[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
We are not talking about a practical device yet ;-) but I imagine you wouldn't draw the working fluid (not necessarily water) directly from the hot reservoir, you would use a heat exchanger rather, and you would be allowed to draw a thermal power equal to the difference between what the heat

[Vo]: Re: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
Charlie, Charlie, Charlie Brown (sorry couldn't resist), why don't you just try this scheme with a single resistor and diode in a good Faraday cage rather than spamming us with it regularly? Such a prototype wouldn't cost much compared to my Sterling engine + heat pump scheme ;-) Michel

Re: [Vo]: Re: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread Charles M. Brown
A single diode would produce the least power for the least overcome load. It is the hardest to measure and least productive. It can be done but is overly academic. Candidate abrasives for sandpaper can be tested by trying one grain but practical surface smoothing isn't done that way. I am

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles M. Brown wrote: The Johnson noise produced in resistors is A.C. which will have an average voltage of zero. A group of resistors will have act like one equivalent resistor. Diodes in consistent alignment parallel will conduct more Johnson noise current and less voltage when the

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
Well, not *totally* negative:-) http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/sitebuildercontent/sitebuilderfiles/final_report.txt On 3/5/07, Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 3/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't take this the wrong way, but I know with near 100%

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't take this the wrong way, but I know with near 100% confidence that a highly motivative person could get your research on the way within four months, top! In the mean time, you could be thinking of ways to do this on your own by means

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
Michel Jullian wrote, Sterling draws 1000W heat from hot reservoir (not necessarily water BTW) and outputs 150W mechanical. Heat pump draws 150W*9=1350W from ambient air and outputs them to the hot tank. Net power into the hot tank: 350W The figure of COP=9 may have occurred in print, or in

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Michel Jullian wrote: To Paul: stop the ad hominem. Michel Jullian wrote: Charlie, Charlie, Charlie Brown (sorry couldn't resist), why don't you just try this scheme with a single resistor and diode in a good Faraday cage rather than spamming us with it regularly? Terry Blanton wrote:

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread Charles M. Brown
Tom's results can be taken as not significantly positive rather than negative. A square array of 1,024 1N914 discrete diodes failed to produce a significant output to a well crafted instrument amplifier using good low power technique. The discrete diodes have low bandwidth compared to the ~1

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Charles M. Brown wrote: Tom's results can be taken as not significantly positive rather than negative. A square array of 1,024 1N914 discrete diodes failed to produce a significant output to a well crafted instrument amplifier using good low power technique. The discrete diodes have low

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Jones; You are right about the unit being in a lab, yet one must be careful as you say so you don't mix apples and oranges. A number of off the street products do claim COP's greater than the LOX production example, although one does indeed need to look farther than just a statement of COP. For

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2007-03-05 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
Charles Brown sez: I am looking for people that sincerely want to escape the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Seems there have been other recent claims just as provocative as Mr. Brown's that have been made here as well. Brown's statement, however, strikes me as one of the most curiously worded

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
Ron, For example the Jandy Model AE 2500 claims COP 5.4, while the Ice Breaker Model H100R is rated at 5.6 and its big brother at 6.1, or http://www.sortprice.com/search-CQ-Pool_and_Spa-Heat_Pump which all have claims of COP's that are higher. Wow, I had no idea that they were getting that

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
On 3/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please forward the details regarding that photo? Here's Tom's index: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/files/ Terry

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Steven Vincent Johnson wrote: Charles Brown sez: I am looking for people that sincerely want to escape the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Seems there have been other recent claims just as provocative as Mr. Brown's that have been made here as well. Brown's statement, however, strikes me

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Terry Blanton wrote: On 3/5/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you please forward the details regarding that photo? Here's Tom's index: http://mysite.verizon.net/vzesfls5/files/ Terry Thank you. The first document I read, Final Report, May 6, 2006 (text) said,

Re: [Vo]: Diode array 070304

2007-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I would encourage more people to work on this research, as such research is vitally important. Any highly motivated go-getter individual should be able to get something going within four months time. It might be worth adding -- given the confluence of overlapping

[Vo]: Bad email accounts

2007-03-05 Thread Steven Vincent Johnson
... BTW, those who reply to Steven Vincent Johnson's email please note the reply address in his email does not go to vortex-l@eskimo.com So basically you'll think the email went to everyone when in reality it would not. If you reply then you'll need to change the To: address to [EMAIL

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this, describing encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps, but I'll put an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to the group's thermodynamics skills, nothing against the two of you as I hope

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Michel; Being an old lazy man I have found that all efforts to separate the men from the boys, ends up in two subsets that don't equal the whole. :-) -Original Message- From: Michel Jullian [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 11:56 AM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject:

[Vo]: Naudin's conditioned resistors

2007-03-05 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hi, Has anyone replicated and studied Naudin's conditioned carbon resistors? Naudin's scope shots show the resistance is not linear relative to resistance current. That would be a very interesting effect to study. Regards, Paul Lowrance

