by the standard VNC releases, which are designed specifically to ensure that the local user is aware of their presence. Regards, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of phermi Sent: 01

Re: CPU overloading in WinVNC connecting to Linux box

2005-03-02 Thread Nicholas Keown
James, thank for the reply. The task causing the problem is vncviewer.exe, hogging between 50 and 70% of CPU constantly, causing overheating of my windows notebook. When I connect to a windows box, there is no problem. I thought it could be related to the polling etc on the linux box, and was

RE: CPU overloading in WinVNC connecting to Linux box

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Nicholas, VNC Viewer will only run when there are incoming updates to be processed. This will be the case if your remote desktop is changing rapidly, for example. VNC Viewer 3.3.7 will tend to consume more CPU, because it uses a less efficient method to draw the changes. Xvnc does not need to

Hamachi

2005-03-02 Thread ed
I'm very surprised to have only received one reply to the post about Hamachi. I would've thought that more users would have been able to fix their connection problems with it. Anyway, just for anyone interested in checking it out: http://hamachi.cc ___

Re: VNC 4.0 on Soalris 8 with inetd

2005-03-02 Thread Alasdair Ferro
CBee the rest of the list :-) I'd begun to wonder if it was a CDE issue. I've tried an Openwindows login, but that fails in the same way. I've googled for the warning, with no joy - any suggestions on something else to try? I'm very much feeling my way around Solaris, so do suggest things that

Re: Hamachi

2005-03-02 Thread Zach Dennis
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm very surprised to have only received one reply to the post about Hamachi. I would've thought that more users would have been able to fix their connection problems with it. Anyway, just for anyone interested in checking it out: http://hamachi.cc I'm interestd in it,

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Nick Kovats
My my... Perhaps...just what the RealVNC list needed. All the previous posts on port forwarding, sshconverged into a simple interface. Whilst I would assume the majority of users are not technically inclined and putty is a great front end, the difficulties of implementing the open source SSH

Waiting for VNC to work again.. the basics.

2005-03-02 Thread tbcbbq
Hi All, My friend had vnc working with adelphia cable and a cable modem and a dlink router on one machine and the other machine was hardwired with a nic and an RJ45 cable. All he did was to basically move the machine from one cable operator to another (the viewwer only-server is still in

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Bob Hartung
Since my last posting, I've been trying to play devil's advocate with this technology. I've been trying to imagine legitimate scenarios for using this technology in a business environment. So far, I haven't been able to do it. It still seems to be a technology whose primary purpose is to

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Rick Updegrove
Collins, Kevin (MindWorks) wrote: I looked at Hamachi after a mention of it on this list yesterday, and while it seems pretty cools, I have to ask: Am I the only one who has at least a slight distrust of using a mediation server in the middle of a secure connection? Maybe I just don't get it, or

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Zach Dennis
In fact, I am betting that I am not able to make a connection from work to home through our firewall. Anyone care to wager? No need to get cocky. It's all in how your firewall is setup. Most firewalls allow outgoing connections to occur, which allows you to create a bidirectional connection

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Zach Dennis
Bob Hartung wrote: Since my last posting, I've been trying to play devil's advocate with this technology. I've been trying to imagine legitimate scenarios for using this technology in a business environment. So far, I haven't been able to do it. It still seems to be a technology whose primary

Pass special keys directly to server?

2005-03-02 Thread Mike Miller
Is the Pass special keys directly to server functionality of VNCviewer not available when the client is running Windows 98? Using the same viewer on Windows 2000 and Windows 98, I find that it only works correctly on Windows 2000. Is this how it works, or am I doing something wrong? Mike --

Re: Waiting for VNC to work again.. the basics.

2005-03-02 Thread Steven D. Clark
From talking to the cable people they are telling me that the firewall is not allowing the connection. I also know that the machine is turned off most of the time and that could very well be the problem and that can be fixed. Are the cable people suggesting that they have a firewall that might

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Paul Haskew
Ed, You might want to check out this long thread about Hamachi. -Paul -Original Message- From: Zach Dennis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 7:30 AM To: vnc-list@realvnc.com Subject: Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread John Aldrich
If we're going to use something like that, why not use Kaboodle and the Get Engaged service that you can use for free? While they don't offer the source code for the server, they do make it available for the client. And according to their documents, the KaboodleProxy isn't actually part of the

