[Vo]: Re: Ambient heat in, power out

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
Hi Charlie, There should be no 2LoT supporters or deniers in science, only people who think and are capable of admitting they may be wrong occasionally. What you and Paul say is true, at molecular scales there are indeed thermal gradients, bouncing basketballs as Paul calls them. I'll ask you

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
Harry is right of course. Have you never studied high school level nuclear physics David? Look up the atomic masses! Michel - Original Message - From: Harry Veeder [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 7:16 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

[Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Charles M. Brown
Feynman's ratchet used one sprung pawl on a ratchet wheel. The spring biases the pawl towards the ratchet wheel so mechanical pressure on the gentle slope of the ratchet wheel drives the wheel the wrong way where it can rest against the sharp or even overhanging slope. If the pawl is then

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread David Thomson
Hi Michel, Harry is right of course. Have you never studied high school level nuclear physics David? Look up the atomic masses! You are confused about your own gender, let alone can you follow a physics discussion. Dave

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Lowrance
Charles M. Brown wrote: On a nanometer scale thermal properties are not uniform even if the micro and larger scale temperature is uniform. There are emergent thermal gradients and differences on a nanometer scale scale. Therefore the Second Law is true but subverted if using nano meter scale

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: OK thanks Jones, Ron et al. I could have gone on and on like this, describing encouraging experimental results maybe, raising millions perhaps, but I'll put an end to my little joke, which was in reality a challenge to the group's thermodynamics skills, nothing against

Re: [Vo]: Ambient IR lenses or mirrors

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Lowrance
Charles M. Brown wrote: I have not believed that mirrors or lenses could concentrate ambient IR because optical systems exchanges working angle for magnification, a situation that doesn't lend to preferential energy transfer. If experiments have worked anyway, please share the results.

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-06 Thread Jones Beene
Stephen If there are violations of the second law waiting to be employed, I think we can be reasonably sure they won't use either heat pumps or heat engines as their prime movers. Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what you meant to say was: If there are violations of the

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Charles M. Brown wrote: Feynman's ratchet used one sprung pawl on a ratchet wheel. The spring biases the pawl towards the ratchet wheel so mechanical pressure on the gentle slope of the ratchet wheel drives the wheel the wrong way where it can rest against the sharp or even overhanging

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Lowrance
Charles M. Brown wrote: Feynman's ratchet used one sprung pawl on a ratchet wheel. The spring biases the pawl towards the ratchet wheel so mechanical pressure on the gentle slope of the ratchet wheel drives the wheel the wrong way where it can rest against the sharp or even overhanging slope.

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Lowrance
Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Charles M. Brown wrote: Feynman's ratchet used one sprung pawl on a ratchet wheel. The spring biases the pawl towards the ratchet wheel so mechanical pressure on the gentle slope of the ratchet wheel drives the wheel the wrong way where it can rest against the

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Michel Jullian wrote: I'll agree with Paul for once, LTSpice is truly excellent, not only free but also one of the most accurate and fastest Spice implementations around. A must have for anyone involved in EE. Graphical interface a bit surprising at first, but quite efficient when you get used

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Paul Lowrance wrote: Stephen A. Lawrence wrote: Charles M. Brown wrote: Feynman's ratchet used one sprung pawl on a ratchet wheel. The spring biases the pawl towards the ratchet wheel so mechanical pressure on the gentle slope of the ratchet wheel drives the wheel the wrong way

Re: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote: Stephen If there are violations of the second law waiting to be employed, I think we can be reasonably sure they won't use either heat pumps or heat engines as their prime movers. Not to put words in anyone's mouth, but I think what you meant to say was: If there are

Re: [Vo]: Ambient IR lenses or mirrors

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
Silly questions, have you made sure there was no heat source (such as yourself) in the room? Are the walls of the room at the same temperature as the air? Michel - Original Message - From: Paul Lowrance [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 3:40 PM

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
You're welcome, you'll find it here (ltspice/switchercad III) http://www.linear.com/company/software.jsp the help file is remarkable too BTW, and if you need a human's help there is a very helpful ltspice yahoogroup you can subscribe to. Michel - Original Message - From: Stephen A.

[Vo]: Re: nano 2LoT

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
You do this all the time, why do you ask? lol FWIW: I have the feeling your posts always come as new posts, when in fact it is sometimes clear from the context that they are replies. In such cases, if this is not deliberate, whatever your email software, I encourage you to use the reply

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
At first sight multiple pawls would seem to go around the bug in feynmann's original ratchet indeed, but it remains to be verified (a simple 80's video game like 2D simulation with classical bouncing balls in the two boxes might do the trick). Michel - Original Message - From:

[Vo]: lightballs on US Capitol

2007-03-06 Thread thomas malloy
Vortexians; Pat Bailey just sent me some emails. One proports to show a UFO landing on the US Capitol building, what I see is a ball of light. Then there is the upcoming C to C AM interview of Michael of www.theyfly.com . He mentions the website www.gaiaguys.net , which is weird by Thomas

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread Harry Veeder
David Thomson wrote: Hi Harry, If E=mc^2 is true, and mass is converted to energy during nuclear binding, nuclear fission reactions should create a vast cold implosion, not a vast hot explosion. It depends on where they are on the periodic table. Elements with an atomic number greater