[Vo]: New Carbon-based Life Form

2007-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
http://www.physorg.com/news91891899.html New graphene transistor promises life after death of silicon chip (image caption) Single-electron transistors carved entirely in a graphene sheet. The central elements are so-called quantum dots allowing electrons to flow one by one. The dots are

RE: [Vo]: Naudin's conditioned resistors

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
At first blush, I would wonder the effect as being a result of micro-fractures in the carbon structure. Increasing voltage would (could) change the current path and result in many different paths, additionally being impacted by thermal changes cased by the current flow. This experiment have many

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
I'll agree with Paul for once, LTSpice is truly excellent, not only free but also one of the most accurate and fastest Spice implementations around. A must have for anyone involved in EE. Graphical interface a bit surprising at first, but quite efficient when you get used to it. Can't vouch on

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
This guy puts his electrodes inside ping pong balls: http://bmiklos2000.freeweb.hu/unipolar.htm Terry On 3/3/07, Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unshackle and release the prisoner... 2W * 'kV/mm' * 'grams' = 2W * .9 * 10 = 18 W = 180 kW Harry Michel Jullian wrote: I will

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this, describing encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps, but I'll put an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to the group's thermodynamics skills, nothing against

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
Borbas believes like many amateur physicists before him that he has disproved the ion wind explanation, it's a long story he has been multiposting/spamming several dozens of mailing lists with his uninformed theory. He doesn't even realize that the air discharge implies an ion current, which

Re: [Vo]:

2007-03-05 Thread Harry Veeder
Charles Brown sez: I am looking for people that sincerely want to escape the Second Law of Thermodynamics. Out law the buying and selling of joules. Harry

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-05 Thread Paul Lowrance
Michel Jullian wrote: --- I'll agree with Paul for once, LTSpice is truly excellent, not only free but also one of the most accurate and fastest Spice implementations around. A must have for anyone involved in EE. Graphical interface a bit surprising at first, but quite efficient when you get

RE: [Vo]: Charles Brown sez

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Are you not one of the lucky ones!. I retired some three years ago to do pure research with the ideas I had but never had time to follow. Had a nice bank account that should have lasted until the end, but with scopes costing $kk.00 and on and on (you know), I now think I might join the crowd and

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Jones Beene
Michel Jullian wrote: My scheme simply can NOT work as I realized before I even posted it, because the absolute max efficiency of a heat pump, which depends only on the absolute temperatures of the hot and cold sources, is exactly equal to one over the absolute max efficiency of a heat engine

RE: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Stiffler Scientific
Jones; Why play with him, he is only learning to spread his wings? -Original Message- From: Jones Beene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 2:08 PM To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis) Michel Jullian wrote:

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-05 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: Borbas believes like many amateur physicists before him that he has disproved the ion wind explanation, it's a long story he has been multiposting/spamming several dozens of mailing lists with his uninformed theory. He doesn't even realize that the air discharge implies

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-05 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: P.S. Oh yes I had forgotten my promise to Harry below, my comment was that mv^2/r for the satellite can be thought of as a centrifugal force or as a centripetal acceleration times mass depending on the frame (it changes sign while going from the F side to the m*a side),

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-05 Thread Terry Blanton
But he seems to have installed it in a bell jar. Whence the ions? On 3/5/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Borbas believes like many amateur physicists before him that he has disproved the ion wind explanation, it's a long story he has been multiposting/spamming several dozens of

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
As far as I can tell he couldn't run below a certain pressure, ask him for more details if you're interested, I am not. Michel - Original Message - From: Terry Blanton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Monday, March 05, 2007 10:17 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-05 Thread Michel Jullian
Actually, Michel, no one was fooled Wrong Jones, at least one person was: myself, between the moment I imagined the scheme and the moment I realized it couldn't work :/ After that admittedly it was hard to sound convincing :) BTW your challenge/riddle beats me, can the thing be made OU after

Re: [Vo]: Re: lifter in a accelerating frame

2007-03-05 Thread Harry Veeder
On 3/5/07, Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Borbas believes like many amateur physicists before him that he has disproved the ion wind explanation, it's a long story he has been multiposting/spamming several dozens of mailing lists with his uninformed theory. He doesn't even realize

[Vo]: Ambient heat in power out

2007-03-05 Thread Charles M. Brown
On a nanometer scale thermal properties are not uniform even if the micro and larger scale temperature is uniform. There are emergent thermal gradients and differences on a nanometer scale scale. Therefore the Second Law is true but subverted if using nano meter scale differentiation is

[Vo]: Ambient IR lenses or mirrors

2007-03-05 Thread Charles M. Brown
I have not believed that mirrors or lenses could concentrate ambient IR because optical systems exchanges working angle for magnification, a situation that doesn't lend to preferential energy transfer. If experiments have worked anyway, please share the results. Aloha, Charlie

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-05 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
David Thomson wrote: End of discussion. You are irrational and brainwashed. Well that seems to end the discussion rather thoroughly.

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-05 Thread Harry Veeder
David Thomson wrote: If E=mc^2 is true, and mass is converted to energy during nuclear binding, nuclear fission reactions should create a vast cold implosion, not a vast hot explosion. It depends on where they are on the periodic table. Elements with an atomic number greater than iron will