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread John Aldrich
Alex: How is your app better than Kaboodle and their KaboodleProxy? They make the client source available and they even sell the proxy so you can run it on your own machine(s), which in my book, makes it a bit more trustworthy than having to trust someone else's machine. Granted the proxy is sold

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-02 Thread John Aldrich
One could always hack the registry to not show the icon at all. There've been several posts in various places I've seen discussing how to hide the tray icon altogether. But I agree with James -- VNC should not be used to snoop on people. -Original Message- From: James Weatherall

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Alex Pankratov
While H is primarily oriented on home users (gaming, data sharing, etc), the primarily business usage is a remote access and p2p connectivity between remote points. Zach listed some. And while those should be enough to get you on the track, I will give you another one. Say you have two sales

RE: Waiting for VNC to work again.. the basics.

2005-03-02 Thread John Aldrich
The public address is the IP address given to your cable modem by the cable company. The private IP address is the one that the router assigns, or you have manually assigned, such as 10.10.1.x or 192.168.1.x or 192.168.0.x. You need to make sure that 1) the IP of the vnc server machine is either

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Bob Hartung
In only one of your examples is the IT department involved. It that case, they could have accomplished the same as Hamachi by temporarily opening some ports in the firewall and forwarding them to her work computer. Or they could have e-mailed her the files she needed. In all your other

RE: Stealth Connections?

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
John, There is no way to hack the registry to not show the icon at all in VNC 4 and later. Regards, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. -Original Message- From: John Aldrich [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 02 March 2005 16:24 To: 'James Weatherall'; 'phermi'; vnc-list@realvnc.com Subject: RE:

RE: Pass special keys directly to server?

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Mike, Yes, that is correct. Windows 95/98 and Me lack the required operating system interfaces to implement that. The fact that it appears to be a valid option via the GUI is a bug (albeit a minor one) and the documentation should definitely mention that limitation. Thanks for spotting that!

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
What is your take on SHA1 being recently broken by Chinese researchers? As far as I understand it, it's a little premature to say that it's been broken. The research hasn't been published formally as yet but those in the know suggest that it's a method of producing pairs of strings with a

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Zach Dennis
Bob Hartung wrote: In only one of your examples is the IT department involved. It that case, they could have accomplished the same as Hamachi by temporarily opening some ports in the firewall and forwarding them to her work computer. Or they could have e-mailed her the files she needed. In all

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Alex Pankratov
http://www.kaboodle.org/KaboodleProxy.html says - .. to find and connect with each other, by enabling connections through an echoServer which most likely means that they are relaying traffic through a third node. This is so last century :) Hamachi is p2p and this would probably

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread John Aldrich
Ok. Interesting point about the third node... but I thought you needed a proxy server for Hamachi as well, no? In your first email to the list (that I have) you said: Mediation server is NOT in the middle of the connection. All it does is allows clients locate their peers and learn their

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Alex Pankratov
Nick Kovats wrote: What is your take on SHA1 being recently broken by Chinese researchers? My take would be like this - 'when I win a lottery I should no more be buying Bentleys with gold plated door handles, because they tend to get cold in a winter time'. Ie it's not a yet problem worth worrying

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Alex Pankratov
Khm .. I can't seem to find a description on how exactly GetEngaged works, so I will tell how Hamachi operates and leave it to you to compare it to Kaboodle. Say we have two clients A and B, and the server S. First A talks to S and S discovers A's location. Then B talks to S and S now knows B's

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal t e chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread John Aldrich
Interesting. Sounds like it *is* different from Kaboodle. Kaboodle's GetEngaged service is more like Gotomypc where you have a central server somewhere... Of course the server could be on your own LAN or somewhere else accessible. Both are very interesting to me. -Original Message- From:

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Scott C. Best
John: Heya. I know you didn't ask me, but as I'm the guy behind the Kaboodle and KaboodleProxy stuff, I thought I'd toss in my two coppers as well. When we started building the echoWare and echoServer stuff for Kaboodle, we initially looked at hole punching solutions such as what I

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal technique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Alex Pankratov
Hey Scott, Yes we do UDP hole punching, but the numbers given in the p2pnat paper are somewhat inaccurate. See my recent posts to p2p-hackers list for detailed statistics. To sum it up here - with around 2 unique IPs we saw so far we were successfully mediate 97% of requested tunnels. Which in

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal t e chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread B. Scott Smith
Well, I've got to say. I just don't get it. I can understand how a mediation server can help connect A to B if EITHER A OR B is behind a firewall. But I still don't see how it can work if BOTH A AND B are behind firewalls. If neither firewall allows incoming TCP connections (the standard config