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread David Thomson
Hi Harry, If E=mc^2 is true, and mass is converted to energy during nuclear binding, nuclear fission reactions should create a vast cold implosion, not a vast hot explosion. It depends on where they are on the periodic table. Another irrational argument. I know what fusion and fission

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
David Thomson wrote: Hi Harry, If E=mc^2 is true, and mass is converted to energy during nuclear binding, nuclear fission reactions should create a vast cold implosion, not a vast hot explosion. It depends on where they are on the periodic table. Another irrational argument. I know what

Re: [Vo]: Ambient IR lenses or mirrors

2007-03-06 Thread Paul Lowrance
Michel Jullian wrote: --- Silly questions, have you made sure there was no heat source (such as yourself) in the room? Are the walls of the room at the same temperature as the air? --- There's always the possibility, as those particular experiments were not meticulously performed. One of

[Vo]: Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles

2007-03-06 Thread DonW
Just found this on a Google News Alert for: Cold Fusion: http://www.springerlink.com/content/75p4572645025112/?p=36faf43185bd4180b239 1cb40c4031e7pi=1 -DonW- Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles. Journal Naturwissenschaften Publisher

RE: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread David Thomson
Hi Stephen, Why do these discussions always have to end like this? Excuse me. For the record, you accused me of having SR as my religion, after which I observed that cranks always seem to say that in relativity discussions, which is true. Go back and check the post. On March 5, after

[Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
Oh I forgot again, could a Jones readable Vo reply to this so he gets it? Thanks. Michel - Original Message - From: Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Sent: Tuesday, March 06, 2007 12:52 AM Subject: [Vo]: Re: Loop closed? (was Re: High efficiency electrolysis)

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Michel Jullian
Or, even more simply, _experiment_ with macro size bouncing balls and a macro size multiple pawl ratchet wheel, and shake the solidarized boxes randomly to see if you can get the axle between the two boxes to rotate consistently in the right direction. This should give a correct yes/no

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Charles M. Brown
Perhaps a stepped frame video where random numbers are used to select realistic alterations to the parts of a model between frames would be appropriate. Can I talk myself or anyone else into it? On Wed, 7 Mar 2007 02:16:51 +0100 Michel Jullian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Or, even more simply,

Re: [Vo]: Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles

2007-03-06 Thread Jones Beene
- Original Message From: DonW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just found this on a Google News Alert for: Cold Fusion: http://www.springerlink.com/content/75p4572645025112/?p=36faf43185bd4180b2391cb40c4031e7pi=1 This paper must be the same one, or an update of the same RD reported by Steve Krivit

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Sure enough, no apology. Too bad.

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
David Thomson wrote: Hi Stephen, [ ... ] You called me a crank in two different posts, now. Sigh... OK, you're right, at the very least I insinuated it pretty strongly... I shouldn't have done that. I'm sorry I called you a crank, and if you don't assert that my religion must be SR

Re: [Vo]: Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles

2007-03-06 Thread R.C.Macaulay
Jones wrote, However the main thing which may be new - or if not new, not well covered elsewhere --may be their model of the reaction based upon electron capture Howdy Jones, Never cease to be surprised at your insight. You may consider that some of your posts are most revealing which

RE: [Vo]: lightballs on US Capitol

2007-03-06 Thread Dean McGowan
Thomas, Please forward a copy to me Regards, Dean Original Message Follows From: thomas malloy [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: vortex-l@eskimo.com To: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]: lightballs on US Capitol Date: Tue, 06 Mar 2007 14:46:25 -0600 Vortexians; Pat Bailey just sent me

Re: [Vo]: Further evidence of nuclear reactions in the Pd/D lattice: emission of charged particles

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Jones Beene wrote: - Original Message From: DonW [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just found this on a Google News Alert for: Cold Fusion: http://www.springerlink.com/content/75p4572645025112/?p=36faf43185bd4180b2391cb40c4031e7pi=1 This paper must be the same one, or an update of the same RD

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread John Berry
The heart of the matter is this. Even is SR GR weren't flawed, even if there were no experiments which showed it to be incorrect (there are quite a few) it is still a fact that aether theory had no reason to be dropped as there is no evidence against a fluid aether (a stationary one is illogical

Re: [Vo]: Half full or half empty

2007-03-06 Thread Harry Veeder
David Thomson wrote: Hi Harry, If E=mc^2 is true, and mass is converted to energy during nuclear binding, nuclear fission reactions should create a vast cold implosion, not a vast hot explosion. It depends on where they are on the periodic table. Another irrational argument. I know

Re: [Vo]: Proof of capturing ambient temperature energy

2007-03-06 Thread Stephen A. Lawrence
Couple quick comments/questions... [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, This email will describe the simplest (as far as I know) method of capturing and storing ambient temperature energy. Hopefully those wanting to reply could first read the entire email since I'll address various possible

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Harry Veeder
Charles M. Brown wrote: Feynman's ratchet used one sprung pawl on a ratchet wheel. The spring biases the pawl towards the ratchet wheel so mechanical pressure on the gentle slope of the ratchet wheel drives the wheel the wrong way where it can rest against the sharp or even overhanging

Re: [Vo]: multiple pawl rotational rectification

2007-03-06 Thread Harry Veeder
Michel Jullian wrote: This should give a correct yes/no qualitative result shouldn't it? Michel Perhaps. ;-) Harry