RE: CPU overloading in WinVNC connecting to Linux box

2005-03-02 Thread Dave Dyer
I had a similar problem connecting to a mac running osxvnc; it turned out the culprit was a pulsating cursor on the mac, which was causing continuous changes on the mac screen. ___ VNC-List mailing list VNC-List@realvnc.com To remove yourself from the

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Alex, If the two ends of the connection are both behind NAT routers then, without configuring those routers in some way, its fundamentally impossible to connect from one to the other. So what is it that you are claiming your mediation server does that makes this possible? Wez @ RealVNC Ltd.

RE: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Alex, So, in fact, there is a degree of configuration required at at least one end (in order to allow the incoming connection through the NAT), and so this whole setup could be replaced by a dynamic DNS name for the server... :) Anyway guys, I think it's time this discussion moved elsewhere,

RE: CPU overloading in WinVNC connecting to Linux box

2005-03-02 Thread James Weatherall
Dave, A pulsating cursor shouldn't keep VNC Viewer noticably loaded at all! It should be a really pretty minimal amount of traffic, minimal update to the display, and unelss it's flashing incredibly quickly, not too fast either. Cheers, Wez @ RealVNC Ltd. -Original Message- From:

About dragging/dropping, copy/paste

2005-03-02 Thread Petter Gulbrandsen
Hi Is it possible to drag and drop from the VNC picture into the computer I use to se the other PC. Or we can called it copy, then paste.. Not very good in English, sorry for this... Best regard from Petter ___ VNC-List mailing list

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Kevin Doh
So on a side note, I was one of the people that actually DID give Hamachi a try in my company and I did get it to work. After configuring my firewall to allow port 11975 and all upd ports on one test machine I got a connection to my home computer with VNC! There was one slight problem

Re: About dragging/dropping, copy/paste

2005-03-02 Thread Angelo Sarto
copy paste is supported for the 'clipboard' that is if you copy some text to the clipboard on one computer it is on the clipboard of the other computer. so when you are connected the clipboard is synchronized. you cant move files in this manner, however. --Angelo On Wed, 2 Mar 2005

Fw: About dragging/dropping, copy/paste

2005-03-02 Thread Petter Gulbrandsen
Is it possible to get another explonation. I did not understand it.. Sorry for this Petter - Original Message - From: Angelo Sarto [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Petter Gulbrandsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: vnc-list@realvnc.com Sent: Thursday, March 03, 2005 1:14 AM Subject: Re: About

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Alex Pankratov
James, It is very much possible. See the paper Scott linked for the basic idea behind it (the idea is BTW few years old already) - http://www.brynosaurus.com/pub/net/p2pnat Alex James Weatherall wrote: Alex, If the two ends of the connection are both behind NAT routers then, without

Re: A simple, solid and stable P2P Bidirectional NAT Traversal te chnique for RealVNC users...

2005-03-02 Thread Alex Pankratov
James Weatherall wrote: Alex, So, in fact, there is a degree of configuration required at at least one end (in order to allow the incoming connection through the NAT), and so this whole setup could be replaced by a dynamic DNS name for the server... :) Anyway guys, I think it's time this

RE: Unexplained VNC behavior

2005-03-02 Thread Helwig Graham-A11558
Hello again, The source of the problem was finally found. VNC server was being invoked with XKEYSYMDB variable being set to /usr/lib/X11/XKeysymDB, it should of been set to /usr/openwin/lib/XKeysymDB. Once the correct path is used, then all of the keyboard and mouse related problems that I had

vnc woes (Windows - Linux)

2005-03-02 Thread kynn
Hi. I'm trying to get a vnc connection going between a Windows-based vnc4 server at work and a (Debian) Linux-based xvnc4viewer client at home. Once enter the password the connection to the server on the Windows host is successfully established, but it dies immediately with the error Connection

Connectivity without Internet

2005-03-02 Thread Sajjan Singhania
Can I use Remote Access Software on my local network without any connectivity to web ??? - Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web ___ VNC-List mailing list

Re: Connectivity without Internet

2005-03-02 Thread Peter Blakeley
Gidday Sajjan yes only way to admin computers on a lan Sajjan Singhania wrote: Can I use Remote Access Software on my local network without any connectivity to web ??? - Celebrate Yahoo!'s 10th Birthday! Yahoo! Netrospective: 100 Moments of the Web